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Im not Hindu if that's what you're trying to imply :smitten:

tsk tsk not a very good way to market your religion, pretty low on tolerance

so whats your religion if not hindu, and if u have no religion then why bring zakir naiks comment on comparative religions??
 
No doubt he is a greate onstage live debater.many failed to disprove him because they didnt have all round knowledge. To debate on a subject like that you must know ancient arebic, language,culture, Different parts of science, etc. And onstage there is little time to refer or check the other ones claims, some points may go unnoticed, etc so it's heavyly on skills but in text written debate you have a better situation to find out the true and false. Check faith freedom org if you can avoid hate language and concentrate on arguements and counter arguements present their. Mr ali sina invited mr. Naik but he never accepted it. you can see conversation details between both parties.

Yes but a lot of people have background knowledge of these things- they ask so they want to convert. If they're still unsure, they sit down.

Zakir Naik probably didn't want to debate with another Muslim (I imagine Mr.Ali Sina is Shia- debates between Sunni and Shia topic would seriously cause a lot of hatred and it is not what Islam is about- sect vs sect always has bad results.)
 
I dont want to start on religion and science but any self-respecting human can not accept that he is evolved out of monkeys either

So your self-respect lets you accept that we are made of the same hydrocarbons that monkeys, pigs and snails are made from? If god wanted us to be special, why are we made of the same elements as all other biotic life?

one question is, imagine u make a robot feed it some information, the robot starts to manipulate the information, next days speaks up that, my creator is stupid, i was made by myself, then what will be your reaction??

That is between the creator and creation. Let god take care of her is he/she is offended. What gives other creations the authority to judge her?


Okay... explain the emergence of the universe from nothing...:hitwall:... that's science for ya. Regarding self-respect... I don't really care for that matter.

Tuahaa, the concept of Vishnu in Hinduism is that the universe started as a point and then exploded into the current state. That is what is now believed in science with the big bang theory. But do you see Hindus stating that our texts are scientific or the authority on science? Name one country that uses any of the religious books instead of physics, chemistry and biology in their curriculum. And then let us see the current state they are in, and you will see a correlation.

if darwin had believed otherwise they had believed the same crap, heil the west

If you want to prove it otherwise with evidence, and not just a "my religion says this - so it is what it is", I promise that I will believe you. And don't post some random youtube stuff which shows how religion concurs with science in one particular instance. It needs to be an objective debate.

i think reading too much high school science books while siting in your room will crap your mind out.

Valid point if your curriculum has been taken over by the religious zealots. But as long as it still follows the hypothesis-proof-theory-fact cycle, you should be fine.

Bro... Prophet Muhammad was illiterate. Studies of fossils, embrology and other science Qur'an speaks of now are only proven by modern science recently.

So good day.

You don't need to be literate for hearsay knowledge. It was probably a popular belief back then. Most religions are exactly that - making people aware of social customs, and using religion to drive home certain "moral of the story". The instrument of "god" is just to bring a certain level of authority to the text. Unfortunately, people in power (read: priests etc.) who were so full of the religious texts and had no other standing in society, made religion non-negotiable so they can retain their power and make other people follow whatever they say.

He quotes their books (e.g. Bhagavat Geeta in hinduism) and has knowledge of other religions.

The Geeta is not a standalone book. To understand the "science" in Hinduism, you need to have knowledge of the Vedas. Zakir Naik might have some idea of the Geeta, but certainly has no knowledge of the 4 books.

he meant as islam teaches us that cow is not god and its urine not divine hence every body knows its true while hindu books say cow is god which is ofcourse false..

Where is the logic in that argument? We can accept your belief if you say it is only your faith. But if you get into "right vs wrong", it can get into weird territory. Doesn't that show how faith is so intolerant, while science is exactly the opposite?
 
Yes but a lot of people have background knowledge of these things- they ask so they want to convert. If they're still unsure, they sit down.

Zakir Naik probably didn't want to debate with another Muslim (I imagine Mr.Ali Sina is Shia- debates between Sunni and Shia topic would seriously cause a lot of hatred and it is not what Islam is about- sect vs sect always has bad results.)

What ever he was is past..he is not a muslim now. And the debate was not about shia vs sunni
 
That is between the creator and creation. Let god take care of her is he/she is offended. What gives other creations the authority to judge her?




Tuahaa, the concept of Vishnu in Hinduism is that the universe started as a point and then exploded into the current state. That is what is now believed in science with the big bang theory. But do you see Hindus stating that our texts are scientific or the authority on science? Name one country that uses any of the religious books instead of physics, chemistry and biology in their curriculum. And then let us see the current state they are in, and you will see a correlation.

Of course- you should be proud as a Hindu that your religious says such things. After seeing Zakir Naik's lectures (yes, I am referring to him again), he does refer to Hindu text a lot to relate it to Islam (no intention to offend again, but a lot of his audience are Hindu and a lot convert so its natural he uses these links)- so I will believe that Hinduism may have, at its very roots, may have a bit to do with the Abrahamic religions.

Also, I made the distinction between science books and religious books very clear earlier. Science books are to teach science, Qur'an has some mentions of science to prove its point to later generations which will put a lot of emphasis on these things. I think I can safely say Zakir Naik wouldn't have made half the conversions that he has without referring to science in the Qur'an.

No country uses Qur'an as a science book; it uses science books as science books, and Muslim countries and all Muslims view Qur'an as a book of guidance. Furthermore, as a further guidance for Muslims, Qur'an puts a lot of emphasis on knowledge so that we may thrive- Muslims are lacking behind a lot because they're not following this. During the Islamic golden age, a lot of very important scientific discoveries and inventions were made by the Arabs, Turks and the Persians of the once-great Islamic empire. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

If you want to prove it otherwise with evidence, and not just a "my religion says this - so it is what it is", I promise that I will believe you. And don't post some random youtube stuff which shows how religion concurs with science in one particular instance. It needs to be an objective debate.

I had this debate on another thread and I quoted verses from the Qur'an about science and gave explanations from my own words... but not successfully, it didn't seem to get across properly

Valid point if your curriculum has been taken over by the religious zealots. But as long as it still follows the hypothesis-proof-theory-fact cycle, you should be fine.



You don't need to be literate for hearsay knowledge. It was probably a popular belief back then. Most religions are exactly that - making people aware of social customs, and using religion to drive home certain "moral of the story". The instrument of "god" is just to bring a certain level of authority to the text. Unfortunately, people in power (read: priests etc.) who were so full of the religious texts and had no other standing in society, made religion non-negotiable so they can retain their power and make other people follow whatever they said.

Yes, (no offense to Christians), priests back then 'edited' their books to get power. Muslims have no figure to speak for them- Imams are just volunteer community workers and prayer leaders, but they aren't representatives of our religion.

The Geeta is not a standalone book. To understand the "science" in Hinduism, you need to have knowledge of the Vedas. Zakir Naik might have some idea of the Geeta, but certainly has no knowledge of the 4 books.

He quoted other Hindu books too when I was at his lecture...

Where is the logic in that argument? We can accept your belief if you say it is only your faith. But if you get into "right vs wrong", it can get into weird territory. Doesn't that show how faith is so intolerant, while science is exactly the opposite?

No offense meant, but he might be trolling a bit.

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What ever he was is past..he is not a muslim now. And the debate was not about shia vs sunni

Ali = Muslim name, see history of Islam

Sina = not uncommon Iranian name, I think- I am assume he's Shia. I'm probably wrong, but no doubt he's a Muslim...
 
Dude... I'm happy to debate in other threads, but I hate making other threads because;

1. Too much time lost. I'm a 15 year old and studying is getting more and more demanding.

Never mind than.. No wonder i was wasting to many brain cells.. we'll have this conversation again when you graduate from a good University and understand how scholarly work goes... Now i hate Zakir Naik even more for brain washing teenagers
 
Never mind than.. No wonder i was wasting to many brain cells.. we'll have this conversation again when you graduate from a good University and understand how scholarly work goes... Now i hate Zakir Naik even more for brain washing teenagers

Of course... roll out of this debate because of my age :rolleyes:... easier on both of us, we 'waste' less time.

Anyway, hate Zakir Naik as much as you can, he's the most popular Muslim speaker between muslims and non-muslims- and did I say he's converted a lot of people in front of my own eyes?
 
@tuahaa
he left islam so what ever he was is a past.

Well then, I have no idea why he rolled out... email him :P

Though he had a good debate with a Christian scholar...

I don't wanna debate this topic anymore, it's getting boring, so if you have questions about anything, PM is good ;)
 
Ooopss sorry i entered into wrong thread,thought its Boy has Arabic script from the Koran appear on skin one:rolleyes:
 
During the Islamic golden age, a lot of very important scientific discoveries and inventions were made by the Arabs, Turks and the Persians of the once-great Islamic empire. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Who says Muslims are incapable of scientific discoveries and inventions? Just that the Quran cannot be a non-negotiable scientific document. Did you read anywhere that the Persians, Turks and Arabs used the Quran to achieve what they did? To give you an analogy, does America's technological prowess mean everything in the Bible is scientific?
 
Who says Muslims are incapable of scientific discoveries and inventions? Just that the Quran cannot be a non-negotiable scientific document. Did you read anywhere that the Persians, Turks and Arabs used the Quran to achieve what they did? To give you an analogy, does America's technological prowess mean everything in the Bible is scientific?

No, it was just a push that science is important to get ahead.

Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an say many times that Muslims should continue to gain knowledge so that they stay ahead and understand why we follow what we follow (though that's not the topic! I think this should be locked, I keep coming back to it!)
 
No, it was just a push that science is important to get ahead.

Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an say many times that Muslims should continue to gain knowledge so that they stay ahead and understand why we follow what we follow (though that's not the topic! I think this should be locked, I keep coming back to it!)

Fair enough, but that is not even the point we are discussing. Religion can be useful to bring in an attitude of dedication and progress among its people. But here it is about religion and holy books having any scientific standing.
 
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