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Blasphemy laws: ‘MQM will protect Pakistan from religious tyranny’

I have personally never seen PPP or ANP making statements against extremism or terrorists. MQM is the only party that speaks against it and in return we pay for the damage. MQM was the same party that warned everyone that Taliban are moving into Karachi but at that time the goverment and everyone else just laughed their sick a**** off. MQM also actively rallies against Terrorism, never seen ANP or PPP do that.
MQM nazim Mustafa Kamal also put cameras around the city to monitor crime and terrorism. After he left office the new Administrator( PPP guy that's not even from Karachi) came in and took them off.
 
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I have personally never seen PPP or ANP making statements against extremism or terrorists. MQM is the only party that speaks against it and in return we pay for the damage. MQM was the same party that warned everyone that Taliban are moving into Karachi but at that time the goverment and everyone else just laughed their sick a**** off. MQM also actively rallies against Terrorism, never seen ANP or PPP do that.
MQM nazim Mustafa Kamal also put cameras around the city to monitor crime and terrorism. After he left office the new Administrator( PPP guy that's not even from Karachi) came in and took them off.

ANP and PPP have lost their ministers too. Be fair in your criticism. How much they are committed can be questioned but noone can deny they are liberal and anti taliban.
 
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Not just this one post, but you've made other posts like this too. It doesnt matter if it's one post or a thausand posts. You still did insult other ethnicities of Pakistan. Your post was offensive towards Punjabis.

Real and genuine question? Omar's posts can also be called "real and genuine", because alot of people will agree with him.

It's you who is backing off now, and trying to twist facts.

i knew that you wont be able to describe how did you interpreted my post you quoted as "insulting a perticular ethinicity" ?? it was expected !! and here you are acting like a hippocrat now you on one hand you are writing back to Omar critisizing for his post against mohajirs and now omars post can be real and genuine ... !.. so comon be a man and upfront once in your life and make up your mind first which one is it ?
 
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ANP and PPP have lost their ministers too. Be fair in your criticism. How much they are committed can be questioned but noone can deny they are liberal and anti taliban.

You can say PPP are liberal but ANP being liberal and Anti Taliban? These ANP guys are hiding Taliban and Al Qaeda members in their safe houses in Northern Karachi. It was Shahi Syed of ANP that promised to turn Karachi into Kabul.
 
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i knew that you wont be able to describe how did you interpreted my post you quoted as "insulting a perticular ethinicity" ?? it was expected !! and here you are acting like a hippocrat now you on one hand you are writing back to Omar critisizing for his post against mohajirs and now omars post can be real and genuine ... !.. so comon be a man and upfront once in your life and make up your mind first which one is it ?

Brother please leave it. Enough is enough. No point in engaging in a discussion that proves detrimental to our unity. Provincialism is a very sensitive topic and we should be cautious while discussing it.
 
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ANP and PPP have lost their ministers too. Be fair in your criticism. How much they are committed can be questioned but noone can deny they are liberal and anti taliban.

Yes ANP & PPP have lost ministers However their party leaders or chairperson have never criticized religious tyranny nor blasphemy laws , Where as MQM -Altaf has openly criticized it ... there is a big difference which i am sure you understand ! also Altaf can only say this from abroad he has been critical to religious fundos since day one
 
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You can say PPP are liberal but ANP being liberal and Anti Taliban? These ANP guys are hiding Taliban and Al Qaeda members in their safe houses in Northern Karachi. It was Shahi Syed of ANP that promised to turn Karachi into Kabul.

I am only judging from their loss. They have suffered too and yes i certainly believe that there are black sheeps among them but calling them all taliban sympathizers will be unfair.
 
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Yes ANP & PPP have lost ministers However their party leaders or chairperson have never criticized religious tyranny nor blasphemy laws , Where as MQM -Altaf has openly criticized it ... there is a big difference which i am sure you understand ! also Altaf can only say this from abroad he has been critical to religious fundos since day one

No they did actually. Salman Taseer and Shehbaz Bhatti were from PPP.
 
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Brother please leave it. Enough is enough. No point in engaging in a discussion that proves detrimental to our unity. Provincialism is a very sensitive topic and we should be cautious while discussing it.

I am not this guy is accusing me of racist when i never said any thing wrong against particular ethnicity Nor i will ever ! he saw my post got carried away laid silly accusations when busted he doesnt have the heart to accept and appologise for his mistake ... Anyways i will ignore him for now
 
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No they did actually. Salman Taseer and Shehbaz Bhatti were from PPP.

yes they were indeed but i mentioned chairperson or decision maker .. did BB/zardari/bilawal or asfand wali ever spoke against ! no they wont nor they will
 
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yes they were indeed but i mentioned chairperson or decision maker .. did BB/zardari/bilawal or asfand wali ever spoke against ! no they wont nor they will

Actions speak louder than words. PPP tried to amend controversial blasphemy law and obviously not without the approval of main party leaders. However in the end they showed weakness and scrapped any such plan. Had they shown some courage, this blasphemy law wouldn't be such a crisis today.

As for ANP, i leave it to some ANP supporter to defend them. No idea about them.
 
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Didn't Altaf Hussein say the partition of the Indian subcontinent was a "great blunder in history"... Meaning he is against the creation of Pakistan, is this not verbally espousing treason. He should go live in India among his fellow countrymen since he loves it so much lol. This is MQM's leader, and sadly some people still support the party and it's leadership.


He calls the creation of Pakistan a "great blunder" that is just unacceptable.
 
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Why is he not banned? I guess the standard for premium members has gone down. I didn't know racist and stupid posts were allowed on here :disagree:

No no. We need the mullah perspective also on our forum. ;)


I'm not a dirty rat. I'm not going to change my name to "dumb_ignorant".

And please, dont talk about being a man to others. Your coming here and denying the fact you have insulted other ethnicities of Pakistan?

You made this post: (And i've read other similiar posts like this from you. And yes, it is offensive towards other ethnicities in Pakistan)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...llegal-immigrants-country-living-karachi.html

He's saying Urdu-speakers show most affection towards india in Pakistan.

Also he spoke against MQM, because your MQM leader said this:

Time and again this video is used against Altaf Hussain and by extension MQM. Even in this video, apparently Imran Khan wants the video to be shown. Whatever he said, followed up by his later explanations, does make sense from an academic and philosophical point of view. Neither does it mean he supports dismantling of Pakistani state. As for his calls for Indian leadership to watch out for Muhajirs, its akin to Pakistan's concern for Indian muslims. It is a political jab aimed at the people who he claims as discriminating against Muhajirs.

The rise of MQM as a student movement and its transformation into Muttahida Quami Movement has all the elements of revolutionary movements like JKLF, Prabhakaran's(LTTE fame, a bad example for a conclusion but a good example about how these movements gain popularity) TNT and shares similarities with many urban student groups that rose in India and later got assimilated into mainstream parties. Refer to RGVs movies like Raktacharita and Shiva(somebody told me his next movie is also of the same genre and all these have actual real life inspirations). Student movements like this in India started with the cause of a narrow people, caste in the case of RGV movie subjects. Later in life the same youth leaders become more inclusive and started to advocate wider group of people. The other criticisms calling MQM party leaders as traitors are pure BS. If it were not for Altaf's speech, MQM would have more support among Pakistanis.

Surely other MQM leaders also know this rite? Most of them are educated and are understandably intelligent. But they dont openly revolt, despite their qualifications, just to respect the party structure and also probably because they understood what he meant in his speech. No other party in Pakistan currently has this discipline. MQM's Rabita committee is the most democratic working committee among all the political parties. And may be this is the reason why they don't mess up their political strategy and PR like PP often does courtesy Rehman Malik:-)lol this man is seriously fit for a cartoon strip character) and others. May be the high average education levels also mean that illiterates dont tell the intellectuals what to do(the poor guy Hafeez Sheikh every time goes to the IMF with a handkerchief covering his face for his country's sake). In sum by way of tactical political moves MQM even goes close to Indian Congress like the way they are proving themselves to be liberal. Even with blasphemy laws Altaf asked the mullahs to review it, he did not force the change like a section of PPP tried to do. Isn't that a masterstroke? A stand that attracts both people who want the blasphemy laws out altogether(they will eventually settle for prevention of misuse if that proves viable) and the people who want it to stay(these people are prepared for the changes, their mullahs are going to scrutinize it after all, according to the great Altaf vision). In hindsight this seems to be the only practical way out of the draconian law.

The only other problem with MQM seems to be the violence in Karachi which is an ethnic strife with some leaders taking sides under some some political banners, again this is like the RGV movie faction fights. Watch his new movie(and todays situation in Vijaywada) and you will see that as one side grows up and embraces pluralism, like MQM did with changing its name and orientation, the parties will become less sectarian and people in the very same city, Karachi Pashtuns and Balochis included will forget that MQM was once against them. It is because parties like ANP and PPP are not seeking support in the troubled waters of Karachi, that these people(Pashtuns and other groups) are feeling that MQM is against them. With MQM declaring openly as a liberal nationalist party, in the absence of these side taking, MQM will become their natural option.

As for the rest of the Pakistani nation, I don't think they are ready to pick up MQM's liberal ideas, the ones that are ready are mired in history, conspiracy theories and mistake. So probably Sindh and Balochistan are the only places they might find some success. By showing themselves as a victim of the army actions, they can find sympathy as a plus point over their liberal credentials. In fact this way, they can build a bridge between the Baloch people and the Pakistani nation. But its a hard battle out there.



@BTW Karachiite : Is your uncle Azam Khan? :tongue:
 
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Lol yeah my uncle's Azam Khan, he could have been CM if it weren't for his big mouth :( but he's a great guy.
 
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You can say PPP are liberal but ANP being liberal and Anti Taliban? These ANP guys are hiding Taliban and Al Qaeda members in their safe houses in Northern Karachi. It was Shahi Syed of ANP that promised to turn Karachi into Kabul.

ANP is anti-Taliban only when it comes to their own province.
 
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