Blast in Pune

[Valiant_Soul]

I have yet to see any world government support the Indian claim that the Pakistani State or its institutions were involved in the terrorism in Mumbai or elsewhere. That is a continuous Indian rant only. Nor is Pakistan declared a State sponsor of terrorism, obviously, since there is no evidence supporting that Indian allegation.

Okay, then please enlighten yourself.

Clear Link Between ISI And Terrorist Groups (Full text of British foreign secretary's statement in the House of Commons on June 10, 2002.)

LeT behind Mumbai attacks: Gordon Brown

26/11 trial: FBI agent testifies, US envoy says Pak must act

Pakistan is the real hub of terrorism says German envoy

Israel and Japan also are of the same opinion.

We have supported an insurgency against Indian occupation in Kashmir, but Kashmir is internationally recognized dispute territory, and to declare that support terrorism means India is a State sponsor of terrorism through it support for East Pakistan terrorists in 1971 and raising the LTTE, and the US is a State Sponsor of terrorism through its support for insurgent groups and militias in Latin America and Asia, many of whom committed horrible atrocities in the nations in which they were supported.

Now please, let us not deviate to that. This has been discussed to death. There is no point in discussing the same stuffs again. The only one thing that is important is what you want to do with your future. With all these, it is up to you to decide which way you want to go from hereon.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Is this guy really a moderator?

Wow, I think I'll consider it an honour to get banned by such an illustrious character, anyway it'll take 5 minutes to renew my ip and make a new account.

Do so - it takes me ten seconds to ban the ID that resorts to similar kind of posts. I don't have to know whether it is you again or not. You'll be banned for the trash content of your posts.

Goodbye.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Okay, then please enlighten yourself.

Clear Link Between ISI And Terrorist Groups (Full text of British foreign secretary's statement in the House of Commons on June 10, 2002.)

Link between the groups sure - supported them in carrying our terrorism. No - there are no claims of that.

LeT behind Mumbai attacks: Gordon Brown

26/11 trial: FBI agent testifies, US envoy says Pak must act

Pakistan is the real hub of terrorism says German envoy

More at : Pakistan is the real hub of terrorism says German envoy http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/pakistan-is-the-real-hub-of-terrorism-says-german-envoy_100311679.html#ixzz0fWdA9J4k

Israel and Japan also are of the same opinion.
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Again, nothing in those links directly blaming the ISI or other institutions for terrorism.

The US accepts for example that the ISI maintains links with the Taliban (and we accept, since we need to know what they are upto, as does any intelligence agency - which the US also accepts).

But maintaining links is not the same as supporting their operations against ISAF nor is maintaining links the same as supporting attacks like Mumbai, which from a geo-strategic standpoint have zero value for Pakistan.

So try again.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Did that take ten seconds? Maybe 5 ...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

OK - enough fun.

Back to topic please, and keep the accusations against Pakistan to a minimum, unless there is credible evidence supporting those accusations.

 

[Valiant_Soul]

Link between the groups sure - supported them in carrying our terrorism. No - there are no claims of that.

The US accepts for example that the ISI maintains links with the Taliban (and we accept, since we need to know what they are upto, as does any intelligence agency - which the US also accepts).

Okay if I am understanding what you are trying to say is that ISI maintains links with such groups to know what they are up to? That is really smart, why even have informers, simply handshake with them.

What about cease-fires each year at LoC, the heavy firings across the border to sneak in infiltrators? What about the UN banned JuD rallying in the heart of Pakistan? Where are all those terrorist outfits located that also finds their name in the UN, US, UK, etc list of terrorist organizations? Why does US, UK, etc have to remind you every now and then to dismantle terrorist outfits and infrastructure? Why did Musharraf agreed to dismantle them at the Agra summit if there are none?

Please, this has a history of 15 years. You cannot fool us away from what we have come to know from all these years. You can, however, conveniently ignore all that and wait for the day when war begins, if that is what you want.

But maintaining links is not the same as supporting their operations against ISAF nor is maintaining links the same as supporting attacks like Mumbai, which from a geo-strategic standpoint have zero value for Pakistan.

Oh no, yer not that innocent. Pakistan knows that the biggest strength of India is its economy and it is desperate to slow down the growth of economy. I am not saying each attack is orchestrated by ISI, but Pakistan does not cares if these groups want to hit India. That only makes them think in terms of positive development.

 

[Veer]

Do so - it takes me ten seconds to ban the ID that resorts to similar kind of posts. I don't have to know whether it is you again or not. You'll be banned for the trash content of your posts.

Goodbye.

@AgNoStIc MuSliM

The fanboi has been rude and should not used any derogatory comments.

But you should also understand the guys are hurt because of the blast.

And they are getting emotionally charged up, it can damage goodwill and relationship.

Also, There are many Pakistani members who are unnecessary posting garbage.

I request u to please give some concession keeping in mind emotional and tragic incident.

BTW, it is my suggestion and u r the mod here and i like most of your decisions.

thanks

 

[qsaark]

Is this guy really a moderator?

Wow, I think I'll consider it an honour to get banned by such an illustrious character, anyway it'll take 5 minutes to renew my ip and make a new account.

So you got the 'honor' you were looking for; be thankful for this favor and now, try your luck in some other forum. Good bye.

 

[Kinshuk]

I love the way the GERMAN BAKERY got bombed is being played up. From the pictures, it was more or less nothing more than a dhaba style place, a very puny insignificant target when it comes to India-Pak affairs.

Dhaba Style.. yes it is.. If you come to Pune and visit German Bakery you would wish to stay for a day more in the city.. Don't go by its name.. I have been in pune for 4 years now and it is one of the best places to EAT, for foreigners, I don't like it.. It is mostly foreign stuff but the crowd is mouth watering. People come from 20 25 kms just to have a smoke.. I was there the same day blast took place( day time).

Just for those who don't know, it is not just a bakery,

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Oh no, yer not that innocent. Pakistan knows that the biggest strength of India is its economy and it is desperate to slow down the growth of economy. I am not saying each attack is orchestrated by ISI, but Pakistan does not cares if these groups want to hit India. That only makes them think in terms of positive development.

More on the rest later, but the strength of any country is its economy, and if economic damage is to be considered a motive, the extremely sophisticated and complex attacks on Pakistani targets, military, intelligence and civilian, are clear indicators that India has been trying to destroy Pakistan's economy.

The argument that a lone attack in Mumbai is somehow going to dent the economy of India is preposterous, and it only shows how brainwashed Indians are that they actually believe this BS.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Okay if I am understanding what you are trying to say is that ISI maintains links with such groups to know what they are up to? That is really smart, why even have informers, simply handshake with them.

BTW, what I said was based on a direct quote by General Petraeus in an interview, where he also accepted that the US military/intelligence do the same, so take it up with the professionals.

What about cease-fires each year at LoC, the heavy firings across the border to sneak in infiltrators? What about the UN banned JuD rallying in the heart of Pakistan? Where are all those terrorist outfits located that also finds their name in the UN, US, UK, etc list of terrorist organizations? Why does US, UK, etc have to remind you every now and then to dismantle terrorist outfits and infrastructure? Why did Musharraf agreed to dismantle them at the Agra summit if there are none?

What about them? IMO it is the India Army that initiates those exchanges and ceasefire violations. And the various terrorist groups are located primarily in lawless FATA and Afghanistan, where ISAF and the PA are fighting to reassert control. The West keeps yelling 'do more' as if we have a money tree and unlimited military supplies and financial resources. Notice they have largely shut up now. We will do things on our time as our resources allow us to.

Please, this has a history of 15 years. You cannot fool us away from what we have come to know from all these years. You can, however, conveniently ignore all that and wait for the day when war begins, if that is what you want.

There is a history of 15 years of supporting insurgents fighting Indian occupation of J&K and the oppression of its residents. There is no history of the Pakistani State or its institutions supporting terrorism.

So please, stop spreading dishonest propaganda.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@AgNoStIc MuSliM

The fanboi has been rude and should not used any derogatory comments.

But you should also understand the guys are hurt because of the blast.

And they are getting emotionally charged up, it can damage goodwill and relationship.

Also, There are many Pakistani members who are unnecessary posting garbage.

I request u to please give some concession keeping in mind emotional and tragic incident.

BTW, it is my suggestion and u r the mod here and i like most of your decisions.

thanks

Do you not think about how outraged Pakistanis are over the terrorism in Pakistan, and do you not think of how outraged we become when baseless allegations that the Pakistani State is supporting terrorism are made?

This is a two way street - which is why my first post in this thread was that Indians and others, who have often criticized Pakistanis for accusing India without credible evidence, should apply the same yardstick here and refrain from making allegations and in fact step in to correct other Indians who do, and therefore set an example.

 

[Valiant_Soul]

More on the rest later, but the strength of any country is its economy, and if economic damage is to be considered a motive, the extremely sophisticated and complex attacks on Pakistani targets, military, intelligence and civilian, are clear indicators that India has been trying to destroy Pakistan's economy.

Yeah why not. India certainly wants to see a destabilize Pakistan so it can have more headaches at night. All your claims and arguments are sane and ours are doomed to be imbecile because we are Indians.

The argument that a lone attack in Mumbai is somehow going to dent the economy of India is preposterous, and it only shows how brainwashed Indians are that they actually believe this BS.

You have no idea how much business India has lost due to that. Brainwashed Indians? I am not sure if it is even appropriate now to continue with this conversation. I think it is best to leave you to the path you have chosen.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You have no idea how much business India has lost due to that. Brainwashed Indians?

And how much business do you think Pakistan has lost from the hundreds, not one, sophisticated and complex terrorist attacks in almost every major city in Pakistan?

 

[weaponx]

Do you not think about how outraged Pakistanis are over the terrorism in Pakistan, and do you not think of how outraged we become when baseless allegations that the Pakistani State is supporting terrorism are made?

This is a two way street - which is why my first post in this thread was that Indians and others, who have often criticized Pakistanis for accusing India without credible evidence, should apply the same yardstick here and refrain from making allegations and in fact step in to correct other Indians who do, and therefore set an example.

ok....indians in the forum were aghast with the insensitivity of the pakistani members and the mods here...

even the blood of the dead have not dried yesterday and some pakistani members have started saying its bcoz of kashmir and all nonsense...without any proof and documents

If it was indian members doing in similar situation involving pakistan..they will be promptly banned..and rightly so..but y is it not applicable to pakistani members too??y the same yardstick is not applied to pakistani members....?

is it bcoz u think indian blood is cheap or what??

then atleast put a note in the first page of the forum saying what is the level of tolerance applied to ppl from different nationalities