Blasphemy laws: ‘MQM will protect Pakistan from religious tyranny’

[53fd]

And I have personally seen how Urdu speakers are treated in Punjab. They call us Hindustanis there and question our loyalty. It looks like Pakistan was made only for Punjabis. No one else should have even come to this land.

I have no problem with anyone who supports MQM. I personally don't like them.

However what you are saying is very disturbing. Noone hates urdu speakers. You don't see any target killing here because of ethnicity. Punjabis have big heart. Being a Punjabi, i have never questioned anyone. Racist people exist everywhere. Ignore them. If anyone questions your loyality then question them first. Replying to the racist post in the same racist way will make you no different. Infact you are justifying their racism.

Besides your assessment is far from truth. It must be your individual experience but my Urdu speaking friends never said such things. People of all ethnicities live in each other provinces. Noone had a problem with that. Why you have it? Anyone good for you. You found a racist match here like Omar.

I agree Mehru ji with your assessment 100%. I personally feel the Urdu speaking people in Punjab are much more integrated into 'mainstream Pakistan' than the Urdu speaking people in Karachi are. Urdu speaking people in Karachi are found in huge numbers, so they stay in their own groups. Same is for the Shias, the Shias of Karachi only stay with each other. However, speaking as an Urdu speaking person who has lived in Islamabad & Lahore, the Urdu speaking people in Punjab are much more integrated with Punjabis & other ethnicities. I am also fluent in Punjabi, even though it is not my 1st language. No one mentions that I am Shia or an Urdu speaking person. No one who loves Pakistan can be called a Hindustani by any Pakistani ethnicity. I've never heard any Urdu speaking people (besides maybe Hoodbhoy on TV for obvious reasons, although I respect his opinion but don't agree with him at all) being called a Hindustani. I still feel that more understanding between the different ethnicities of Pakistan needs to be developed, but this comes from talking, establishing unity & expressing our love for Pakistan. This is why our religious identity is important for us. Because our religious identity is our national identity, & without the religious aspect in our national identity, our ethnic differences/clashes > national identity. Although I personally feel being a Pakistani is & should be enough, but the religious identity integrated into our national identity ensures we don't face huge problems from ethnic clashes in the country.

 

[53fd]

However what you are saying is very disturbing. Noone hates urdu speakers. You don't see any target killing here because of ethnicity. Punjabis have big heart. Being a Punjabi, i have never questioned anyone. Racist people exist everywhere. Ignore them. If anyone questions your loyality then question them first. Replying to the racist post in the same racist way will make you no different. Infact you are justifying their racism.

Don't feel sorrow for the Urdu speaking people in Pakistan, we are a strong community, we don't feel like outsiders in Pakistan. If some Mohajirs, Pakhtuns, Sindhis or any other ethnicity feels like they are not made to feel that they belong to this country, they're just insecure about themselves. Pakistan is our own country, & we love it with all our heart. Jinnah was also a Mohajir. We also love our fellow Pakistanis coming from all other ethnicities equally, & we pledge to unite with everyone (liberals, moderates, conservatives) to make Pakistan a better place. InshaAllah we will, I have no doubt over that. Speaking as a ethnic Bihari living in Pakistani, I have never been made to feel like an outsider. That's the truth.

 

[Truth Teller]

Stopped reporting his racist posts infact its rather helping members to understand the sc*m we have within our society

No need to be so hypocriitical and childish about the situation. You have also openly insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan.

Though I dont fully agree with Omar, he did speak some truth. I think most Pakistani members here know where Omar Is coming from.....

 

[53fd]

No need to be hyporcitical and childish about the situation. You have also openly insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan.

Though I dont fully agree with Omar, he did speak some truth. I think most Pakistani members here know where Omar Is coming from.....

Sorry, don't agree with this. Why does Omar single out Urdu speaking people who support the MQM for all the ills in Karachi? I personally feel no Mohajir should be insulting Pakhtuns & vice versa. We are all Pakistanis. No one is superior to anyone else.

 

[Truth Teller]

Sorry, don't agree with this. Why does Omar single out Urdu speaking people who support the MQM for all the ills in Karachi? I personally feel no Mohajir should be insulting Pakhtuns & vice versa. We are all Pakistanis. No one is superior to anyone else.

He singles out the Urdu-speakers because he dislikes the Urdu-speakers.
Becuase alot (not all Urdu-speakers) of Urdu-speakers show affection towards india (more than any other ethnicity in Pakistan)... And also majority of Pakistanis (not just Omar or Punjabis) will never forgive Altaf for what he said in india against Pakistan.

MQM is hated by majority of Pakistanis.

I agree with you, no single ethnicity is superior in front of another ethnicity.

And I dont think it's fair to blame all of the problems in Karachi on the MQM, though in my personal opinion they are the main fault (not all of the problems in Karachi are their fault though).


Let's stop this ethnic thing here please.

 

[53fd]

Becuase alot (not all Urdu-speakers) of Urdu-speakers show affection towards india (more than any other ethnicity in Pakistan)... And also majority of Pakistanis (not just Omar or Punjabis) will never forgive Altaf for what he said in india against Pakistan.

MQM is hated by majority of Pakistanis.

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that a lot of Urdu speakers show affection towards India. Jinnah was a Mohajir, as was Dr.A.Q.Khan. If they did, then there should have been separatist movements coming out from Sindh. Yet, we see movements of Pakhtunistan coming out of parts of FATA & KPK. But that is understandable, because Afghan Pakhtuns are our Muslim brothers, doesn't matter if they want to break off Pakistan. I understand that the majority of Pakhtuns are not like this, but you have to understand that the majority of the Urdu speakers do not love India in any way. But let me tell you, you keep up this anti-Mohajir brigade against the Urdu speakers, & you will push away the Urdu speakers that are full of love for Pakistan. This is the last thing Pakistan needs, we all need to stand by Pakistan right now. So you need to be careful of the words you are using, & get out of this petty mindset. A little honest perspective is needed.

No Mohajir, Sindhi has started a separatist movement; despite the Hindu influences found in the Sindh province. You honestly do not understand the core problem. MQM is hated by those who do not understand them. Those who understand the fact that they have transformed their image of hooliganism into one of a moderate, mainstream, all-inclusive Pakistani party love them. I don't see what Altaf Hussain (although I personally hate the guy, but not his party's agenda) has said wrong, when Pashtun nationalists openly talk about breaking up Pakistan to form Pashtunistan or Greater Afghanistan right inside Pakistan! But I do not blame Pakhtuns for this, neither do I shun the ANP. The ANP is a registered party which has the right to express its beliefs. But we need to understand the parties & the situation in Karachi before we start commenting on these sensitive issues.

 

[pak-marine]

=Truth Teller;1551370]No need to be so hypocriitical and childish about the situation. You have also openly insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan

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I challenge you to find A post where i have directly insulted another ethinicity .. and when you FAIL come here appologise like a man other wise in my opinion you will be nothing more than a dirty rat also please change your name to dumb_ ignorant

Though I dont fully agree with Omar, he did speak some truth. I think most Pakistani members here know where Omar Is coming from.....

ahh ok why dont you use your brain cell explain where is he coming from ?

 

[Frankenstein]

MOM should rather protect themselves, there leader is a pu$$y hiding somewhere in the other part of the world

 

[Truth Teller]

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I challenge you to find A post where i have directly insulted another ethinicity .. and when you FAIL come here appologise like a man other wise in my opinion you will be nothing more than a dirty rat also please change your name to dumb_ ignorant

I'm not a dirty rat. I'm not going to change my name to "dumb_ignorant".

And please, dont talk about being a man to others. Your coming here and denying the fact you have insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan?

You made this post: (And i've read other similiar posts like this from you. And yes, it is offensive towards other ethnicities in Pakistan)

3.35 million illegal immigrants ... woof .. wtf , just wonder at times why the hel none in punjab ... forget illegals they are hostile to pushtoons as there are no massive settlements of pushtoons ... fail to understand which drain all the liberalism and pakistaniat flows when it comes to punjab .. thats very unfair

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...llegal-immigrants-country-living-karachi.html

ahh ok why dont you use your brain cell explain where is he coming from ?

He's saying Urdu-speakers show most affection towards india in Pakistan.

Also he spoke against MQM, because your MQM leader said this:

 

[pak-marine]

E=Truth Teller;1551768]I'm not a dirty rat. I'm not going to change my name to "dumb_ignorant".


And please, dont talk about being a man to others. Your coming here and denying the fact you have insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan?
You made this post:

pak-marine 3.35 million illegal immigrants ... woof .. wtf , just wonder at times why the hel none in punjab ... forget illegals they are hostile to pushtoons as there are no massive settlements of pushtoons ... fail to understand which drain all the liberalism and pakistaniat flows when it comes to punjab .. thats very unfair

(And i've read other similiar posts like this from you. And yes, it is offensive towards other ethnicities in Pakistan)

out of my few thousand posts this post is what you found also where and how have a i insulted also specify which ethinicty ?
If in your twisted dictionary a real and geniune question is insulting than you need help or you are rather twisting facts to support your silly claim that i have insulted any ethinicty.

 

[Truth Teller]

out of my few thousand posts this post is what you found also where and how have a i insulted also specify which ethinicty ?
If in your twisted dictionary a real and geniune question is insulting than you need help or you are rather twisting facts to support your silly claim that i have insulted any ethinicty.

Not just this one post, but you've made other posts like this too. It doesnt matter if it's one post or a thausand posts. You still did insult other ethnicities of Pakistan. Your post was offensive towards Punjabis.

Real and genuine question? Omar's posts can also be called "real and genuine", because alot of people will agree with him.

It's you who is backing off now, and trying to twist facts.

 

[53fd]

He's saying Urdu-speakers show most affection towards india in Pakistan.

Also he spoke against MQM, because your MQM leader said this:

So, how did you come to the conclusion that the majority of the Urdu speaking people think like, or follow/support what Altaf Hussain say?

Please avoid the name calling, he is our Pakistani brother, & if we disagree with his posts, we should try to convince him using rational arguments. Thanks

Are you claiming that the MQM deliberately wants illegal immigration to increase in Karachi? Do you know where the 'source of this illegal immigration comes from', & do you know how virulently the MQM has been against illegal immigrants, & as a result of this stance, the MQM has been called all kinds of things because it is 'apparently racist to other minorities & Muslim brothers that choose to live in Pakistan illegally?' Do you know that it is the ANP that calls the MQM all these things? Do you know that it is these illegal immigrants the MQM has clamped down on & called for the extradition for, but the ANP has opposed this, & blamed the MQM of being racist? Do you know that it is these illegal immigrants that have been involved in the land mafia in Karachi?

 

[Karachiite]

Is liking India a crime now? What about Pakhtuns that like Afghanistan? Should they be now singled out and their loyalty questioned. Now I know why many muslims remained in India they probably feared this discrimination would happen. Sucks for the 7 million Muhajirs that came to Pakistan leaving behind all their wealth, properties, family etc and while on their way they faced riots, genocides etc. Now these same people are being traitors.
Even in the 90's we faced a genocide where thousands of innocent Urdu Speakers were butchered by the Army and Punjabi Establishment.

And this is for all the people barking about what Altaf Hussain said in India

 

[mehru]

Ok Guys! It's a request to all of you to end this discussion. We should not fight amongst ourselves. We are just Pakistanis and nothing else. We share sorrows and happiness of each and our future lies with each other. Why so much hate and prejudice? If someone still has some ill feelings then discuss it in a civilized way.I hope noone will further comment on this sensitive issue. Thanks in advace.

Let's discuss the topic.
MQM supporters should tell me that why they think that MQM will really help to fight extremism? Ok i know they are liberal but so are the parties like PPP and ANP. We have seen that how PPP is helpless right now. Don't know guys think after coming in power, MQM will behave the same way?

 

[53fd]

I personally favor any party & any figure who does not play the ethnicity card, & honestly wants Pakistan to prosper, & unites the people rather than dividing them. We are all Pakistanis, & we love Pakistan, & we can't thank enough for Pakistan day after day.