BJP won Uttar Pradesh Election 2022

[fitpOsitive]

One question from some learned Indian Hindu, if you please may answer.
In Hindus social order, Kshatriyas occupy the ruling seats. Brahmins occupy the policy making temples. But in New hindutva order, Bahujans are occupying ruling seats. Bahujans are also occupying highest possible positions in every walk of life. Brahmins are now artists and govt officers only. What kind of order is that? Can someone put some light over it that what this hindutva movement upto?

 

[Paitoo]

One question from some learned Indian Hindu, if you please may answer.
In Hindus social order, Kshatriyas occupy the ruling seats. Brahmins occupy the policy making temples. But in New hindutva order, Bahujans are occupying ruling seats. Bahujans are also occupying highest possible positions in every walk of life. Brahmins are now artists and govt officers only. What kind of order is that? Can someone put some light over it that what this hindutva movement upto?

Caste system has no official sanction, therefore takes a fluid form to survive. It is not true that Brahmins are mainly artists and government officers. Historically, brahmins were not just priests or advisors, they were basically custodians of knowledge of any kind. That is the reason they tend to be better educated and are found in diverse professions. With time banias and kshatriyas realised that knowledge is wealth, so they took to learning too.

Linkage between caste and profession has become weaker now, except if you are talking about very marginalized castes. Whatever caste you were born into, everyone wants to have a successful career or run their own business. This makes everyone tend towards the Brahmin (knowledge) or the Bania (business) tendencies.

Politics has become dominated by regional ethnic groups within states (not necessarily a bad thing). It was inevitable because in a democratic setup (theoretically), numerical superiority counts. Brahmins and banias have taken a back seat in regional politics (though this is a bit of simplification) because they don't have numbers to counter the numerical superiority. Now you might think that Brahmin is a caste and not an ethnic group, but in many states it is effectively that - an ethnic group. Especially in Southern and Eastern India, where the Brahmins are even visibly different from the lower castes and have different rituals and food habits.

Among urban educated folks, a career in politics is looked down upon. Some upper castes might even say that they have left dirty politics to the lower castes and occupied positions where they can have some control without getting their hands directly into dirty politics - ie. media, business (money power, crony capitalism) and institutions.

Hindutva is a different movement. While ideologically dominated by the upper castes, it needs some support from all sections of Hindus in order to overcome what it sees as its principal problem - that Hindus are not united. In that sense it must gloss over the caste system and one way to do it is to have a common enemy.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Caste system has no official sanction, therefore takes a fluid form to survive. It is not true that Brahmins are mainly artists and government officers. Historically, brahmins were not just priests or advisors, they were basically custodians of knowledge of any kind. That is the reason they tend to be better educated and are found in diverse professions. With time banias and kshatriyas realised that knowledge is wealth, so they took to learning too.

Linkage between caste and profession has become weaker now, except if you are talking about very marginalized castes. Whatever caste you were born into, everyone wants to have a successful career or run their own business. This makes everyone tend towards the Brahmin (knowledge) or the Bania (business) tendencies.

Politics has become dominated by regional ethnic groups within states (not necessarily a bad thing). It was inevitable because in a democratic setup (theoretically), numerical superiority counts. Brahmins and banias have taken a back seat in regional politics (though this is a bit of simplification) because they don't have numbers to counter the numerical superiority. Now you might think that Brahmin is a caste and not an ethnic group, but in many states it is effectively that - an ethnic group. Especially in Southern and Eastern India, where the Brahmins are even visibly different from the lower castes and have different rituals and food habits.

Among urban educated folks, a career in politics is looked down upon. Some upper castes might even say that they have left dirty politics to the lower castes and occupied positions where they can have some control without getting their hands directly into dirty politics - ie. media, business (money power, crony capitalism) and institutions.

Hindutva is a different movement. While ideologically dominated by the upper castes, it needs some support from all sections of Hindus in order to overcome what it sees as its principal problem - that Hindus are not united. In that sense it must gloss over the caste system and one way to do it is to have a common enemy.

Thanks for the detailed answer. But see, people of subcontinent lack discipline, and are very near sighted. So I will say, think 100 times before you take next step.

 

[jamahir]

Slavery mindset is so institutionalised among Congressi buddhas that if freedom stands in front of them along with a billion dollar cheque, they will still choose to prostrate in front of the holy trinity.

The BJP also has a Holy Trinity : Dear Leader, Bulldozer Baba and Mota Bhai.

Stupid media persons still refer to INC as the 'principal opposition party'. I don't know whether to laugh upon how untrue each of those 3 words are, or feel bad that it is the truth.

Agreed. There are other, progressive groups whether public or underground who are side-lined by the media.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Hindutva is a different movement. While ideologically dominated by the upper castes, it needs some support from all sections of Hindus in order to overcome what it sees as its principal problem - that Hindus are not united. In that sense it must gloss over the caste system and one way to do it is to have a common enemy.

Kashmir insurgency is the main reason that united Hindus. It made Hindutva huge. The ideology was politically fringe prior to the insurgency.

 

[RAMPAGE]

I cannot think of Beethoven without two visions coming to mind. One is about the charming way in which his friends would lure him to play in spite of his fixed determination not to play at any and every request - the being left to himself in a room with a pianoforte, from which everyone slipped away in ones and twos, the increasing attention to the instrument, then the first few reluctant notes, then the abandonment and the obsessed drive to make music, while the friends listened with rapt attention from the room beyond. The other is of the old man, totally deaf, escorted to the first playing of the 9th, sitting in blank disappointment at the end, until he was turned gently by his minders to see the audience in a wild frenzy of applause.

Coriolanus is so Beethoven in this play; one can imagine the way it might have been treated, perhaps, more than any of the symphonies, one of the piano concerti. Really have to think about it.

I love Rita Dove's description of Beethoven from the viewpoint of George Bridgetower in one of the poems from her "Sonata Mulattica." The words she uses to describe his truculence are so biting.

FIRST CONTACT (Rita Dove)

www.lyrikline.org

Here's another one. I know it from memory. This one is from Beethoven's perspective. I often recall it when I am listening to his 6th, which may very well be my favourite piece of music.

LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN’S RETURN TO VIENNA (Rita Dove)

www.lyrikline.org

 

[Viper 94]

This won't happen. We all know it.


Indian Muslims will need a country of their own.

India is trying to redefine its identity and in doing so eventually Hindi language imposition will be part of it. I have seen that there were many hindu nationalists that get pissed off when a southerner or non-hindi speaker says that he/she doesn't speak Hindi. The loose confederation that kept india united is only implementable when the central government is kept relatively weak. The moment a group or the central government tries to impose rules upon other nationalities the reactions are severe and the divisions show up. We will see how far the BJP will go but right now it looks like they are completely dominating indian politics and have alienated almost every minority. BJP has been thoroughly unsuccessful in creating job opportunities so they have chosen a hindu nationalism path of getting votes they would have to increasingly add stipulation for this sort of nationalism once the hindu nationalism card and ever present anti-pakistanism are used up. These stipulations will be internally focused and lead to alienation of more groups.
Maybe india will be successful with diluting the cultures of all the other nation that there will be no differences left. I doubt it will happen most likely india will go to its default state of weak central government and loose confederation because the alternative is an outright break up or a major war with china and or Pakistan.

 

[Akshay89]

India is trying to redefine its identity and in doing so eventually Hindi language imposition will be part of it. I have seen that there were many hindu nationalists that get pissed off when a southerner or non-hindi speaker says that he/she doesn't speak Hindi. The loose confederation that kept india united is only implementable when the central government is kept relatively weak. The moment a group or the central government tries to impose rules upon other nationalities the reactions are severe and the divisions show up. We will see how far the BJP will go but right now it looks like they are completely dominating indian politics and have alienated almost every minority. BJP has been thoroughly unsuccessful in creating job opportunities so they have chosen a hindu nationalism path of getting votes they would have to increasingly add stipulation for this sort of nationalism once the hindu nationalism card and ever present anti-pakistanism are used up. These stipulations will be internally focused and lead to alienation of more groups.
Maybe india will be successful with diluting the cultures of all the other nation that there will be no differences left. I doubt it will happen most likely india will go to its default state of weak central government and loose confederation because the alternative is an outright break up or a major war with china and or Pakistan.

Imposing Hindi will take a long time.

A state sponsored anti Muslim pogrom is very near.

Muslims will never tolerate persecution. Hence they will create a separate country.

 

[Viper 94]

Imposing Hindi will take a long time.

A state sponsored anti Muslim pogrom is very near.

Muslims will never tolerate persecution. Hence they will create a separate country.

The state sponsored Muslim persecution in not new at all. It is just more planned and well implemented now. Muslims won't and simply can't create another separate country within a Hindu majority areas. The Hindu majority is overwhelming Kashmir not included since it is not a part of gangian confederation in the first place. Pakistan and Bangladesh have clear Muslim majorities and are culturally and geographically distinct for gangia. Pakistan has no leverage to help the Muslims it has its hands full with Kashmir. So these Hindus will most likely succeed in making Muslims 2nd-3rd class citizens. Then naturally they will turn towards another target because these kind of ideologies constantly need people to victimize. In the next few decades more of the minorities who can will immigrate to other countries. There are already a lot of Sikhs and muslims illegally immigrating to the US through Mexico

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I am actually designing it from scratch so the design has taken years unlike those who taken available designs and engineering methods and put some I/O elements around them and then say "Oh, we have designed a processor" so obviously their so-called design will take a few months instead of years, they will have done nothing innovative. In my designing of the processor I have changed instructions, memory layouts and I/O system multiple times. The goal is of simplicity and general-purposeness. But be assured that when it comes out in a product it will be proud moment for you too as a South Asian.

I have a complaint about you folks. It is this.