Bloomberg: China risks repeating the mistakes of the Soviet Union in the confrontation with the United States

[PakAlp]

Usa has Japan, Australia, South Korea, Vietnam, India as allies and backed by UK and other European countries. What allies does China have? Russia? North Korea? Burma? Cambodia? Pakistan? The USA plan is quite visible. If all allies agree to sanction/isolate China then China could start to decline.

 

[Zarvan]

22 septembre 2021

Bloomberg Agency considered that China, which is facing a strategic dilemma amid the accumulation of military capabilities of Washington and its allies in East Asia, risks repeating the mistakes of the Soviet Union.

The agency noted that China should draw several lessons from the Soviet experience.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union three decades ago, Chinese leaders studied the causes and concluded that one of the Soviet Union’s biggest mistakes was engaging in a costly arms race with the United States that ultimately bankrupted the Soviet economy.

Bloomberg also indicated that against the background of the accumulation of US military capabilities in East Asia, Beijing faces a “similar strategic dilemma”, and therefore the attempt to catch up with US military power will require China to radically increase its defense spending, and as a result the country may find itself in the same trap that fell. in the Soviet Union.

“However, the inability to confront the US military build-up could make China more vulnerable and weaker,” she added.

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She considered that the US decision to arm Australia with nuclear submarines is a manifestation of China’s “dilemma”, and that Washington is effectively defying Beijing by provoking a new arms race with it.

She stated that at present China enjoys an unenviable strategic position, as it is forced to confront the military capabilities of the United States and its allies in the Pacific Ocean at the same time.

According to Bloomberg, given the technological superiority of the United States as well as its weapons stockpile after decades of excessive military spending, China cannot count on winning a new arms race, noting that it is more useful for Beijing to focus on diplomacy to improve the security situation.

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In addition, the main reason for the success of the United States in mobilizing Japan, India and Australia is the countries’ fear of China’s growing military capabilities as well as the ongoing territorial disputes, meaning that the Celestial Empire (referring to China) must strive to resolve these disputes and defuse the tension in Relationships with neighboring countries.

She noted that given the mistrust and mutual hostility had reached dangerous levels, it was equally important for China to start doing business with the United States again.

She also stated that China should learn several lessons from the Soviet experience, adding that Soviet leaders continued to invest in a losing arms race because they feared that the United States would strike first. However, these fears were completely unfounded.

She stressed that a nuclear-armed China need not fear a US attack, and that the Soviet Union succeeded in preventing the Cold War from turning into an armed conflict by cooperating closely with the United States and developing protocols and rules to prevent accidental conflicts.


Source: “Bloomberg”

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...deal-shows-china-will-lose-arms-race-with-u-s

There is one major problem with this theory. China is only communist when it comes to its Government party. There is no communism in China's economic policies. They are in fact as Capitalist's in their policies as you can be. After USA, China has most billionaires. The sheer arrogance of west will get them humiliated.

 

[kankan326]

did you read that off the back of Pakistani bus, this is why one of the Eastern European countries is asking its citizens not to buy Chinese products are they next to China or do the yanks shareable border with China?

Pretty much because zeal of the convert has not cooled down yet in Eastern European countries. Which is very irrational.

Usa has Japan, Australia, South Korea, Vietnam, India as allies and backed by UK and other European countries. What allies does China have? Russia? North Korea? Burma? Cambodia? Pakistan? The USA plan is quite visible. If all allies agree to sanction/isolate China then China could start to decline.

No eternal allies or perptual enemies between countries. Interests will erode both. All China needs to do is developing economy.

 

[Menthol]

just because mistakes were not made 30+ years ago does not mean that mistakes will never be made.

Yup

According to prophecies, that is the probability.

During the period near the great war, there will be a lot of rumors of wars.

When countries are preparing for war, but it seems the war is not happening.

I guess this is what happening today.


Then suddenly there's a peace talk between East and West.

Everyone is thinking the conflict is over, but it's a fake peace talk as the two sides still have many grudes toward each other.

Then without everyone noticed, suddenly nuclear war erupted, it just needs one hour to kill one-third of humanity and to end the war as well.

It's a defenseless and unthinkable war, suddenly boom, everyone dies, and one hour later the war is over.

 

[The SC]

What distinguishes The US, which is its strong card in the world, are the alliances and the presence of allies who believe in the American approach and believe in it in most circumstances.
For example, The US has Britain, Australia, most of the NATO countries, Japan, and so on..

China on the other hand spends a lot of money trying to plant alliances in the world, but there is a big shortcoming because it does not have strong countries to support it in its project..Eventhough it is spread in almost all countries of the world through its global economic expansion..

The main goal of the United States is not war, but the creation of many influential forces in the region that prevent China from even thinking about controlling the Indo-Pacific and Asian Pacific region and preventing it from militarily expanding in the world. In short, the goal is to contain China..

The bottom line is that The US is the major power in the world, but China poses to it a threat that it did not meet in its history as a great power, so it is trying to contain it by all means and ways.

 

[Han Patriot]

Military spending.
US 3.4%GDP
China 1.8%GDP

$1 billion for 055， 13000 tons,
$3.7 billion for Burk3, 9800 tons

Then the conclusion is that China will be dragged down by the US arms race.

These numb nuts here don't understand that US has always been ahead of China militarily, so? The point is US will win a battle but lose the war, just like Afghanistan and Iraq, China have no intention of destroying US, they just want to maintain their own sphere and US needs to understand that.

 

[Khan vilatey]

What distinguishes The US, which is its strong card in the world, are the alliances and the presence of allies who believe in the American approach and believe in it in most circumstances.
For example, The US has Britain, Australia, most of the NATO countries, Japan, and so on..

China on the other hand spends a lot of money trying to plant alliances in the world, but there is a big shortcoming because it does not have strong countries to support it in its project..Eventhough it is spread in almost all countries of the world through its global economic expansion..

The main goal of the United States is not war, but the creation of many influential forces in the region that prevent China from even thinking about controlling the Indo-Pacific and Asian Pacific region and preventing it from militarily expanding in the world. In short, the goal is to contain China..

The bottom line is that The US is the major power in the world, but China poses to it a threat that it did not meet in its history as a great power, so it is trying to contain it by all means and ways.

one problem with your rant, didn’t the 54 strongest countries just lose after 20 years of war to A rag tag army with no food equipment or money? They fled in the dead of night, not so invincible after all are we?

didn’t this happen in Vietnam…….

World War II with England……

seems no one reads history

k

 

[retaxis]

US lost the only war that matters. The DEMOGRAPHIC WAR. In a short time US will no longer be a white country, it will be an afro-latino majority country like Brazil. Whites will be replaced by drug dealing gang banging latino/blacks living in favelas. While China builds bases on Mars US will be fighting poverty and drug wars at home as the new drug gang capital of the world. Its current Anglo allies will all be minority majority countries with different cultures forcing them to drift apart over time. US TIME IS OVER, the WHITES have been REPLACED.

NEW superpower QUAD China-Iran-Russia-Pakistan ain't afraid of the last remnants of anglo saxons lol

 

[The SC]

one problem with your rant, didn’t the 54 strongest countries just lose after 20 years of war to A rag tag army with no food equipment or money? They fled in the dead of night, not so invincible after all are we?

didn’t this happen in Vietnam…….

World War II with England……

seems no one reads history

k

You seem to have comprehension problems.. as my post was not about war.. but containing the Chinese expansion..

 

[Shehryar Ashraf]

Yup

According to prophecies, that is the probability.

During the period near the great war, there will be a lot of rumors of wars.

When countries are preparing for war, but it seems the war is not happening.

I guess this is what happening today.


Then suddenly there's a peace talk between East and West.

Everyone is thinking the conflict is over, but it's a fake peace talk as the two sides still have many grudes toward each other.

Then without everyone noticed, suddenly nuclear war erupted, it just needs one hour to kill one-third of humanity and to end the war as well.

It's a defenseless and unthinkable war, suddenly boom, everyone dies, and one hour later the war is over.

remember that the entire second world war happened because Germany wanted Danzig corridor back. there was a German Miscalculation after the molotov-ribbentrov pact that the Allies would not intervene.

 

[Menthol]

remember that the entire second world war happened because Germany wanted Danzig corridor back. there was a German Miscalculation after the molotov-ribbentrov pact that the Allies would not intervene.

The rise of China is a very normal thing actually, it's the purpose of all nations in the world to be developed.

But the size of China will become a problem to the current superpower, USA.

If China is at the size of Singapore or South Korea, this conflict will never happen.

A rich ant is still an ant. A poor elephant, despite its poor, but it is an elephant, and that is the problem.

 

[comci]

I give you facts and all I receive is hot air in return. China, a country with 4x the population of the US, is still years behind in GDP. That’s embarrassing, and shows how absurdly productive and wealthy the United States is.

There’s a reason why millions immigrate to the United States, because they know they can achieve their dreams here.

But what if China surpass USA in everything? will you acknowledge that USA is inferior than China? What would your arguments be when the time arrive that China surpass USA? oohh wait i know what your arguments will be because i met your future you. You told me this:

China, a country with 4x the population of the US, has surpassed GDP of USA. That’s embarrassing because China with 4x the population of USA should at least have 100 trillions GDP. China despite having 4x the population of USA in GDP is lacking the productive and wealthy of USA and it shows how absurdly productive and wealthy the United States are despite being 4x smaller than China.

No need to feel insulted with me. Your future you has spoken to me, i just passed the message from the future.

Every time I see some one pull the Soviet Union card I know their saying that out of pure emotion and anti Americanism.

The Bloomberg news is the one pulling the Sovjet Union card. So are you claiming some american newsreporter who is pulling the Soviet Union card is the one who is emotional? In this case you are 100% right then. USA is too emotional and still stuck in the cold war anti- sovjet mentality.

 

[comci]

We can first lead the world to a multipolar era. Secondly, we can refuse the free convertibility of CNY. If the dollar collapses and CNY cannot be exchanged, the world currencies will inevitably diversify, which is also conducive to the development of communism.
China can first enter socialism similar to northern Europe, and then find an opportunity to realize communism.
We can wait, even for a thousand years.

Most people want the western europe style of socialism and not 100% pure communism because communism have not work well in practice as history has proven it. You can wait for 100% communism all you want but it wont come. That period is long gone everywhere in the world. Even current China is no more communist country. It is communist only in name to hangs into power and fools the citizen. At best China is now socialist mixed with ethnoationalist and capitalism. Every seen pure communist country with stock exchanges? If yes, that would be a contradictio in terminis on how communist should be.

 

[MH.Yang]

Most people want the western europe style of socialism and not 100% pure communism because communism have not work well in practice as history has proven it. You can wait for 100% communism all you want but it wont come. That period is long gone everywhere in the world. Even current China is no more communist country. It is communist only in name to hangs into power and fools the citizen. At best China is now socialist mixed with ethnoationalist and capitalism. Every seen pure communist country with stock exchanges? If yes, that would be a contradictio in terminis on how communist should be.

I agree that we should first enter Nordic style socialism. But socialism is only the transitional stage of communism. Sooner or later, we will enter a communist society. It is only a matter of time.

 

[comci]

I agree that we should first enter Nordic style socialism. But socialism is only the transitional stage of communism. Sooner or later, we will enter a communist society. It is only a matter of time.

So after achieving the status of western europe/nordic style socialism, which is very comfortably for every citizen, the next step will be turning this socialist system which have proven to be solid for decades into communist system style like Cuba, Venezuela and North-Korea? I can tell you spend too much in the nostalgia of communist ideology which failed every time it spread its wings. Open your eyes and be realistic what is possible and what is not. Chinese survive world wide through the history because chinese refuse to stick to one system, ideology etc. The hallmark of being chinese is being pragmatic!