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Bosnia is running out of people!!

It was a shit show supported by both the west and Russis to tear Yugoslavia apart and they did it made them like fiefdoms



Russia had issues but when it comes to breakup of Yugoslavia you guys were also in involved in carving it up
Nobody tore apart the yugoslav, but the power hungry Serbs.

It was the serbs that went ape shit. Rhe croats followed.

And both massacred the Bosnians due to their historic hatred for them.
 
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It was a shit show supported by both the west and Russis to tear Yugoslavia apart and they did it made them like fiefdoms



Russia had issues but when it comes to breakup of Yugoslavia you guys were also in involved in carving it up
It is West who carved it up, because united Yugoslavia could be competitor for European countries and powerful Russian ally. West was very pleased to help traitors to tear all countries they could - USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia. You can not blame Russia for that. It was our block and while we were in power those countries were fine.
Devide et impere - good old Roman tradition inherited by Western empires. It real politic based on economics and geopolitics. Nothing personal, but competitors must be destroyed.
 
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It is West who carved it up, because united Yugoslavia could be competitor for European countries and powerful Russian ally. West was very pleased to help traitors to tear all countries they could - USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia. You can not blame Russia for that. It was our block and whole we were in power those countries were fine.

Perhaps this the mainstream Russian perspective but let's look back Tito when he was leader took Yugoslavia in a different direction he wasnt that privy to being a Soviet puppet state and was wary of Stalin I mean Yugoslavia even at one point viewed the USSR as a threat and was neutral and part of the Non Alligned Movement what I am saying all the countries involved wanted a piece Russia got Serbia as an Ally West got Croatia,Montenegro,Kosovo,Slovenia as allies piece of Bosnia Turks got influence sort of in the Balkans vis Kosovo and Bosnia all of these destroyed Yugoslavia

Nobody tore apart the yugoslav, but the power hungry Serbs.

It was the serbs that went ape shit. Rhe croats followed.

And both massacred the Bosnians due to their historic hatred for them.

And where did these Serbian and Croatian ultra nationalists exist during the Tito era abroad mainly in Germany and In the US besides Bosnians,Croats,Serbs are South Slavic way more homogeneous there were external factors that lead to that tragedy
 
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Perhaps this the mainstream Russian perspective but let's look back Tito when he was leader took Yugoslavia in a different direction he wasnt that privy to being a Soviet puppet state and was wary of Stalin I mean Yugoslavia even at one point viewed the USSR as a threat and was neutral and part of the Non Alligned Movement what I am saying all the countries involved wanted a piece Russia got Serbia as an Ally West got Croatia,Montenegro,Kosovo,Slovenia as allies piece of Bosnia Turks got influence sort of in the Balkans vis Kosovo and Bosnia all of these destroyed Yugoslavia
After Stalin relations were improved. Russia could not gain a piece in Yugoslavia in 90's - in that times Russia barely could fight wars in Caucasus and Central Asia and had 0 projective power. West started the war and destroyed Yugoslavia, natural ally of Russia. As it devided USSR itself, as it devided Africa nad Middle East few decades earlier.
 
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After Stalin relations were improved. Russia could not gain a piece in Yugoslavia in 90's - in that times Russia barely could fight wars in Caucasus and Central Asia and had 0 projective power. West started the war and destroyed Yugoslavia, natural ally of Russia.

Anyways ultra nationalists like Franjo Tudjman,Alijia Izetbegovic and Slobodan Milosevic really destroyed Yugo,anyways I hope These states do form a union more of them are regretting Yugo being gone
 
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When those countries were in Eastern Block their birth rate was ok, and economic situation was much better. Now they are in Western Block - so it is West's fault they can not improve situation, not the USSR wich is dead for 30 years.

This is such a surface level answer and explanation. Mind you, back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Western Europe also had big positive birth rates, it wasn't due to the which political bloc a nation was in, but rather it was a different time with a different mentality.

Today, many countries in the world are seeing a slow down in population growth mainly do the generational differences, the rise of pop culture, feminism, individualism, etc. People have simply changes, they prefer to have 1-2 kids. For example, Turkey, in the 70s and 80s their birth rate was very very high, but today it isn't very high, yet they were never in the Soviet Union. Parts of Western Turkey see a 1.9-2.1 natural birth growth per year, because again, people are changing and their priorities are changing with it.

Pakistan is a underdeveloped nation, and as such it feeds into the trend where many under-developed nations have high birth rates. It is not known why this is, it could be due to many rural areas where families need people to work the lands, or it could be due to poor healthcare and high infant mortality rates. All of these factors could contribute to a higher than average natural birth rate.

China is also slowing down, they are expected to lose tens of millions of people (naturally) in the coming decades because most people have 1-2 kids and with the massive migration into big cities, it is very difficult to have 4-5 kids.

Exactly the collapse of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia was a disaster when they were one country their birth rates were stable Ceausescu Romania had the highest birthrate in Europe Post WW2,besides Hoxha Albania,Bosnia isnt really in the western block it's still stumbling block Partially controlled by Serbs in Republika Srpska and EU imposed puppet state in Sarajevo then again not fond of the Serbs tbh but frankly all thse countries were better under Yugoslavia



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I will have to correct you on the poor interpretation of the political situation in Bosnia. Republika Srpska is a state within Bosnia, similar to a republic in the Russian Federation or a state in the United States. Republika Srpska has no monetary independence, no military, no borders or jurisdiction thereof, no passport or ID card, etc.

The central bank regulates the Bosnian currency and it is located in Sarajevo, so is the ministry of Defense, ministry of foreign affairs, etc. Therefore, Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia, Bosnian Serbs who are elected go to Sarajevo to serve their posts. Finally, your claim that there is a puppet state in Sarajevo is funny and holds no merit. The EU is there, sure, but they are there to ensure the peace deal is in force and quite frankly the peace deal works in favor of Bosnian Serbs more than it does to Bosniaks and other pro-Bosnia citizens. The deal stopped the war, the Bosnian army was on an offensive, the city of Banja Luka was being evacuated (the city is the capital of Republika Srpska), and the EU/US stopped the war. All the while, when Bosnians were being killed, the west did nothing, but when the army started winning the west stopped the war in a matter of weeks. This goes to tell you how NATO and the west were against Bosnia, but Bosnians clrealy see this now and they won't forget it either.

It is West who carved it up, because united Yugoslavia could be competitor for European countries and powerful Russian ally. West was very pleased to help traitors to tear all countries they could - USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia. You can not blame Russia for that. It was our block and while we were in power those countries were fine.
Devide et impere - good old Roman tradition inherited by Western empires. It real politic based on economics and geopolitics. Nothing personal, but competitors must be destroyed.

I don't know if anyone is qualified to talk about what broke up Yugoslavia, but I think I am. Simpy put, the many different nationalities in Yugoslavia ultimately broke it up. It wasn't the CIA who came and forced millions of Croats to protest for months demanding independence, or the Slovnians or the Macedonians and or the Bosnians. The people wanted their republics to be independent. Each Yugoslav republic had a democratic referendum in which the majority of each nation voted to leave Yugoslavia.

Further, the history amongst the difference peoples runs deep, over 1,000 years. Yugoslavia was a recent experiment held tightly together by Tito who silenced the Chetniks (Serb Nationalists) and the Ustase (Croatian Nationalist) and also silenced Bosniak figures who preached against YU.

The Serbs were the ultimate destroyers of YU. Under Tito people lived together in "brotherhood and unity," however after he passed, the Serbs started to implement policies which went against the very YU slogan of brotherhood and unity. For example, the majority of the general in the YU army were Serb even though the Serbs were a cumulative minority in YU, further, most of the ministries were starting to be filled with Serbians or pro-Serbian politicians. Tito made sure the federal government in YU was fairly represented, after his death it was not anymore. People started to rebel against all of this, and they started to call for leaving the south slavic union.

It is easy to say the West did this or that, but I know what happened on the ground and I know the history of the area. Sure, the west supported it, but it was ultimately the different peoples and nations of YU that decided to leave.

Anyways ultra nationalists like Franjo Tudjman,Alijia Izetbegovic and Slobodan Milosevic really destroyed Yugo,anyways I hope These states do form a union more of them are regretting Yugo being gone

How about Pakistan forms a union with India, or maybe just go back to being Indian. How does that sound @OsmanAli98

After Stalin relations were improved. Russia could not gain a piece in Yugoslavia in 90's - in that times Russia barely could fight wars in Caucasus and Central Asia and had 0 projective power. West started the war and destroyed Yugoslavia, natural ally of Russia. As it devided USSR itself, as it devided Africa nad Middle East few decades earlier.


Mind you, Stalin tried to kill TITO on dozens of occasions. YU started the "Non-Allignment" movement, which countered the very teachings of the Soviet Union and the West. Therefore, no to say that YU was a close buddy of the Soviet Union is wrong. The YU army had yearly drills simulating a hypothetical Soviet Invasion. This says it all.

I want to add some color to the population situation in Bosnia. The answer is simple:

Bosnia is in Europe, it borders the European Union, The Bosnian Passport allows you to live and work in most EU countries, therefore, many young people are taking advantage of this. Also, if we look at Croatia where the average salary is 900 Euros ($1,035.00) per month, even there people are leaving en mass. Just because people are leaving does not mean they won't come back. In Bosnia the average salary is 470 Euros, roughly $520 per month ( higher than Russia and on par with TR) yet people are still leaving. I am sure if Russia had the same working arrangments with the EU they would flock to go work there.

The good thing is this..... many people return after a few years and start companies, many people send money, buy apartment and build houses which all contributes to the economy. Also, if we look at the bread and butter of the stats we will see that the majority of people leaving Bosnia are Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats which works great for Bosnia's political situation.

Also, there i a generational change in Eastern Europe, as I mentioned above. People are choosing to have less kids and that is evident in the rest of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, China, etc. However, Pakistan is still under-developed and it simply cannot be put in the same category as Eastern European nations in terms of salary, infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc. and the same can be said for India. As these countries develop, they too will start seeing a decrease in their population. Especially with urbanization. It may be easy to have many kids in a village, but much more difficult in a city.

We are seeing many migrants from Northern Africa, Middle East and Pakistan .. maybe they will help with the demographic situation. Many go through Bosnia on the way to the EU, but some decide to stay. One example is this guy from Morocco, he sells napkins and says he makes more selling napkins in Bosnia then he could working back home.

Moroccans

Algerian who decide to stay:

Pakistanis:
 
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This is such a surface level answer and explanation. Mind you, back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Western Europe also had big positive birth rates, it wasn't due to the which political bloc a nation was in, but rather it was a different time with a different mentality.

Today, many countries in the world are seeing a slow down in population growth mainly do the generational differences, the rise of pop culture, feminism, individualism, etc. People have simply changes, they prefer to have 1-2 kids. For example, Turkey, in the 70s and 80s their birth rate was very very high, but today it isn't very high, yet they were never in the Soviet Union. Parts of Western Turkey see a 1.9-2.1 natural birth growth per year, because again, people are changing and their priorities are changing with it.

Pakistan is a underdeveloped nation, and as such it feeds into the trend where many under-developed nations have high birth rates. It is not known why this is, it could be due to many rural areas where families need people to work the lands, or it could be due to poor healthcare and high infant mortality rates. All of these factors could contribute to a higher than average natural birth rate.

China is also slowing down, they are expected to lose tens of millions of people (naturally) in the coming decades because most people have 1-2 kids and with the massive migration into big cities, it is very difficult to have 4-5 kids.




I will have to correct you on the poor interpretation of the political situation in Bosnia. Republika Srpska is a state within Bosnia, similar to a republic in the Russian Federation or a state in the United States. Republika Srpska has no monetary independence, no military, no borders or jurisdiction thereof, no passport or ID card, etc.

The central bank regulates the Bosnian currency and it is located in Sarajevo, so is the ministry of Defense, ministry of foreign affairs, etc. Therefore, Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia, Bosnian Serbs who are elected go to Sarajevo to serve their posts. Finally, your claim that there is a puppet state in Sarajevo is funny and holds no merit. The EU is there, sure, but they are there to ensure the peace deal is in force and quite frankly the peace deal works in favor of Bosnian Serbs more than it does to Bosniaks and other pro-Bosnia citizens. The deal stopped the war, the Bosnian army was on an offensive, the city of Banja Luka was being evacuated (the city is the capital of Republika Srpska), and the EU/US stopped the war. All the while, when Bosnians were being killed, the west did nothing, but when the army started winning the west stopped the war in a matter of weeks. This goes to tell you how NATO and the west were against Bosnia, but Bosnians clrealy see this now and they won't forget it either.



I don't know if anyone is qualified to talk about what broke up Yugoslavia, but I think I am. Simpy put, the many different nationalities in Yugoslavia ultimately broke it up. It wasn't the CIA who came and forced millions of Croats to protest for months demanding independence, or the Slovnians or the Macedonians and or the Bosnians. The people wanted their republics to be independent. Each Yugoslav republic had a democratic referendum in which the majority of each nation voted to leave Yugoslavia.

Further, the history amongst the difference peoples runs deep, over 1,000 years. Yugoslavia was a recent experiment held tightly together by Tito who silenced the Chetniks (Serb Nationalists) and the Ustase (Croatian Nationalist) and also silenced Bosniak figures who preached against YU.

The Serbs were the ultimate destroyers of YU. Under Tito people lived together in "brotherhood and unity," however after he passed, the Serbs started to implement policies which went against the very YU slogan of brotherhood and unity. For example, the majority of the general in the YU army were Serb even though the Serbs were a cumulative minority in YU, further, most of the ministries were starting to be filled with Serbians or pro-Serbian politicians. Tito made sure the federal government in YU was fairly represented, after his death it was not anymore. People started to rebel against all of this, and they started to call for leaving the south slavic union.

It is easy to say the West did this or that, but I know what happened on the ground and I know the history of the area. Sure, the west supported it, but it was ultimately the different peoples and nations of YU that decided to leave.



How about Pakistan forms a union with India, or maybe just go back to being Indian. How does that sound @OsmanAli98




Mind you, Stalin tried to kill TITO on dozens of occasions. YU started the "Non-Allignment" movement, which countered the very teachings of the Soviet Union and the West. Therefore, no to say that YU was a close buddy of the Soviet Union is wrong. The YU army had yearly drills simulating a hypothetical Soviet Invasion. This says it all.

I want to add some color to the population situation in Bosnia. The answer is simple:

Bosnia is in Europe, it borders the European Union, The Bosnian Passport allows you to live and work in most EU countries, therefore, many young people are taking advantage of this. Also, if we look at Croatia where the average salary is 900 Euros ($1,035.00) per month, even there people are leaving en mass. Just because people are leaving does not mean they won't come back. In Bosnia the average salary is 470 Euros, roughly $520 per month ( higher than Russia and on par with TR) yet people are still leaving. I am sure if Russia had the same working arrangments with the EU they would flock to go work there.

The good thing is this..... many people return after a few years and start companies, many people send money, buy apartment and build houses which all contributes to the economy. Also, if we look at the bread and butter of the stats we will see that the majority of people leaving Bosnia are Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats which works great for Bosnia's political situation.

Also, there i a generational change in Eastern Europe, as I mentioned above. People are choosing to have less kids and that is evident in the rest of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, China, etc. However, Pakistan is still under-developed and it simply cannot be put in the same category as Eastern European nations in terms of salary, infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc. and the same can be said for India. As these countries develop, they too will start seeing a decrease in their population. Especially with urbanization. It may be easy to have many kids in a village, but much more difficult in a city.

We are seeing many migrants from Northern Africa, Middle East and Pakistan .. maybe they will help with the demographic situation. Many go through Bosnia on the way to the EU, but some decide to stay. One example is this guy from Morocco, he sells napkins and says he makes more selling napkins in Bosnia then he could working back home.

Moroccans

Algerian who decide to stay:

Pakistanis:
I was born in 90, those were good days. We were under sanctions but it was good days.

And the first time I heard about Bosnian conflict when my uncle was sent to Bosnia during the war. I was a child back than and didnt much understand except that our muslim brothers were being massacred by fkin orthodogs.

Later we had a TV series “Alpha Bravo Charlie”, which was basically a show bout 3 army guys their journey from civilians to soldiers and their fate.. one of em sent to Bosnia.. and how he is held captive and dies there.

That kinda humanised the conflict for us.





(Can you find me the original song, and perhaps a little translation?)

Got me interested, used to talk to my uncle (God rest his soul) about his time in Bosnia during the conflict. I searched about Bosnia, history of Yugoslavia..

The experiment of Tito, how it came to the end.

How Bosnians Christians were treated both by the orthodox and the pope party.

How Bosnians joined Islam and formed the elite under the Ottomans and the hatred by serbs and croats.

The assassination of the cardinal or whatever that 1 bullet that started the conflict.

And how Pakistanis went to fight there and so on.

What Pak Army did there and so on.
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I even read the accounts of some Pakistanis who were going to Europe illegally, passing through bosnia and getting involved in the war and so on.

So as a Pakistani aswell as a Muslim it hurt me when I saw what serbs did to Bosnians. How they committed genocide, rapes and what not.

Your country is beautiful and some day, I will visit with my family, Inshallah.

Just stay strong and prosper brothers.

Perhaps this the mainstream Russian perspective but let's look back Tito when he was leader took Yugoslavia in a different direction he wasnt that privy to being a Soviet puppet state and was wary of Stalin I mean Yugoslavia even at one point viewed the USSR as a threat and was neutral and part of the Non Alligned Movement what I am saying all the countries involved wanted a piece Russia got Serbia as an Ally West got Croatia,Montenegro,Kosovo,Slovenia as allies piece of Bosnia Turks got influence sort of in the Balkans vis Kosovo and Bosnia all of these destroyed Yugoslavia



And where did these Serbian and Croatian ultra nationalists exist during the Tito era abroad mainly in Germany and In the US besides Bosnians,Croats,Serbs are South Slavic way more homogeneous there were external factors that lead to that tragedy
Google bout the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

Anyways ultra nationalists like Franjo Tudjman,Alijia Izetbegovic and Slobodan Milosevic really destroyed Yugo,anyways I hope These states do form a union more of them are regretting Yugo being gone


Hatred for Bosnians goes back a thousand years.
 
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Thanks @DESERT FIGHTER, thank you for your uncle's service.
He passed away young 7 years ago. Cancer runs in the family. It took only 2 weeks after diagnosis.
When we talked, he regretted that we couldnt do more. Sometimes I could see sadness in his eyes... he was with PAKBAT, moved alot and told me about how neighbours turned against bosnians.
How beautiful cities were filled with bullet holes and atrocities committed.
Kinda like the horrors that we went through in 1947.

Alas my dear brother Elvin...

I wish you all the best. God bless you all.

This is such a surface level answer and explanation. Mind you, back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Western Europe also had big positive birth rates, it wasn't due to the which political bloc a nation was in, but rather it was a different time with a different mentality.

Today, many countries in the world are seeing a slow down in population growth mainly do the generational differences, the rise of pop culture, feminism, individualism, etc. People have simply changes, they prefer to have 1-2 kids. For example, Turkey, in the 70s and 80s their birth rate was very very high, but today it isn't very high, yet they were never in the Soviet Union. Parts of Western Turkey see a 1.9-2.1 natural birth growth per year, because again, people are changing and their priorities are changing with it.

Pakistan is a underdeveloped nation, and as such it feeds into the trend where many under-developed nations have high birth rates. It is not known why this is, it could be due to many rural areas where families need people to work the lands, or it could be due to poor healthcare and high infant mortality rates. All of these factors could contribute to a higher than average natural birth rate.

China is also slowing down, they are expected to lose tens of millions of people (naturally) in the coming decades because most people have 1-2 kids and with the massive migration into big cities, it is very difficult to have 4-5 kids.




I will have to correct you on the poor interpretation of the political situation in Bosnia. Republika Srpska is a state within Bosnia, similar to a republic in the Russian Federation or a state in the United States. Republika Srpska has no monetary independence, no military, no borders or jurisdiction thereof, no passport or ID card, etc.

The central bank regulates the Bosnian currency and it is located in Sarajevo, so is the ministry of Defense, ministry of foreign affairs, etc. Therefore, Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia, Bosnian Serbs who are elected go to Sarajevo to serve their posts. Finally, your claim that there is a puppet state in Sarajevo is funny and holds no merit. The EU is there, sure, but they are there to ensure the peace deal is in force and quite frankly the peace deal works in favor of Bosnian Serbs more than it does to Bosniaks and other pro-Bosnia citizens. The deal stopped the war, the Bosnian army was on an offensive, the city of Banja Luka was being evacuated (the city is the capital of Republika Srpska), and the EU/US stopped the war. All the while, when Bosnians were being killed, the west did nothing, but when the army started winning the west stopped the war in a matter of weeks. This goes to tell you how NATO and the west were against Bosnia, but Bosnians clrealy see this now and they won't forget it either.



I don't know if anyone is qualified to talk about what broke up Yugoslavia, but I think I am. Simpy put, the many different nationalities in Yugoslavia ultimately broke it up. It wasn't the CIA who came and forced millions of Croats to protest for months demanding independence, or the Slovnians or the Macedonians and or the Bosnians. The people wanted their republics to be independent. Each Yugoslav republic had a democratic referendum in which the majority of each nation voted to leave Yugoslavia.

Further, the history amongst the difference peoples runs deep, over 1,000 years. Yugoslavia was a recent experiment held tightly together by Tito who silenced the Chetniks (Serb Nationalists) and the Ustase (Croatian Nationalist) and also silenced Bosniak figures who preached against YU.

The Serbs were the ultimate destroyers of YU. Under Tito people lived together in "brotherhood and unity," however after he passed, the Serbs started to implement policies which went against the very YU slogan of brotherhood and unity. For example, the majority of the general in the YU army were Serb even though the Serbs were a cumulative minority in YU, further, most of the ministries were starting to be filled with Serbians or pro-Serbian politicians. Tito made sure the federal government in YU was fairly represented, after his death it was not anymore. People started to rebel against all of this, and they started to call for leaving the south slavic union.

It is easy to say the West did this or that, but I know what happened on the ground and I know the history of the area. Sure, the west supported it, but it was ultimately the different peoples and nations of YU that decided to leave.



How about Pakistan forms a union with India, or maybe just go back to being Indian. How does that sound @OsmanAli98




Mind you, Stalin tried to kill TITO on dozens of occasions. YU started the "Non-Allignment" movement, which countered the very teachings of the Soviet Union and the West. Therefore, no to say that YU was a close buddy of the Soviet Union is wrong. The YU army had yearly drills simulating a hypothetical Soviet Invasion. This says it all.

I want to add some color to the population situation in Bosnia. The answer is simple:

Bosnia is in Europe, it borders the European Union, The Bosnian Passport allows you to live and work in most EU countries, therefore, many young people are taking advantage of this. Also, if we look at Croatia where the average salary is 900 Euros ($1,035.00) per month, even there people are leaving en mass. Just because people are leaving does not mean they won't come back. In Bosnia the average salary is 470 Euros, roughly $520 per month ( higher than Russia and on par with TR) yet people are still leaving. I am sure if Russia had the same working arrangments with the EU they would flock to go work there.

The good thing is this..... many people return after a few years and start companies, many people send money, buy apartment and build houses which all contributes to the economy. Also, if we look at the bread and butter of the stats we will see that the majority of people leaving Bosnia are Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats which works great for Bosnia's political situation.

Also, there i a generational change in Eastern Europe, as I mentioned above. People are choosing to have less kids and that is evident in the rest of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, China, etc. However, Pakistan is still under-developed and it simply cannot be put in the same category as Eastern European nations in terms of salary, infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc. and the same can be said for India. As these countries develop, they too will start seeing a decrease in their population. Especially with urbanization. It may be easy to have many kids in a village, but much more difficult in a city.

We are seeing many migrants from Northern Africa, Middle East and Pakistan .. maybe they will help with the demographic situation. Many go through Bosnia on the way to the EU, but some decide to stay. One example is this guy from Morocco, he sells napkins and says he makes more selling napkins in Bosnia then he could working back home.

Moroccans

Algerian who decide to stay:

Pakistanis:
Brother, we were never “indian”. We could do a reunion if indians surrender and offer submission like the old days when they were “dhimmis”.

If they chose the old flags of our ancestors.
 
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When those countries were in Eastern Block their birth rate was ok, and economic situation was much better. Now they are in Western Block - so it is West's fault they can not improve situation, not the USSR wich is dead for 30 years.
The birth rates were ok everywhere in the world 30 years ago it has nothing to do with the West.
If thats the case then i guess Russia and China also became western camp...

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The birth rates were ok everywhere in the world 30 years ago it has nothing to do with the West.
If thats the case then i guess Russia and China also became western camp...

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Actually in Eastern block birth rate was higher because of stability in societies. Western Europe have demographic problems since 70's while Eastern Europe "join the club" after USSR collapse in 1991. And you can see clearly the big demographic hole after 1991. Some countries like Bulgaria and Latvia lost more than 30% - more then during WW2.
 
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Actually in Eastern block birth rate was higher because of stability in societies. Western Europe have demographic problems since 70's while Eastern Europe "join the club" after USSR collapse in 1991. And you can see clearly the big demographic hole after 1991. Some countries like Bulgaria and Latvia lost more than 30% - more then during WW2.
The answer to population decline is much more complex than just a ''unstable socieity'' each country has its own unique reasons for declining birth rates.
France as a Western country has a higher birthrate than Russia and China for exsample, you cant just generalize it and find a scapegoat for it.
 
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Not really limited to Bosnia.It's the same situation in every country in the region except Greece.
Every other country has the same demographic issues with Bulgaria being number one,followed by Romania and then all the others.
 
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He passed away young 7 years ago. Cancer runs in the family. It took only 2 weeks after diagnosis.
When we talked, he regretted that we couldnt do more. Sometimes I could see sadness in his eyes... he was with PAKBAT, moved alot and told me about how neighbours turned against bosnians.
How beautiful cities were filled with bullet holes and atrocities committed.
Kinda like the horrors that we went through in 1947.

Alas my dear brother Elvin...

I wish you all the best. God bless you all.


Brother, we were never “indian”. We could do a reunion if indians surrender and offer submission like the old days when they were “dhimmis”.

If they chose the old flags of our ancestors.

Yes @DESERT FIGHTER, I know there is a distinct delineation between Indians and Pakistanis, I just provided an example to @OsmanAli98 based on his notions he wrote about how he views YU and the recent history in the region. I don't like going down to that level, but I think that example, hopefully, made him realize how sensitive the Balkan region is and sugarcoating the 1,000 year history and atrocities the Serbs did (dating back to WW1) to Bosniaks, well it would be the same as if someone was trying to talk about India and Pakistan. It's too complex and just as Pakistan has a a million valid reasons against India, so too do Bosnians and other nations in the region for and against each other.

On a positive note. Sarajevo has risen from the ashes and so has Bosnia :D

Downtown Business District


Walk around the old town

Another beautiful city Mostar

Here is Tuzla (3rd largest city)

Here is Zenica ( 5th largest city)

Here is Banja Luka (2nd largest city)


And this one for extra credit haha, one of my favorite towns in Bosnia (Konjic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9HtNsyHCU
 
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I wonder what impact the genocide had? It created lots of refugees too.
 
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