Breaking: Bakhmut has been liberated to be called Artemovsk

[aziqbal]

People are talking as if there's still a city called Bakhmut when it's just a bunch of ruins like Marinka.

Russia already rebuilt Mariupol after Ukraine destroyed it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660125794365046785

 

[aziqbal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660349537498681351

Latest US casualty estimate:

Russia-230K with 50K killed
Ukraine-150K with 20K killed
42K civilians killed

can you post the number of Iraqi civilians which were killed due to the US invasion of Iraq?

then we can do a proper comparison

 

[LeGenD]

Russia already rebuilt Mariupol after Ukraine destroyed it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660125794365046785

Correction: Russia destroyed it.

Russia Probing Widespread Fraud in Mariupol Reconstruction - The Moscow Times

Tax incentives introduced by the Russian government for reconstructing occupied areas of Ukraine have provided large profits for the black market, The Moscow Times’ Russian service reported Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[aziqbal]

Correction: Russia destroyed it.

Russia Probing Widespread Fraud in Mariupol Reconstruction - The Moscow Times

Tax incentives introduced by the Russian government for reconstructing occupied areas of Ukraine have provided large profits for the black market, The Moscow Times’ Russian service reported Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

do the full story dont cherry pick

who told Ukraine to evict the Russian Black Sea fleet from Sevastopol

who invited a NATO parade in Kiev when Russians were giving warnings for 8 years

if Russian wanted to take the whole lot in 2014 they could have, Ukraine was much weaker and Russians were already deployed but they stopped after Crimea they didnt want this

NATO moved its border closer to Russia, Russia never moved closer to NATO

Russia also said they dont care about NATO border with Finland as Finland has never been part of Russian history

Ukraine is different, they were Russian long ago

the war is a result of a Russian response

 

[LeGenD]

do the full story dont cherry pick

who told Ukraine to evict the Russian Black Sea fleet from Sevastopol

who invited a NATO parade in Kiev when Russians were giving warnings for 8 years

if Russian wanted to take the whole lot in 2014 they could have, Ukraine was much weaker and Russians were already deployed but they stopped after Crimea they didnt want this

NATO moved its border closer to Russia, Russia never moved closer to NATO

Russia also said they dont care about NATO border with Finland as Finland has never been part of Russian history

Ukraine is different, they were Russian long ago

the war is a result of a Russian response

You claimed that Ukraine destroyed Maripul. I corrected you on this part.

The Battle of Mariupol is well-documented.

Nothing more; Nothing less.

 

[aziqbal]

You claimed that Ukraine destroyed Maripul. I corrected you on this part.

that is correct and I repeat

Ukraine destroyed Mariupol

dont provoke dont get destroyed

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Congrats to Russia. Next target please.

A rising Russia, is in Pakistan's interests.

There needs to be alternatives to USA.

 

[Meengla]

As I said, you are reading this war wrong. US is not the party of interest of this war, so, no, even if US withdraw their support, this war will NOT end, because EU would keep their support. EU, not US have the biggest pot in this game. They are the one that have EVERYTHING to lose if they can't keep it in Ukraine, because the alternative is the European would have to deal with the Russian themselves, ask any European, they would want to pay an eye and a leg to keep this war in Ukraine.

I am here in PDF as are you. You can screen cap this post of mine what I am saying: This is a war of choice by the Neo Cons sitting in Washington and will end if and when America decides to pull away. I am very much unsure about a a lot of things. Who am I , but just another PDF member here. But on the Ukraine-Russia war, I am sure that the instigators of the war are sitting as the Neo Cons in Washington and if and when America decides to pull away from the war, it will end.

But then you'd be too stubborn to admit that you were wrong. Living in Australia? A peripheral country of humanity. The real theater of humanity is Eurasia!! You are too isolated to know what's going on. You may know about military hardware etc but you suffer from some kind of 'tunnel vision' from the post I have seen of you. Your 'expertise' doesn't impress me: A Cardiac surgeon may be great about heart but won't be great about neurosurgery or even tooth extractions! Your 'credentials' don't impress me one bit.

Europeans are $ussies and sissies. They are NOTHING without the American military might! At least on that, Trump was right. You in Australia, Europe, Korea, NZ, Japan, Canada blah blah can Hee Haw all you want but you are nothing militarily without American support. You have trade advantages with America and you are afraid of the 'bad press' should you turn against America. That's why your sissy leaders march to the Neo Cons' orders. Your $ussy leaders who are leading you into another European war with the potential of nukes used if and when Putin is cornered. We, in America, will watch from a distance and eat popcorn!!

 

[dbc]

Congrats to Russia. Next target please.

congratulations indeed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660296610088189954

 

[jhungary]

The way things are heading China is going to lose the US and European Markets if NATO win in Ukraine. It would be just wishful thinking by the Chinese if they think the economic war isn't going to escalate and get worse for China. We are a few statements away from WW3 only a matter of time. Lots of money to be made in war and that's all the NEOCONs know and care about.

Well, most people here ask why China not helping Russia.

The question is actually what for? I mean would China gain anything from this war from risking their neck on Russia. There isn't any free lunch in the world. There have to be benefit for them to jump in. This is Russian territorial ambition, not China, unless Russia want to make it the territorial ambition of China. This is not going to happen, because Chinese have their own territorial ambition.

 

[jhungary]

I am here in PDF as are you. You can screen cap this post of mine what I am saying: This is a war of choice by the Neo Cons sitting in Washington and will end if and when America decides to pull away. I am very much unsure about a a lot of things. Who am I , but just another PDF member here. But on the Ukraine-Russia war, I am sure that the instigators of the war are sitting as the Neo Cons in Washington and if and when America decides to pull away from the war, it will end.

But then you'd be too stubborn to admit that you were wrong. Living in Australia? A peripheral country of humanity. The real theater of humanity is Eurasia!! You are too isolated to know what's going on. You may know about military hardware etc but you suffer from some kind of 'tunnel vision' from the post I have seen of you. Your 'expertise' doesn't impress me: A Cardiac surgeon may be great about heart but won't be great about neurosurgery or even tooth extractions! Your 'credentials' don't impress me one bit.

Europeans are $ussies and sissies. They are NOTHING without the American military might! At least on that, Trump was right. You in Australia, Europe, Korea, NZ, Japan, Canada blah blah can Hee Haw all you want but you are nothing militarily without American support. You have trade advantages with America and you are afraid of the 'bad press' should you turn against America. That's why your sissy leaders march to the Neo Cons' orders. Your $ussy leaders who are leading you into another European war with the potential of nukes used if and when Putin is cornered. We, in America, will watch from a distance and eat popcorn!!

Again, you are free to believe what you want to believe. As I said before, I am not your therapist, you don't need to tell me how you feel about anything, forum or not.

I don't see things with emotion, yes, I do support Ukraine in this, but that does not mean I cannot see things from both sides. I have listed why and exactly what the European do and more importantly, THE LENGHT the European ARE going to keep this war in Ukraine. Whether or not can they contain it is another matter, the point here is European would try everything they can to put this war outside their sphere of influence. Because the alternative for them is 10 times worse, you are talking about urgent mobilisation, urgent military reform, refugee crisis and so on. But judging from the way that Russian prosecute this war, their support alone probably is more than enough for the Ukrainian to deal with the Russian.

This war is not going to be Russian "Vietnam" because it's at this point, is already worse than Vietnam. The battlefield success is lacking, and they were being isolated in the world, everything set back around 30 years, this is all something didn't happen to the US during or after Vietnam. You can call whoever "sissy" and "pussy" that did not change the fact to the ground the Ukrainian is still going at the Russian even after minimal Western Support, they are going to fight, because that's what they choose in the first couple of days when Zelenskyy said give me ammo instead of giving me a ride, and since then the situation is better for Ukraine, because he made that statement when Russian are in Kherson, Russian are in Chernihiv, Russian are in Kharkiv, and Russian are 15 km away from Kyiv, that is all done BEFORE any western help was send, there were no Javelin, no HIMARS, no Patriot, no Leopard tank, no Bradley, no nothing from the west. Looking at the war now, what factors make you think they would give up now if they wouldn't give up then? And that's still we are talking about minimal NATO support, If we were talking about ISAF or Afghanistan, by now we would have already dumped 200 billion into this instead of meagre 60-70 billion.

And finally, the last guy doing this "Screenshot This" game on me is being laughed at and still being laughed on, I mean, if you want to be a part of it. That's you. I personally don't go for guts and glory on an anonymous forum. My interest is interpreting things and predict things.

 

[S10]

Should we believe these estimates?

I think the Russian casualties are believable, but Ukraine's casualties are understated.

 

[Meengla]

Again, you are free to believe what you want to believe. As I said before, I am not your therapist, you don't need to tell me how you feel about anything, forum or not.

I don't see things with emotion, yes, I do support Ukraine in this, but that does not mean I cannot see things from both sides. I have listed why and exactly what the European do and more importantly, THE LENGHT the European ARE going to keep this war in Ukraine. Whether or not can they contain it is another matter, the point here is European would try everything they can to put this war outside their sphere of influence. Because the alternative for them is 10 times worse, you are talking about urgent mobilisation, urgent military reform, refugee crisis and so on. But judging from the way that Russian prosecute this war, their support alone probably is more than enough for the Ukrainian to deal with the Russian.

This war is not going to be Russian "Vietnam" because it's at this point, is already worse than Vietnam. The battlefield success is lacking, and they were being isolated in the world, everything set back around 30 years, this is all something didn't happen to the US during or after Vietnam. You can call whoever "sissy" and "pussy" that did not change the fact to the ground the Ukrainian is still going at the Russian even after minimal Western Support, they are going to fight, because that's what they choose in the first couple of days when Zelenskyy said give me ammo instead of giving me a ride, and since then the situation is better for Ukraine, because he made that statement when Russian are in Kherson, Russian are in Chernihiv, Russian are in Kharkiv, and Russian are 15 km away from Kyiv, that is all done BEFORE any western help was send, there were no Javelin, no HIMARS, no Patriot, no Leopard tank, no Bradley, no nothing from the west. Looking at the war now, what factors make you think they would give up now if they wouldn't give up then? And that's still we are talking about minimal NATO support, If we were talking about ISAF or Afghanistan, by now we would have already dumped 200 billion into this instead of meagre 60-70 billion.

And finally, the last guy doing this "Screenshot This" game on me is being laughed at and still being laughed on, I mean, if you want to be a part of it. That's you. I personally don't go for guts and glory on an anonymous forum. My interest is interpreting things and predict things.

It will be be interesting to see how you will ever admit you were wrong about amplifying the European input on this war if and when the Americans decide to wind down this war. I repeat: Europeans are $ussies and sissies! You are nothing without us Americans when it comes to geopolitics!

There are already concerns in Ukraine about just the potential of the Republicans restricting funding for the war's funding. Let's not even go to 2024 elections because a Trump or Desantis as President will almost certainly and very quickly wrap up this war. But then what do YOU know?? Resident of a peripheral country like Australia! My advice: Listen to the Beltway insiders like Ray McGovern. Everything about this war is rooted in the Beltway politics and $$$$$!!

 

[khansaheeb]

Well, most people here ask why China not helping Russia.

The question is actually what for? I mean would China gain anything from this war from risking their neck on Russia. There isn't any free lunch in the world. There have to be benefit for them to jump in. This is Russian territorial ambition, not China, unless Russia want to make it the territorial ambition of China. This is not going to happen, because Chinese have their own territorial ambition.

It's plain to see China has global ambitions and want to topple US for pole position if not weaken US unipolar power status.

 

[ARMalik]

Ukraine soldiers have fallen back to Chasiv Yar. After rest and resupplies, Wager will go after them in Chasiv Yar. However, I would not be surprised if Kharkiv comes under attack this time around.