Bosnia is running out of people!!

[bosanski vojnik]

Exactly the collapse of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia was a disaster when they were one country their birth rates were stable Ceausescu Romania had the highest birthrate in Europe Post WW2,besides Hoxha Albania,Bosnia isnt really in the western block it's still stumbling block Partially controlled by Serbs in Republika Srpska and EU imposed puppet state in Sarajevo then again not fond of the Serbs tbh but frankly all thse countries were better under Yugoslavia

Collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact was by design so that those states would fall, be introduced into the globalist fiat system which is based on immorality and integrate to the western economic system which led to inevitable brain drain as those countries stood no chance to keep up with the established Western Powers.

Can your average Romanian really say he has a better life now than in the 1980s? I mean outside of low skilled work and prostitution what are they really known for? I'm pointing this out because it's sad as Romania is a big country geographically and if it was not a puppet state of EU it could have been Balkan Superpower #2 after Turkey.

Romania under Ceausescu also paid off all of it's IMF debt. In all honesty Ceausescu was hit the hardest. Romania had a policy that was hostile to both the west and the Soviet Union (although it was their primary military supplier). I can see parallels between the Wests treatment of Erdogan and Ceausescu as both leaders want to forge an independent path for their countries and are kinda stuck between the West and their Lies as well as Russia. With the Russians lately being involved as a military supplier to Turkey.

 

[dBSPL]

On a positive note. Sarajevo has risen from the ashes and so has Bosnia

Downtown Business District

Walk around the old town

Another beautiful city Mostar

Here is Tuzla (3rd largest city)

Here is Zenica ( 5th largest city)

Here is Banja Luka (2nd largest city)

And this one for extra credit haha, one of my favorite towns in Bosnia (Konjic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9HtNsyHCU

Maybe Bosnia has never been the main center of a great empire but just like many centers in history, it has become a wonderful country where cultures cross and create their own synthesis over nation's unique features.

Bosnia is definitely a hidden gem in the middle of Europe. Like a snowdrop flower, it continues to show its beauty despite all the difficulties and pain. Always friendly people, amazing nature and historical texture... And almost every stone in the cities has a touching story worth learning and remembering. Along with these historical backgrounds , untouched nature and people who continue to keep their culture alive, keeps Bosnia's identity alive .

 

[Constantin84]

Collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact was by design so that those states would fall, be introduced into the globalist fiat system which is based on immorality and integrate to the western economic system which led to inevitable brain drain as those countries stood no chance to keep up with the established Western Powers.

Can your average Romanian really say he has a better life now than in the 1980s? I mean outside of low skilled work and prostitution what are they really known for? I'm pointing this out because it's sad as Romania is a big country geographically and if it was not a puppet state of EU it could have been Balkan Superpower #2 after Turkey.

Romania under Ceausescu also paid off all of it's IMF debt. In all honesty Ceausescu was hit the hardest. Romania had a policy that was hostile to both the west and the Soviet Union (although it was their primary military supplier). I can see parallels between the Wests treatment of Erdogan and Ceausescu as both leaders want to forge an independent path for their countries and are kinda stuck between the West and their Lies as well as Russia. With the Russians lately being involved as a military supplier to Turkey.

Yes, economically speaking, the average Romanian has a better life now than in the 80s.Ceausescu had some right ideeas up until the beginning of the 80s.It went down hill afterwards because he went full North Korea on the country.
I'm sorry that you know Romania only for the reasons above but a single Google will tell you that, for example,Romania's exports stand somewhere at half of Turkey but with less than a quarter of the population. Could Romania be a much better country today,,? Ofcourse, but that has more to do with the country's management after 1990 than ousting Ceausescu. He had to go.

 

[xenon54 out]

I'm sorry that you know Romania only for the reasons above but a single Google will tell you that, for example,Romania's exports stand somewhere at half of Turkey but with less than a quarter of the population.

The share of export in total GDP is 41% in Romania while its 29% in Turkey, export numbers alone dont say anything about standart of living or wealth in a country even thought its an important factor for sure.
A better indicator is GDP per capita, while Turkey declined in nominal number due to weak lira its GDP PPP is growing relatively stable.
Booth countries have a GDP PPP of about 28k, this is a much better indicator for country comparisons regarding living standarts.

 

[Constantin84]

The share of export in total GDP is 41% in Romania while its 29% in Turkey, export numbers alone dont say anything about standart of living or wealth in a country even thought its an important factor for sure.
A better indicator is GDP per capita, while Turkey declined in nominal number due to weak lira its GDP PPP is growing relatively stable.
Booth countries have a GDP PPP of about 28k, this is a much better indicator for country comparisons regarding living standarts.

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I can agree with that. Not that export or GDP numbers are great for either country, well below the true potential, for sure but still....a far cry from the ideea of a exporter of whatever @bosanski vojnik knows Romania for.

 

[vostok]

The answer to population decline is much more complex than just a ''unstable socieity'' each country has its own unique reasons for declining birth rates.
France as a Western country has a higher birthrate than Russia and China for exsample, you cant just generalize it and find a scapegoat for it.

France good birthrate is good mostly due to non-French people so I really doubt it is something good. You can check population of Eastern European countries before 1991 and after 1991 and you will see catastrophic decline, in some countries worse then WW2.

 

[xenon54 out]

France good birthrate is good mostly due to non-French people so I really doubt it is something good. You can check population of Eastern European countries before 1991 and after 1991 and you will see catastrophic decline, in some countries worse then WW2.

Why is that something bad?

 

[vostok]

Why is that something bad?

Because it will not be France anymore.

 

[xenon54 out]

Because it will not be France anymore.

But it will be better with a declining population?
If you think that Europe and America allow immigration just because of being ''liberal'' or some BS then you are naive, its purely economic interests.
The biggest challenge the nations nowadays face are climate change and declining population, you dont fix either of this then you are doomed simple as that.

 

[vostok]

But it will be better with a declining population?
If you think that Europe and America allow immigration just because of being ''liberal'' or some BS then you are naive, its purely economic interests.
The biggest challenge the nations nowadays face are climate change and declining population, you dont fix either of this then you are doomed simple as that.

Yes it will be better with declining population because then you have at least small chances politicians will make something to change the trend. In other case you will have depopulation and death of the state sooner or later.

 

[xenon54 out]

Yes it will be better with declining population because then you have at least small chances politicians will make something to change the trend. In other case you will have depopulation and death of the state sooner or later.

Look at China, if there is something the politicians cant change then its the breeding habit of people...

 

[bosanski vojnik]

Yes, economically speaking, the average Romanian has a better life now than in the 80s.Ceausescu had some right ideeas up until the beginning of the 80s.It went down hill afterwards because he went full North Korea on the country.
I'm sorry that you know Romania only for the reasons above but a single Google will tell you that, for example,Romania's exports stand somewhere at half of Turkey but with less than a quarter of the population. Could Romania be a much better country today,,? Ofcourse, but that has more to do with the country's management after 1990 than ousting Ceausescu. He had to go.

In what way does a Romanian have a better life now?

That he can graduate from university then easily migrate to UK & Germany and work as a a toilet cleaner or a prostitute?

Under Ceausescu the Romanians had paid off their IMF debt, National industries would have eventually grown in the 90s (especially petrochemical) and the strong family unit would result in more kids, bigger population and a more chance for economic growth.

I'm sorry you have to be kidding me if you think that Romania is not known for cheap labour and prostitution. I have worked with Romanians before and sadly it is a big issue amongst your people. In places like Germany, UK, Netherlands their are plenty of instances where the local population have complained about Romanians taking low skilled jobs and bringing prostitution to their community.

I know that Romania is known for more than that I am not stupid. But unfortunately a large section of your population has not benefited from collapse of communism and have just left for the west to become economic slaves.

Had Romania forged an independent path outside of the EU I honestly think your country would be better off right now but unfortunately most Balkan countries have stupid leaders with inferior attitude and want to be suck ups to the EU and if not them then Russia. Only Tito and Ceausescu where leaders with balls hence why they where treated with respect by major world powers.

Not really limited to Bosnia.It's the same situation in every country in the region except Greece.
Every other country has the same demographic issues with Bulgaria being number one,followed by Romania and then all the others.

There is a wide range of agricultural land that can be cultivated if people had the will to do it. Instead the defeatist attitude of the local population who would rather work as wage slaves in Germany than make money growing crops and raising livestock.

honestly Germany in my opinion is the most disgusting NWO country in Europe when you look at their politics of importing refugees and wage slaves which is leading to the destabilisation of whole nations in Eastern Europe.

 

[Constantin84]

In what way does a Romanian have a better life now?

That he can graduate from university then easily migrate to UK & Germany and work as a a toilet cleaner or a prostitute?

Under Ceausescu the Romanians had paid off their IMF debt, National industries would have eventually grown in the 90s (especially petrochemical) and the strong family unit would result in more kids, bigger population and a more chance for economic growth.

I'm sorry you have to be kidding me if you think that Romania is not known for cheap labour and prostitution. I have worked with Romanians before and sadly it is a big issue amongst your people. In places like Germany, UK, Netherlands their are plenty of instances where the local population have complained about Romanians taking low skilled jobs and bringing prostitution to their community.

I know that Romania is known for more than that I am not stupid. But unfortunately a large section of your population has not benefited from collapse of communism and have just left for the west to become economic slaves.

Had Romania forged an independent path outside of the EU I honestly think your country would be better off right now but unfortunately most Balkan countries have stupid leaders with inferior attitude and want to be suck ups to the EU and if not them then Russia. Only Tito and Ceausescu where leaders with balls hence why they where treated with respect by major world powers.



There is a wide range of agricultural land that can be cultivated if people had the will to do it. Instead the defeatist attitude of the local population who would rather work as wage slaves in Germany than make money growing crops and raising livestock.

honestly Germany in my opinion is the most disgusting NWO country in Europe when you look at their politics of importing refugees and wage slaves which is leading to the destabilisation of whole nations in Eastern Europe.

Buddy,I work in human resources in the UK, with mostly Romanian workers. People who pick up fruits in Romania will pick fruits in the UK, waiters in Romania will be waitering in the UK, nurses in Romania will be nurses in the UK,doctors in Romania will be doctors in the UK.
..and so on, and so forth.
Ceausescu was a megalomaniac who starved his people, Romanians in 1989 had it bad even for EE communist standards, we became a North Korea style country.
Am I happy with country today? No.I agree there's a severe brain drain and a whole of other problems but under no circumstances staying under an illiterate peasant like Ceausescu would have been a solution.

I'm sorry that you see Romania in such dark lenses,but if Romania is so bad....what about Bosnia? As downright awfull Romania has double the GDP per capita in nominal and PPP than Bosnia?

 

[Damir877]

There is a wide range of agricultural land that can be cultivated if people had the will to do it. Instead the defeatist attitude of the local population who would rather work as wage slaves in Germany than make money growing crops and raising livestock.

honestly Germany in my opinion is the most disgusting NWO country in Europe when you look at their politics of importing refugees and wage slaves which is leading to the destabilisation of whole nations in Eastern Europe.

Good luck trying to convince today's youth in any Balkan country to go grow crops and raise livestock,even people from the rural areas are moving to towns and starting to spend more and more time in restaurants and coffee bars doing nothing all day.

As far as Germany I don't see anything wrong with that,they need workers and people from this area obviously want to go to work and live there.It's not like the Germans are forcing anyone at gunpoint to go to their country and be a "slave".

Whether that is a right choice or not,that's for each person do decide individually.

 

[Elvin]

Here we can see the most recent birth rates by country. It corresponds with the human development index, and where there is higher development, there is lower birth rates. With the exception of France, where most of the birth rate is fueled by immigrants.