BJP’s IT army threatening & humiliating me: Delhi minority panel chief, HC order a relief

[Taimoor Khan]

this man was inviting foreign intervention inside internal affairs of india .

Violation of human rights is no internal issue of India.

But in a way the present situation serving the man right as he himself admitted that he lobbied for India many times in OIC over Kashmir issue. Now chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[Joe Shearer]

hypocrisy ki hadh


its high time now bro , INDIA was on a backline during congress gov. rule , people have become more patriotic now compare to when I was kid, resultant , bjp nationalist government comes to power for 2nd time with vast majority of votes, this shows the trend of future INDIA , by ditching congress and left parties.
##patriotism ## no one can alter our patriotism bro, its like anytime anywhere bring it onn.

Other than on PDF or in the streets of Delhi, where does this rush of blood to the head affect you?

 

[suyog chavan]

Other than on PDF or in the streets of Delhi, where does this rush of blood to the head affect you?

Nationalist are on the rise in INDIA .
Why would a pakistani adore Indian nationalist , and we dont want them to either.
So we dont expect a good and etiquette response from them.

 

[Clutch]

Very mature and balanced. Just what has come to be expected from a set of members

Hindus have no right to tell Muslims anything about Islam or Islamic culture.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nationalist are on the rise in INDIA .
Why would a pakistani adore Indian nationalist , and we dont want them to either.
So we dont expect a good and etiquette response from them.

What you expect from a Pakistani will depend on who the Pakistani is; he (or she) could be a dozen things.

What you expect from an Indian who loves India, but objects violently to the mess being made by those who call themselves nationalist, is also dependent on who the Indian is.

They may believe in peaceful resolution of a political difference; that has failed, because the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist is nothing but a common street rioter, a creature of violence, preferably violence against the helpless and vulnerable. The Gandhian way is not workable today; it works against people with moral courage, meaning that it will not work against the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist.

They may believe in gathering strength but trying to negotiate a common stand, such that the deep and abiding foundations of either side are borne in mind; that would assume that the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist knows what the foundations of his (or her) belief are. The trouble is, they don't. If they are asked this question, they cannot answer, for the simple reason that the answer is so grotesque and bizarre that these creatures themselves shrink from an answer. They cannot utter out loud the foulness that fills them, the murderous rage and the hatred that consumes them, that if visible to the sane outside world, will get them isolated for medical reasons from the healthy world.

They may believe also that against an unreasoning, unthinking opposition, the only answer is brute force. That will be difficult, but if once done, will forever wash away the redoubts from which the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist operates.

The self-proclaimed Indian nationalist, instead of issuing himself certificates, needs to look around and truly see the world that he is partly responsible for creating; instead of exulting in the heady atmosphere of having won a majority in the elections, he needs to find out how to hold onto it, and how not to land up facing the same hostility that today he projects in so blatant a manner towards his chosen victims.

Hindus have no right to tell Muslims anything about Islam or Islamic culture.

Everybody has every right to consider every prevailing system and form an opinion about it. Whether that opinion is expressed or not is dependent on the rules of the location where he sees a group that might respond to his opinion.

 

[suyog chavan]

What you expect from a Pakistani will depend on who the Pakistani is; he (or she) could be a dozen things.

What you expect from an Indian who loves India, but objects violently to the mess being made by those who call themselves nationalist, is also dependent on who the Indian is.

They may believe in peaceful resolution of a political difference; that has failed, because the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist is nothing but a common street rioter, a creature of violence, preferably violence against the helpless and vulnerable. The Gandhian way is not workable today; it works against people with moral courage, meaning that it will not work against the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist.

They may believe in gathering strength but trying to negotiate a common stand, such that the deep and abiding foundations of either side are borne in mind; that would assume that the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist knows what the foundations of his (or her) belief are. The trouble is, they don't. If they are asked this question, they cannot answer, for the simple reason that the answer is so grotesque and bizarre that these creatures themselves shrink from an answer. They cannot utter out loud the foulness that fills them, the murderous rage and the hatred that consumes them, that if visible to the sane outside world, will get them isolated for medical reasons from the healthy world.

They may believe also that against an unreasoning, unthinking opposition, the only answer is brute force. That will be difficult, but if once done, will forever wash away the redoubts from which the self-proclaimed Indian nationalist operates.

The self-proclaimed Indian nationalist, instead of issuing himself certificates, needs to look around and truly see the world that he is partly responsible for creating; instead of exulting in the heady atmosphere of having won a majority in the elections, he needs to find out how to hold onto it, and how not to land up facing the same hostility that today he projects in so blatant a manner towards his chosen victims.

OK , I understood want you want to convey us ,
first of all I Would want to impart you , there is no thing as proclaimed nationalist , everybody is self proclaimed has their own views and claims on nationalism, that itself closely relates with patriotism towards your own nation or country. that doesn't mean that you have to be given certificate by someone to be called a nationalist,
look at your views , you seem to hold a fixed mindset and grudge towards nationalists, dont know the reason ,
maybe you seem to tend left than right , but no problem its your choice, But, the problem arises when the fake secular i.e leftist try to persuade their agenda through defaming their counterparts aka right wing or nationalists on any platform they get , even be it this forum pdf.
A nationalist will always raise his voice whenever needed , it gradually doesn't mean that voice they raise would be favorable to left wing always and every-time, the ways are different ,so goes with the liberals (leftists) ,
nationalists tend to keep nation first policy , some sections prefer religion over nation , then clashes are inevitable in such scenarios , but no one has any personal problem with anyone , its just the difference in their beliefs and views ,

and on the point of expecting from Pakistanis , they too are nationalists folks , rather I may say religiously nationalists (hyper nationalists).
So there can be no goodwill expectations from both sides because both sides are nationalists, and patriotic.
Pakistani nationalists can harmonize only with Indian leftists or liberals cause both have common nemesis .ie right wing or nationalists of INDIA ,
And as BJP is the biggest representative of nationalists in INDIA so they prefer battling with BJP ideology and their followers.
and give a cold hand to liberal congress (representative of liberals), not because they care for us , just to satisfy their agenda.
why would even Pakistan do good for India ??

Hindus have no right to tell Muslims anything about Islam or Islamic culture.

See these are the hyper nationalists of pakistan ,

 

[Joe Shearer]

OK , I understood want you want to convey us

first of all I Would want to impart you , there is no thing as proclaimed nationalist , everybody is self proclaimed has their own views and claims on nationalism, that itself closely relates with patriotism towards your own nation or country. that doesn't mean that you have to be given certificate by someone to be called a nationalist,

The moment you define yourself as a nationalist, and draw a distinction between yourself and another Indian, you are certifying yourself, and rejecting the other. Nobody has a right to assume that he or she has a monopoly on nationalism, or a monopoly on the understanding of nationalism.

look at your views , you seem to hold a fixed mindset and grudge towards nationalists, dont know the reason

Because of this arrogance, of assuming that you are nationalists, and others are not.

maybe you seem to tend left than right , but no problem its your choice,

Wrong. I'm not left, I'm not right, I'm a liberal.

But, the problem arises when the fake secular i.e leftist try to persuade their agenda through defaming their counterparts aka right wing or nationalists on any platform they get , even be it this forum pdf.

Aren't you doing the exact same thing? Who are you to define a fake secular, or a leftist? And who are you to decide that criticism of the Sanghi is defamation? Do you even know that defamation is a legal term, and can lead to a criminal case and to serious consequences? Finally, who are you to decide that a Sanghi is a nationalist? There are many who think Sanghis are fascist, not just nationalist or rightist.

A nationalist will always raise his voice whenever needed ,

What condescension. As if other Indians will not.

it gradually doesn't mean that voice they raise would be favorable to left wing always and every-time, the ways are different ,so goes with the liberals (leftists)

Don't have to be favourable to left wing. But don't have to be judgemental either. You or any other individual has no business deciding what the political views of another Indian are, or judging those views to be good, bad or ugly.

nationalists tend to keep nation first policy , some sections prefer religion over nation , then clashes are inevitable in such scenarios , but no one has any personal problem with anyone , its just the difference in their beliefs and views ,

How do you brush aside the violence that ensues so frequently when views on religion, or on the character of the nation, clash?

and on the point of expecting from Pakistanis , they too are nationalists folks , rather I may say religiously nationalists (hyper nationalists).

Apart from picking up views on WhatsApp, Twitter or other social media, do you know anything at all about Pakistanis? It is amazing how you assume you know anything about Pakistan and Pakistanis, enough to be able to comment about them.

So there can be no goodwill expectations from both sides because both sides are nationalists, and patriotic.

This is what happens when ill-informed, half-learned people get involved in these fora, and in these discussions.

Pakistani nationalists can harmonize only with Indian leftists or liberals cause both have common nemesis .ie right wing or nationalists of INDIA ,

You know nothing. Ask self-proclaimed self-certified Pakistani nationalists such as
@American Pakistani
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
or others; they hate all Indians, liberal or conservative or Sanghi.

And as BJP is the biggest representative of nationalists in INDIA so they prefer battling with BJP ideology and their followers.

BJP is the biggest collection of religious bigots in India. As far as nationalists are concerned, there are millions who are nationalists, but not BJP. It is this arrogance that is amazing, that you can decide that you are nationalists and nobody else exists who is a nationalist.

and give a cold hand to liberal congress (representative of liberals), not because they care for us , just to satisfy their agenda.

Your own definition. Be happy.

why would even Pakistan do good for India ??

Ask them.

This clown is an Indian,I am an Indian, so what views do we have in common?

See these are the hyper nationalists of pakistan ,

And, of course, you are an expert on Pakistan and on Pakistanis.

 

[suyog chavan]

The moment you define yourself as a nationalist, and draw a distinction between yourself and another Indian, you are certifying yourself, and rejecting the other. Nobody has a right to assume that he or she has a monopoly on nationalism, or a monopoly on the understanding of nationalism

We define ourselves nationalist because we are patriotic and love our country, there are different ways too , no denying it.
Nor certifying ourselves or distributing certificates to others , Nationalism as I said its a personal choice .
and my mann off course their is distinction between right and left wing globally , did I made it too???

Because of this arrogance, of assuming that you are nationalists, and others are not

Its a thing when you shower love on Pakistan and expect us to call you a nationalist,
thats not the scenario now in BJP rule. It used to happen casually in congress rule mate.

Wrong. I'm not left, I'm not right, I'm a liberal

lol does it make any sense ,
by the definition liberals are center left groups.

Aren't you doing the exact same thing? Who are you to define a fake secular, or a leftist? And who are you to decide that criticism of the Sanghi is defamation? Do you even know that defamation is a legal term, and can lead to a criminal case and to serious consequences? Finally, who are you to decide that a Sanghi is a nationalist? There are many who think Sanghis are fascist, not just nationalist or rightist.

It isn't that hard to recognize a fake secular , they tend to lean one sided .
question is same to you , who are to question that sanghi is not a nationalist??,
and who are those who think sanghis are fascists ??

What condescension. As if other Indians will not

Its democracy anyone can raise voice and are raising too.
did I object to it??

Don't have to be favourable to left wing. But don't have to be judgemental either. You or any other individual has no business deciding what the political views of another Indian are, or judging those views to be good, bad or ugly

Here again I would like to tell you, I go with freedom of expression and choice ,
No one is judging anyone's political views here but sometimes some decisions doesn't go well with both sides.

How do you brush aside the violence that ensues so frequently when views on religion, or on the character of the nation, clash?

For a nationalist its always nation first then comes religion , but some communities doesn't go well with the nationalist ideology and has differences so there are clashes between the two , thats not only INDIA its the scenario around the world

Apart from picking up views on WhatsApp, Twitter or other social media, do you know anything at all about Pakistanis? It is amazing how you assume you know anything about Pakistan and Pakistanis, enough to be able to comment about them.

So do you mean they are secular(liberals) and not nationalists (hyper nationalists) ???

This is what happens when ill-informed, half-learned people get involved in these fora, and in these discussions

Here is the example a liberal judging a Nationalist ,
and you accuse us of judging others , lol what a hypocrisy

You know nothing. Ask self-proclaimed self-certified Pakistani nationalists such as
@American Pakistani
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
or others; they hate all Indians, liberal or conservative or Sanghi.

Why would they be needing to be certified or proclaimed by others as nationalist , they are born Pakistani they can be any of the left or right ??

BJP is the biggest collection of religious bigots in India. As far as nationalists are concerned, there are millions who are nationalists, but not BJP. It is this arrogance that is amazing, that you can decide that you are nationalists and nobody else exists who is a nationalist

By your logic than, Congress party is collection of non religious corrupt bigots, does it need any difference??
Thats the truth man leave with it.
BJP Shivsena are the Face of nationalists of INDIA . there are other parties too. but as the network of BJP is far greater than other nationalist parties ,So yeah they represent nationalists in INDIA .

And, of course, you are an expert on Pakistan and on Pakistanis

You dont need to be an expert for that even a kid in my locality will recognize that statement he made is extreme .

Ask them.

This clown is an Indian,I am an Indian, so what views do we have in common

No need to ask them , we already had 4 wars with Pakistan , isn't that enough for you

 

[Clutch]

Everybody has every right to consider every prevailing system and form an opinion about it. Whether that opinion is expressed or not is dependent on the rules of the location where he sees a group that might respond to his opinion.

A Hindus knows nothing about Islam or Islamic culture.

 

[pothead]

LMAO..

Does this shit of first insulting other religions & then pretend victim-hood work anymore?
Hindus have seen through this shit,
the current virus has polarized Hindus even more with disgusting spitting in food to molesting nurses.....I can go on and on..

Let me be frank, Indian muslims need to reign in morons like this guy, else, they are facing a rout with them being the biggest losers,
putting it frankly, muslims have lost the trust of Hindus & it's up to them to bridge it.

 

[MayaBazar]

LMAO..

Does this shit of first insulting other religions & then pretend victim-hood work anymore?
Hindus have seen through this shit,
the current virus has polarized Hindus even more with disgusting spitting in food to molesting nurses.....I can go on and on..

Let me be frank, Indian muslims need to reign in morons like this guy, else, they are facing a rout with them being the biggest losers,
putting it frankly, muslims have lost the trust of Hindus & it's up to them to bridge it.

What is with these blanket statements? There are good people and bad people in all religions, regions and sects. Every action has a reaction. Each citizen should share the responsibility.

A Hindus knows nothing about Islam or Islamic culture.

Why are Hindus expected to know Islam or vice-versa? Heck I would bet most Hindus and Muslims do not know their own religion.

 

[xeuss]

muslims have lost the trust of Hindus & it's up to them to bridge it.

Cute.

I have no desire to gain the trust of those that engage in pogroms and openly call for the killings of Muslims.

I am sure my Muslim brothers and sisters feel the way.

 

[Joe Shearer]

A Hindus knows nothing about Islam or Islamic culture.

Let us grant you your freedom of expression and move on.

What is with these blanket statements? There are good people and bad people in all religions, regions and sects. Every action has a reaction. Each citizen should share the responsibility.



Why are Hindus expected to know Islam or vice-versa? Heck I would bet most Hindus and Muslims do not know their own religion.

Cute.

I have no desire to gain the trust of those that engage in pogroms and openly call for the killings of Muslims.

I am sure my Muslim brothers and sisters feel the way.

You don't owe any of these idiots an explanation. You don't even need to tell them that you intend to ignore them.

 

[Clutch]

Why are Hindus expected to know Islam or vice-versa? Heck I would bet most Hindus and Muslims do not know their own religion.

Exactly my point to the Hindu who was claiming otherwise...

 

[pothead]

Cute.

I have no desire to gain the trust of those that engage in pogroms and openly call for the killings of Muslims.

I am sure my Muslim brothers and sisters feel the way.

Well, no one is begging you either.
In fact, it suits me just fine if there is no one to reign in idiots like this minority chief.
The more the well meaning muslims ignore these morons, the better for Hindus unity.

And to the idiot who supported you, quoting you, well, last time we debated, he ran off with his tail firmly tucked inside his orifices.
I am happy to repeat the sequence.