Boeing displays manned "sixth-generation" F/A-XX concept jet

[razgriz19]

All it takes is one Astroid and we are back to living in caves

But its marvelous how far we have come since living in caves

Remarkable Human Achivement

Gap of 1 generation made US scientist forget about the secrets used in 60's for apolo mission , I wonder if Humans can keep all this knowledge ....

We are OUT GROWING our potential thinking capacities now

0 BC...1900 we walked on foot , wore rags, had no plumbing , and had no medicine , ppl did not bath routinely - ppl had long crazy hair

But very impressive run form 1900 - to 2012 it was a fun ride

But its amazing that humans were great at architecture back in Roman Civilization/ Pharoh days ... we can't match these yet ... the beauti in sculptures in Italy or Rome etc

Now we have EVOLVED ... so much ... wonder how will be react to our first astroid encounter how much will survive and be available to be taught to our children


We have so much technology in our lives now , our stoves fire heating , clothes are made with technology machines, how will we react if all of sudden we need to build fire from wood , and seek food from forest instead of supermarkets ?

Can we survive ..I don't know I just had this thought .. wow another technologucal marvel ....but another case of Humans ... losing touch with nature and becoming mechanised

very intresting thought.......but u kno wat we r running out of the most basic need of life!! WATER.
looks like we need to create desalination plants...especially in Pak for sure!

now back to topic
im not sure if this plane can be manueverable as raptor or other a/c

 

[SpArK]

Boeing displays concepts for F/A-18E/F replacement


Boeing has started publicly marketing two concepts for a stealthy, tailless, supercruising strike fighter to replace its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet after 2025.
Both twin-engine concepts, which feature optionally-piloted cockpits, resemble a modern-day replacement for the ill-fated A-12 Avenger. The carrier-based stealth bomber project was cancelled in 1991 amid cost overruns and technical problems.
But the provisionally 9g-rated airframes also reflect the air-to-air performance once provided by the Grumman F-14, which the Super Hornet finally replaced in 2006, says Dave Thieman, a programme development official in Boeing's advanced global strike systems division.
Talk of replacing the F/A-18E/F, which entered service from 1999, may seem premature, but the earliest stages of the navy's acquisition process have already started, Thieman says.
"They're going to need [replacement] vehicles beyond 2025," he says.

In June 2008, navy officials publicly unveiled plans for an F/A-XX requirement, which included both manned and unmanned airframes as options.
More recently, the service has renamed the requirement as next generation air dominance (NGAD), seeking to widen the possibilities to include new airframes or land-based systems, such as missiles.
Naval requirements officials have submitted an initial capabilities document to the Joint Requirements Oversight Council for approval.
An analysis of alternatives is expected to start in late 2011, which could lead to the launch of a technology demonstration phase with competing prototypes about two years later. Boeing's rivals would likely include both manned and unmanned options.
For Boeing, NGAD represents a strategic opportunity to re-enter the US market for next-generation strike aircraft, which seemed lost forever after Lockheed Martin claimed the Joint Strike Fighter contract in 2001.
As a result, Boeing officials have focused on the navy's thinking for a Super Hornet replacement that remains at least 15 years away. The company understands that its potential customer wants a replacement with more engine power to supercruise, with the low observable aircraft to carry internal weapons, distributed sensors and have extreme agility.
"It's a [Lockheed] F-22 on the carrier," Thieman says.
Meanwhile, the US Air Force has launched an early study called a capabilities based analysis for an F-22 replacement. Like the Super Hornet, the fighter remains in active production, but the air force expects a replacement will be required after 2025.
If funding for a replacement programme can be found, there is likely to be pressure to launch a joint technology demonstration, where the air force and navy would co-operate on a next-generation air dominance fighter.
In that situation, the air force may require a bigger airframe than a carrier-based fighter to accomplish its mission, Thieman says. However, the two projects could share common engines, systems and weapons, he believes.

 

[Thomas]

Looking at Boeing's concept it's hard to believe how much aviation has advanced in the 107 years since the Wright brothers first flight. Just imagine what aircraft will look like and be capable of in another 100 years.

 

[Nishan_101]

good one................. keep on developing and chinese will be copying... lolzzzz.........

 

[SQ8]

Looking at Boeing's concept it's hard to believe how much aviation has advanced in the 107 years since the Wright brothers first flight. Just imagine what aircraft will look like and be capable of in another 100 years.

They might end up resembling the very abstract forms that were thought up by the first pioneers of flight.

 

[Creder]

YouTube - Lockheed Martin Sabre Warrior UCAV Concept

Batman likesss

 

[indushek]

Friends since the discussion is going on, i would like to put forward my views which are also questions if someone could answer i would be greatful.

What if the 6th gen or next gen plane is run by Nuclear power i.e. a nuclear reactor the size of say a cardboard box. Such a miniaturized power plant could run the plane right??

Is it possible that even then the pilot would be effected by radiation??

I think if it is possible may be then the planes could have enormous life time like they could stay airborne for hours.

Also Mr.Thomas brought about a article on invisibility to both radars and human eye. Would this possible in say 10 to 20 years??

I think if a plane could have all these then may be it would be invincible what u say??

 

[Markus]

The future belongs to unmanned fighter jets capable of hypersonic speeds.

 

[SQ8]

Friends since the discussion is going on, i would like to put forward my views which are also questions if someone could answer i would be greatful.

What if the 6th gen or next gen plane is run by Nuclear power i.e. a nuclear reactor the size of say a cardboard box. Such a miniaturized power plant could run the plane right??

Is it possible that even then the pilot would be effected by radiation??

I think if it is possible may be then the planes could have enormous life time like they could stay airborne for hours.

Also Mr.Thomas brought about a article on invisibility to both radars and human eye. Would this possible in say 10 to 20 years??

I think if a plane could have all these then may be it would be invincible what u say??

First.. even a reactor the size of a cardboard box would need equivalent shielding for the pilot the size of a refrigerator unless they come up with a much more denser artificial element than lead.

There was a neat novel by.. dunno what author I read 10 years ago. on a conflict between russia and japan in which the Us secretly sends F-22's equipped with such a visual camouflage..ala the movie "I spy" against a new Japanese 5th gen called the zero X.
In the novel the Japanese find a workaround by using the IR spectrum to detect the jets.
Might be applicable today in case such a tech was to come out.

 

[Donatello]

Friends since the discussion is going on, i would like to put forward my views which are also questions if someone could answer i would be greatful.

What if the 6th gen or next gen plane is run by Nuclear power i.e. a nuclear reactor the size of say a cardboard box. Such a miniaturized power plant could run the plane right??

Is it possible that even then the pilot would be effected by radiation??

I think if it is possible may be then the planes could have enormous life time like they could stay airborne for hours.

Also Mr.Thomas brought about a article on invisibility to both radars and human eye. Would this possible in say 10 to 20 years??

I think if a plane could have all these then may be it would be invincible what u say??

You don't need nuclear power because the goal is no longer long range.
Back in the cold war US run this program called Project Pluto and Soviet Union ran on their Tu 95s. The projects were canceled because they couldn't solve the radiation shielding problems. But at that time loiter time and range was important. Today you can achieve that by Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles from submarines and aircraft, so range is no longer an issue.

I think 6th generation is all hype and too much to talk now.

5th gen is not even fully mobilized and by the 2025 time, JSF 35 would still be running production lines just for the USAF. That's a 300 billion USD commitment by USAF and i doubt if they can afford a 6th gen plane then. No one knows how their economy would look like in the next 15 years, where most of the experts agree that an impending economic doom is around the corner.

 

[indushek]

You don't need nuclear power because the goal is no longer long range.
Back in the cold war US run this program called Project Pluto and Soviet Union ran on their Tu 95s. The projects were canceled because they couldn't solve the radiation shielding problems. But at that time loiter time and range was important. Today you can achieve that by Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles from submarines and aircraft, so range is no longer an issue.

I think 6th generation is all hype and too much to talk now.

5th gen is not even fully mobilized and by the 2025 time, JSF 35 would still be running production lines just for the USAF. That's a 300 billion USD commitment by USAF and i doubt if they can afford a 6th gen plane then. No one knows how their economy would look like in the next 15 years, where most of the experts agree that an impending economic doom is around the corner.

Yeah i agree with u on most parts. Also i think the cost to maintain the plane would outrun the costs of a missile with long range i guess. Well its just my imagination firing all guns i guess

 

[indushek]

First.. even a reactor the size of a cardboard box would need equivalent shielding for the pilot the size of a refrigerator unless they come up with a much more denser artificial element than lead.

There was a neat novel by.. dunno what author I read 10 years ago. on a conflict between russia and japan in which the Us secretly sends F-22's equipped with such a visual camouflage..ala the movie "I spy" against a new Japanese 5th gen called the zero X.
In the novel the Japanese find a workaround by using the IR spectrum to detect the jets.
Might be applicable today in case such a tech was to come out.

There is a saying in Telugu (which is my mother tongue)

If there is somebody who can break others head then there surely would be another to break this one's too. I hope u understood its a proverb actually, couldn't get full translation right as its difficult for a true translation. I think u were saying something on this line i understand that is if someone comes up with such tech somebody else would come up with a counter for that.

 

[hardcore]

Friends since the discussion is going on, i would like to put forward my views which are also questions if someone could answer i would be greatful.

What if the 6th gen or next gen plane is run by Nuclear power i.e. a nuclear reactor the size of say a cardboard box. Such a miniaturized power plant could run the plane right??

Is it possible that even then the pilot would be effected by radiation??

I think if it is possible may be then the planes could have enormous life time like they could stay airborne for hours.

Also Mr.Thomas brought about a article on invisibility to both radars and human eye. Would this possible in say 10 to 20 years??

I think if a plane could have all these then may be it would be invincible what u say??

even if this could be achived then wat about the missiles and other ammunition they will be an limiting factor

 

[Tshering22]

But what's the point of hurrying with 6th gen now? Still US is going to have air superiority in their region and some countries around the world with the Raptors. They better reconsider their concept of 'war economy' because programs like Raptor and JSF have really taxed American economy way too much.

 

[Akasa]

Seems pretty formidable

Wonder how it fares against their Chinese counterparts like the J-16 and the J-18.