Blood telegram : A fact about innocent Biharis

[Arefin007]

I didnt want to bring that aspect of it. Religious discussions etc. I myself have tired out on discussing that part of it. I may retreat from political side of it soon too. I find myself going in circles with the same regular crowd.



Out of your experience in UK, what is the split in sylhetis there between supporting Bangladesh and Pakistan? Of the latter ones, would they rather be part of India than Bangladesh?

Sylhetis arrived in Britain in two en masse migrations- one in the 60s and the other one in the 70s. Those who came in the 60s hold quite strong pro-Pakistan sentiments and were quite vocal in their support of Pakistan in the '71 civil war, since secession of East Pakistan meant automatic exclusion of Sylhet as well (does anyone see parallels with the Scottish dilemma on Brexit or is it just me?) The third and fourth generations of these families still love Pakistan more than anything and I am quite happy to be part of this vibrant group

The '70s immigrants are a different case altogether. Those of whom still have relatives in Bangladesh are pro-Bangladesh and have readily accepted the Awami version of '71 for obvious reasons. But the third and fourth generation immigrants support Bangladesh as well as Pakistan. Sylhetis on the whole are more religious and conservative than Bengalis, so religion is a binding factor here. To summarize, Sylhetis are more pro-Pakistan than pro-Bangladesh. You can see our leanings on pdf for yourself

As for the joining India part, absolutely no Sylheti wants to join India. They would much rather be in a Muslim-majority country. Its part of the reason why we voted for Pakistan in the '47 referendum. Religion is very important for us

 

[Nilgiri]

It is cute when the Jamatis and Indians talk in the same tone.

Jamatis may be vicious and morally devoid people in many things....but that does not mean they are entirely wrong about everything.

Sylhetis arrived in Britain in two en masse migrations- one in the 60s and the other one in the 70s. Those who came in the 60s hold quite strong pro-Pakistan sentiments and were quite vocal in their support of Pakistan in the '71 civil war, since secession of East Pakistan meant automatic exclusion of Sylhet as well (does anyone see parallels with the Scottish dilemma on Brexit or is it just me?) The third and fourth generations of these families still love Pakistan more than anything and I am quite happy to be part of this vibrant group

The '70s immigrants are a different case altogether. Those of whom still have relatives in Bangladesh are pro-Bangladesh and have readily accepted the Awami version of '71 for obvious reasons. But the third and fourth generation immigrants support Bangladesh as well as Pakistan. Sylhetis on the whole are more religious and conservative than Bengalis, so religion is a binding factor here. To summarize, Sylhetis are more pro-Pakistan than pro-Bangladesh. You can see our leanings on pdf for yourself

As for the joining India part, absolutely no Sylheti wants to join India. They would much rather be in a Muslim-majority country. Its part of the reason why we voted for Pakistan in the '47 referendum. Religion is very important for us

I see. Is sylheti your mother tongue? Would you say its a different language to Bengali?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

It is cute when the Jamatis and Indians talk in the same tone.

Pardon me, I don't see much difference between Jamaatis and others. It does not bother me what your internal politics is. Whether you kill your atheists, ban alcohol or eat Hindus - it does not concern me. Yes, I would like your Hindus and Buddhists to come to India. They are educated, skilled and will be a valuable input. As for everything else - it really does not matter. If the aim is to dismember India, there will be repercussions. Jamaatis/BAL/etc anyone unlucky enough to face it will fall. Hasina knows this and with our money and support is helping us further our goals.

Oh, sorry. I mean she is a free and sovereign leader.

 

[kobiraaz]

Sylhetis arrived in Britain in two en masse migrations- one in the 60s and the other one in the 70s. Those who came in the 60s hold quite strong pro-Pakistan sentiments and were quite vocal in their support of Pakistan in the '71 civil war, since secession of East Pakistan meant automatic exclusion of Sylhet as well (does anyone see parallels with the Scottish dilemma on Brexit or is it just me?) The third and fourth generations of these families still love Pakistan more than anything and I am quite happy to be part of this vibrant group

The '70s immigrants are a different case altogether. Those of whom still have relatives in Bangladesh are pro-Bangladesh and have readily accepted the Awami version of '71 for obvious reasons. But the third and fourth generation immigrants support Bangladesh as well as Pakistan. Sylhetis on the whole are more religious and conservative than Bengalis, so religion is a binding factor here. To summarize, Sylhetis are more pro-Pakistan than pro-Bangladesh. You can see our leanings on pdf for yourself

As for the joining India part, absolutely no Sylheti wants to join India. They would much rather be in a Muslim-majority country. Its part of the reason why we voted for Pakistan in the '47 referendum. Religion is very important for us

Bhai You will be lynched in the streets of Sylhet if you preach it openly. How many times have you been to Bangladesh actually?

 

[TopCat]

Bhai You will be lynched in the streets of Sylhet if you preach it openly. How many times have you been to Bangladesh actually?

Well in UK there are mosque based community where both PK and Bengalis mingle. They do co-exist and do some brother brother thingy.

But I tell you, when you are in real problem and somebody beat you up, you will not find any Pakistani near you. I will have to admit one thing about Indians that they always come forward when there is any deshi in distress specially in foreign land.

 

[haviZsultan]

Sylhetis arrived in Britain in two en masse migrations- one in the 60s and the other one in the 70s. Those who came in the 60s hold quite strong pro-Pakistan sentiments and were quite vocal in their support of Pakistan in the '71 civil war, since secession of East Pakistan meant automatic exclusion of Sylhet as well (does anyone see parallels with the Scottish dilemma on Brexit or is it just me?) The third and fourth generations of these families still love Pakistan more than anything and I am quite happy to be part of this vibrant group

The '70s immigrants are a different case altogether. Those of whom still have relatives in Bangladesh are pro-Bangladesh and have readily accepted the Awami version of '71 for obvious reasons. But the third and fourth generation immigrants support Bangladesh as well as Pakistan. Sylhetis on the whole are more religious and conservative than Bengalis, so religion is a binding factor here. To summarize, Sylhetis are more pro-Pakistan than pro-Bangladesh. You can see our leanings on pdf for yourself

As for the joining India part, absolutely no Sylheti wants to join India. They would much rather be in a Muslim-majority country. Its part of the reason why we voted for Pakistan in the '47 referendum. Religion is very important for us

I wish we were as loyal and accomodating to Bengalis or even Biharis as you are. I have a deep respect for Bengal and Bengalis. Beautiful people who sacrificed much for Pakistan. Sad that west Pakistani policies, our policies divided the land-and no one even wants to go back to the way Jinnah envisioned things.

 

[Arefin007]

Jamatis may be vicious and morally devoid people in many things....but that does not mean they are entirely wrong about everything.



I see. Is sylheti your mother tongue? Would you say its a different language to Bengali?

Yes it is

Sylheti is a bit different than Bengali and not mutually intelligible. It is easier for Sylheti speaker to pick up Bengali than the other way round. Sylheti uses a lot of Farsi words and doesn't have much Sanskrit loanwords like Bengali. Also we use 'f' in our words instead of 'p' like "peyese" becomes "faise" so on

 

[TopCat]

Yes it is

Sylheti is a bit different than Bengali and not mutually intelligible. It is easier for Sylheti speaker to pick up Bengali than the other way round. Sylheti uses a lot of Farsi words and doesn't have much Sanskrit loanwords like Bengali. Also we use 'f' in our words instead of 'p' like "peyese" becomes "faise" so on

Ohh come on!! First learn what Sanskrit words are. Do you have a Bengali grammar book?

 

[TopCat]

No its very much "atyachaar" Am I right

ar oziyot chalan na pahleez

I am a sylheti myself, yu need to rephrase it. is it sylheti or pashtu?

 

[kobiraaz]

Plz come to Whitechapel once spew your '71 rhetoric See how nice treatment you get from Sylhetis here


You aren't Sylheti. You are Bengali Doesn't know meaning of "oziyot"

I mean to say (in your language Bengali) : aar koto ottachar chalaben, ebar theme jan plz

Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury is living in london and attending programs and commenting about Rajakars like your grand pa. Nobody Lynched him yet. Hollow words Arefin. Grow up.

 

[TopCat]

You aren't Sylheti. You are Bengali Doesn't know meaning of "oziyot"

I mean to say (in your language Bengali) : aar koto ottachar chalaben, ebar theme jan plz

I am not aware of the word Ozyot, probaly a sub dialect of some sect or group. we say otyachar as sylheti.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

But now that underlying nature of these BAL-loving Bangladeshis are coming out in so many threads in this forum....how they want to break up the very country that aided them in their struggle. I was very surprised when I came to this forum to know this side of them, this hate for anything bigger or more powerful and more expansive than them. The inability to just be content with what they got and improve it as best they can. Some have even made me regret at times that India helped them to achieve their goal....the way they have no connection to that war yet still talk of it as though they do and that no country can exist in south asia with multi-ethnic populations.

They felt this way with union in Pakistan....they are now feeling it again being neighbour of big Dada. This nature is not going away.....it may very well be their undoing at some point....but I hope they change and see the error of their thinking. If not, it will be the natural conclusion for them....for all crazed ingrates.

Your assertion of Bangladeshi patriots are against any country more powerful than BD is a horseshit.We love China's power and might.See how nicely China put India in it's place.We love Russian power and might when they challenge wrong western policies and we love western power and might when they use it for just causes,like liberation of Kosovo,Kuwait or defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.Now we also love Pakistani military power to check Indian hegemony in South Asia,although we hate it for it's role in 1971.

You hate Chinese power,western power, because it doesn't suit you.Every country have unique circumstances from which to select their friend/enemy.Why do you expect Bangladeshi people to see the world through indian prism?

 

[Sine Nomine]

@Nilgiri bro there are books by many former fighters of that war including Major Dalim,another book behind the myth of three million and last and well know Dead Reckoning by sharmila Bose.
The last Genocide was in Rwanda in which at least 2million humans got killed in course of few months and it's aftereffects are still visible in that country.war in Iraq killed more then million in course of 10+ years and you know effects.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

They had to leave their homes in a country where they could never return..you think it was very easy for them? Least we could do was provide shelter and make them feel at home in their new country.

How could anyone love Bihari razakar like your forefather when your folks were busy undermining East Pakistan's legitimate interest and acting like ruler of east Pakistan because you have the blessing of distant west Pakistani politician/general? You were the tiny minority in east pakistan,living at the goodwill of vast majority Bengali population here.You should have formed alliance with Bengali population and demand rights for east Pakistan as it is also your home.But instead, you acted against host community and wanted to rule/exploit it with the blessing of distant patronizer.You could not become son of the soil and acted like a parasite undermining the body hosting you.So you got in 1971 what you asked for.Don't cry here for the disaster upon your community solely created by your own stupidity and arrogance.

 

[TopCat]

How could anyone love Bihari razakar like your forefather when your folks were busy undermining East Pakistan's legitimate interest and acting like ruler of east Pakistan because you have the blessing of distant west Pakistani politician/general? You were the tiny minority in east pakistan,living at the goodwill of vast majority Bengali population here.You should have formed alliance with Bengali population and demand rights for east Pakistan as it is also your home.But instead, you acted against host community and wanted to rule/exploit it with the blessing of distant patronizer.You could not become son of the soil and acted like a parasite undermining the body hosting you.So you got in 1971 what you asked for.Don't cry here for the disaster upon your community solely created by your own stupidity and arrogance.

One of my cousin's hubby was a major in PK army that time and fought in Sialkot for PK army. He chose to return despite knowing that he could face backlash. He did get his job back but without promotion. He did not join the force but never boast and undermined Bangldesh ever. He did what he suppose to do, followed order and fought.

Nobody ever called him Razakar except close family members and always respected for his role in army.

@Arefin007 grandfather was also in PK army but he could not return to Bangldesh and barred from returning till this day. I wonder why.. he needs to ask his grandfather and demand a correct answer.