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99% Analysts in Pakistan think this attack was because of Bonn conference. Isn't that confirms for what US wanted to pressurize us for? That clears Pakistan's reaction whether it's banning Bonn Conference or blocking NATO supply.

So it's a good decision, but to show power they should have left Bonn conference 1st half while taking Russia and China with them would help Pakistan more for his cause.
 
Without Pakistan, the Bonn Conference is like watching "Hamlet" (the play) without the Prince of Denmark in it.
 
I think you havn't learn geography and foreign relations, India can have access through Iran and aircrafts are there with us..
We r building roads and railways there,not sending any Jihadi elements...OK..So go to your home from the cybercafe and sleepwell because taliban is coming to attack on you..Bye bye..
Hey wait,....don't forget to learn geography...

Ok so if have the access through Iran , why sign the transit trade agreement ? :rofl:
Genius , everyone has aircrafts but to reach Afghanistan you have to pass through Pakistani airspace ... You think its going to happen ? :cheesy: Or do Indians now think Iran will allow them to do everything they wish ? Iran's a clever country , they let India built infrastructure in their country ... Are you aware that Iran supplies Gwadar from the same electricity generated by Indian funded plants at Chahbahar ? :lol: ... Are you one of those who think that Iran will risk its relationship with Pakistan for India ? :rofl: Let me make it clear genius , the influence that Pakistan has inside Afghanistan is something the Indians can only dream of ... Once NATO withdraws , we can keep you in check ...

We know very well what Indians are doing and what their plans are , so no need to fool us with these building roads , schools and railways bull **** because dozens of Indian consulates are doing exactly the opposite thing ... If you concerned so much about Afghans then we can open the Wagah border and Indians can take those 30 million Afghans we have sheltered for almost 3 decades now ... :azn:

Wake up and smell the coffee and dont forget to look at the map ! :P
 
After being the ones that cared for Afghans the most, I think we should just seal the border and say "**** it".
 
Yes,considering what that country was before you started caring, and what it is now.

So it was Pakistan that invited USSR or India because it had no friends in the region? :cry:
 
, you are going to Spend almost 1 month on inquiry of an incident that could have been finished in 3 days & you know it , what is the reason of delaying the results ?

:)

a month's time is plenty. ppl cool down, move on, anger comes down. That's psychological reasons. Then they're gonna evaluate and analyze the political wind. Release bits and pieces of information here and there and evaluate how Pak army, politicians and ppl respond, like they did with friday's pantagon release. If it sits well with them, fine, if not, Alter and amend accordingly in the next batch of information.

THey're right about one thing that it's a very time consuming and immaculate process.... for it has to suit their political and military agenda.
 
Yes,considering what that country was before you started caring, and what it is now.

Are you implying that it was Pakistan that attacked Afghanistan in 62 ?
Are you implying that it was Pakistan that invited the USSR into Afghanistan ?
Are you implying that it was Pakistan that gave Soviet Troops permission to operate with zero accountability ?
Are you implying that it was Pakistan that backed the Northern Alliance against the Taliban Government which lead to further deterioration of the situation in Afghanistan ?
Are you implying that it was Pakistan that invaded Afghanistan in 2001 ?
Are you implying that it was Pakistan that has been fighting a losing war since ?

If your answer is yes to any of the above then you need either a history teacher or a psychiatrist.

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Pakistan will most probably end up attending the Bonn Conference since we are one of it's conveners and it suits our interests to attend the conference as well, as we can then better communicate our concerns and future course of action to all the stake holders in this war.
 
Hence, we, the Afghan government, and even Pakistan have all acknowledged that lasting peace in Afghanistan cannot be achieved without the help of Pakistan.

and you still keep fingering Pakistan?

That was a planned attacked, hint 26/11..

I watched a video of drone attack, where it targeted the pedestrians, while a dog just a few meters away from them survived after attacks. That means the accuracy, and US has night vision equipment, so how can they attack Pak Army 'mistakenly'?
 
PM refuses Clinton invite to Bonn moot

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ISLAMABAD: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and asked him to attend Bonn Conference, Geo News reported.

During the telephonic conversation, Clinton said that US respected sovereignty of Pakistan, adding that Pak-US relationship should not be affected after Nato attacks on Pakistani check posts.

Prime Minister told Clinton about the decision taken by Defence Committee of the Cabinet and Parlimantary Committee on National Security.
 
Following deadly NATO attacks on Pakistani border posts, the country has refused to attend the upcoming international conference on the situation in Afghanistan. But as the most influential nation in helping stabilize their war-torn neighbor, Pakistan's presence is crucial, German commentators say on Wednesday.


The timing couldn't be worse. Just ahead of the international conference in Bonn to address the situation in Afghanistan, officials from the country's most important neighbor, Pakistan, have decided to boycott the event. Outraged over a cross-border NATO raid that left 24 Pakistani troops dead over the weekend, Islamabad has accused the military alliance of deliberate aggression. The dispute now threatens to torpedo delicate efforts to stabilize the region.

Pakistani officials allege that NATO forces continued firing on two northwestern posts even after being informed that they belonged to the Pakistani military. "Detailed information of the posts was already with ISAF (International Security Assistance Force), including map references, and it was impossible that they did not know these to be our posts," Major General Ishfaq Nadeem said at an army briefing on Tuesday, according to Pakistan daily The News.
NATO has apologized for the incident, promising an investigation. But anger over the incident continues to swell in Pakistan, sparking protests and fiery editorials, and has strained already shaky ties between Pakistan and the United States.

The decision by Islamabad to boycott the Bonn conference is "regrettable," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters on Wednesday in South Korea. "Nothing will be gained by turning our backs on mutually beneficial cooperation," she said.

Stability Tops Priorities

The deadly attacks have also damaged relations between Islamabad and Kabul. On Wednesday Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani rejected a telephone request by Afghan President Hamid Karzai to reconsider the decision to boycott the conference. Because NATO launched their airstrikes from Afghanistan, their southern neighbor would not attend in protest, Gilani said.

Meanwhile, the Rhineland city of Bonn continues preparing to welcome 100 delegations to talks that begin on Dec. 5, the main focus of which will be stabilizing the region before NATO troops complete their withdrawal at the end of 2014.

"Afghanistan needs a credible commitment from the international community not to abandon them after withdrawal," Germany's special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Michael Steiner, told news agency DAPD.

But on Wednesday German commentators questioned whether it would be possible to achieve the conference's aims without Pakistan's participation.

Conservative daily Die Welt writes:

"More than 100 delegates have been invited by the Afghan and German governments to meet two goals. First, to promise the Afghans that the troop withdrawal won't mean a complete end to the engagement there. … And second, that the political process of reconciliation between the Afghan government and the insurgent Taliban will finally move forward. This is unthinkable without the involvement of neighboring countries, the most important of which is Pakistan. Leading insurgent cells … have their operational bases there."

"Should Pakistan stick to its conference boycott, the political process will remain what it is: a diplomatic wish. For the German government and particularly for Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, who has made the success of reconciliation a personal mission, this is a serious setback. Westerwelle must know that Germany's possibilities for influence are confined to playing the supporting role of a well-meaning intermediary. The leading roles are played by Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States. And the latest NATO strike on the Pakistani border post isn't the only reason that the relationship between the latter two is suffering dearly."

"Before the Bonn conference even begins comes the bitter insight that only the decision to withdraw troops is certain. Only hope remains for what comes next."

The left-leaning daily Die Tageszeitung writes:

"Pakistan's government and military are just as dependent on US assistance as US-led NATO troops in Afghanistan are on Pakistani cooperation. There are justifiable doubts about the latter, however. Pakistan's unwillingness to be dominated and pushed around by the US is understandable. But American mistrust is warranted. And it doesn't help when Pakistan declines to participate in international attempts to solve the Afghanistan problem, such as the planned conference in Bonn. That only confirms that Islamabad isn't a reliable partner. Just as the US military should not automatically be trusted, Pakistan's secret service has often enough played a dirty double game."

"Pakistan's decision not to participate in the Bonn conference has likely doomed it to failure. Indeed, with the Taliban and Iran also not in attendance, several central players will be missing. It has also become clear that, 10 years after the start of the intervention in Afghanistan, there is still no concept for how to deal with the country's important neighbors. The West isn't just in danger of failing in Afghanistan, but in Pakistan as well."

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"Among the lessons from Afghanistan is the realization that Germany is too big to hide on the issue, but also too small to have any pivotal influence on a conflict so far from Europe. As the provider of the third-largest number of troops, German forces amount to just one-twentieth of US troop presence there. Washington will set the tempo for troop withdrawal. It's apparent that not even the outcome of the Bonn conference is in German hands. Coaxing by Westerwelle couldn't prevent Pakistan's Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar from boycotting the conference in protest of the deadly NATO attack on a Pakistani border post. With Pakistan's boycott, every proposal painstakingly prepared for the conference in recent months will collapse. The promise of help from the West after 2014 shouldn't be the only thing that happens there. The countries in the region, above all Pakistan, should show some respect for Afghanistan. It's sobering to realize that nothing will come of this."

The left-leaning Berliner Zeitung reports:

"For years politicians, diplomats and military officials in Berlin and Washington have repeated that Pakistan is Afghanistan's most important neighbor. … And they say that the conflict can only be solved in the region. That is all correct, but it's mainly a cheap assertion that inadequately hides the helplessness of the international community when it comes to Afghanistan."
"To be sure, a big conference is not the appropriate instrument for influencing developments in Afghanistan. The Bonn jamboree will be a spectacle that has a greater effect in the participating countries than on changing the situation in Afghanistan. The Germans, the British, the Americans and every other country providing troops will vaunt their plan to end the military mission there by the end of 2014. Finally, the mission so unpopular with the people back home will be over."

"Nothing concrete will happen. … The Bonn conference will be just another big event in a sequence that has brought little benefit to the Afghans. And participation by Pakistan wouldn't make any difference."

-- Kristen Allen

The World from Berlin: Afghanistan Conference 'Doomed to Failure' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
 
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