BJP warns govt. over Kashmir

[ganesh177]

So, what solution would you propose?

Its not so easy now my friend, kashmiris and pakitanis have messed up the situation for themselves. For plebicite to be possible there needs to be few things done only after which india will be convinced ....

1. Resettlement of kashmiri pandits in valley with respect, honour and financial loss repairs. India and pakistan both wud have to pay for it.
2. Pakistan will have to regain the territory ceded to china. Its not pakistans property to donate it to anyone. That will be entirely pakistans responsibility as they are themselves responsible for it.
3. Non kashmiris have settled in , but same is not the case with IOK. India have managed to maintain the sovereignty and purity of kashmir, be it with occupation and article 247. So to make the status equal of both sides, india will remove article 347 and let indians from rest of india settle in kashmir and start there own businesses there. That will take good 5 years at least.
4. When above 3 points are fulfilled, india will be convinced that the route for plebicite is now clear. But plebicite wud not be in kashmir alone. There wud be similar plebicite in balochistan as well. If plebicite can be held in kashmir then there is no reason why it cant be held in balochistan as well. Plebicite will be held in kashmir and balochistan together, or it will not in any.

 

[alphamale]

I am soo sad that Pakistan's position regarding Kashmir is becomming weak & defensive & i'am afraid India will swallow Pakistani territory same like Junagadh-Manavadar & Hyderabad Deccan. It is because of 2 reasons that Pakistan stand is becomming weak, one is polititions are more interested for friendship with India,(i'am not against friendship with India but core issues shan't be put behind or sell out due to friendship, today they are occupying J&K, tomorrow they will demand for AJK, than G&B & so on).
The second reason & very big reason is obviously terrorism in Pakistan, because of terrorism Pakistan focus had been distracted from that important issue, another loss because of terrorism is that many of the Kashmiris are being made fool by Indian media who shows each & every news with mirch masala and therefore now many of them want Indepandance from India but not a merger with Pakistan, one more loss due to terrorism is that our economy is in very bad condition, alot of foriegn companies have been closed plus very little or no further foriegn investment coming.

Kashmir is a jugular vein of Pakistan, Pakistan will always be threaten until Kashmir is occupied, either Kashmir becomes indepandant sovereign country otherwise it must become part of Pakistan, Pakistani leaders must agree on nothing less than this & not become defensive on this main issue.

hold up there, first of all i want to make clear that india do not want pakistani kashmir. keep it we don't want it only thing we want is to convert LOC as IB. we don't want those ppl who are loyal to pak & what are talking abt indian media that they are doing propaganda. u sincerely think that in today's situation one has to do propaganda abt what happening in pakistan???????????? and last but not least stop dreaming abt occupying indian kashmir, it's not gonna happen ever

 

[misterme2]

Post 45 says it all....

 

[Jungibaaz]

so you are saying we should leave the part of our motherland with enemies???
great patriot you are!!!!
have some shame

until the areas of muzaffarabad and gilgit comes under indian administration we would not welcome any IB??

Azad Kashmir is a part of Pakistan now, there is no way in hell, India will take it back.

 

[xTra]

Azad Kashmir is a part of Pakistan now, there is no way in hell, India will take it back.

Then how it becomes Azad Kashmir.

 

[American Pakistani]

hold up there, first of all i want to make clear that india do not want pakistani kashmir. keep it we don't want it only thing we want is to convert LOC as IB. we don't want those ppl who are loyal to pak & what are talking abt indian media that they are doing propaganda. u sincerely think that in today's situation one has to do propaganda abt what happening in pakistan???????????? and last but not least stop dreaming abt occupying indian kashmir, it's not gonna happen ever

Solution of Kashmir is only when either Kashmir gain freedom & become indepandant sovereign country or otherwise becomes a part of Pakistan. Pakistan can not accept Kashmir under occupation of it's archrival, For Pakistan,Kashmir under Indian occupation is like a sword on the throat of Pakistan.

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Then how it becomes Azad Kashmir.

It becomes Azad because it is Azad from Indian occupation.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Then how it becomes Azad Kashmir.

that is like asking why a place has a name? it is Azad Kashmir, It is Azad from India.
Not so hard to get your head round it.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Its not so easy now my friend, kashmiris and pakitanis have messed up the situation for themselves. For plebicite to be possible there needs to be few things done only after which india will be convinced ....

1. Resettlement of kashmiri pandits in valley with respect, honour and financial loss repairs. India and pakistan both wud have to pay for it.
2. Pakistan will have to regain the territory ceded to china. Its not pakistans property to donate it to anyone. That will be entirely pakistans responsibility as they are themselves responsible for it.
3. Non kashmiris have settled in , but same is not the case with IOK. India have managed to maintain the sovereignty and purity of kashmir, be it with occupation and article 247. So to make the status equal of both sides, india will remove article 347 and let indians from rest of india settle in kashmir and start there own businesses there. That will take good 5 years at least.
4. When above 3 points are fulfilled, india will be convinced that the route for plebicite is now clear. But plebicite wud not be in kashmir alone. There wud be similar plebicite in balochistan as well. If plebicite can be held in kashmir then there is no reason why it cant be held in balochistan as well. Plebicite will be held in kashmir and balochistan together, or it will not in any.

mmm...okay.

Even if all Indians settle down in Kashmir, are you sure its going to work? Are you certain it would be free from discrimination on all fronts? I think five years for settling down business is kinda unrealistic considering the volatility of the region. Might take a lot longer in that case.

 

[alphamale]

It becomes Azad because it is Azad from Indian occupation.

that is like asking why a place has a name? it is Azad Kashmir, It is Azad from India.
Not so hard to get your head round it.

so it should be renamed as "Azad from india kashmir". The term Azad kashmir do not go down well with it's reality

 

[American Pakistani]

Its not so easy now my friend, kashmiris and pakitanis have messed up the situation for themselves. For plebicite to be possible there needs to be few things done only after which india will be convinced ....

1. Resettlement of kashmiri pandits in valley with respect, honour and financial loss repairs. India and pakistan both wud have to pay for it.
2. Pakistan will have to regain the territory ceded to china. Its not pakistans property to donate it to anyone. That will be entirely pakistans responsibility as they are themselves responsible for it.
3. Non kashmiris have settled in , but same is not the case with IOK. India have managed to maintain the sovereignty and purity of kashmir, be it with occupation and article 247. So to make the status equal of both sides, india will remove article 347 and let indians from rest of india settle in kashmir and start there own businesses there. That will take good 5 years at least.
4. When above 3 points are fulfilled, india will be convinced that the route for plebicite is now clear. But plebicite wud not be in kashmir alone. There wud be similar plebicite in balochistan as well. If plebicite can be held in kashmir then there is no reason why it cant be held in balochistan as well. Plebicite will be held in kashmir and balochistan together, or it will not in any.

And in Khalistan too, what about Assam, & how can we forget Nagaland & why not West Bengal & when is plebisite happining in Hyderabad.

Conclusion: don't try to be over smart, every one knows how much you are.

 

[American Pakistani]

so it should be renamed as "Azad from india kashmir". The term Azad kashmir do not go down well with it's reality

Well we know only 2 Kashmirs, one is Azad Kashmir & other one is Occupied Kashmir. Azad Kashmir is Kashmir that was saved in 1948 war wheras Occupied Kashmir is occupied part of Pakistan by India. Hope you get it.

 

[Jon Snow]

Solution of Kashmir is only when either Kashmir gain freedom & become indepandant sovereign country or otherwise becomes a part of Pakistan. Pakistan can not accept Kashmir under occupation of it's archrival, For Pakistan,Kashmir under Indian occupation is like a sword on the throat of Pakistan.

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It becomes Azad because it is Azad from Indian occupation.

why??? We are happy with current status.....you guys can learn to be too.... If we agree and make peace with status quo, then india will not have any reason to threaten or attack pakistan and after some time when trade increases between the two nations any kashmiri in iok who wants to go and settle in will be allowed to and vice versa..... Everybody happy....

 

[Executioner]

Its the same kashmiris who crushed the human values and chased kashmiri pandits out of kashmir tieing up with the terrorists accross the border. Killed the pandits in there home, captured there home, shops businesses, demolished there worship places. Chased the rest of them out of kashmir and made them live the life of refugee. Ask the pandits how do they feel to live like this anywhere in india.

Kashmiris have lost there right to cry about human rights after what they have done to there own fellow kashmiri pandits.

Actually know care and bother to talk about Kashmir Pandits because they are not human beings. They are killed and body are dump because they are small in number and they don't have any terrorist support. If you go the Delhi you can see them how they are living and what they are and what they had and those who done this they feel proud and honorable person, by doing this they spread the fear and wants people to follow their orders. Now who to blame the whole Country or whole Kashmiri people who living there or that person and group who involve in such type of activity.

 

[alphamale]

Well we know only 2 Kashmirs, one is Azad Kashmir & other one is Occupied Kashmir. Azad Kashmir is Kashmir that was saved in 1948 war wheras Occupied Kashmir is occupied part of Pakistan by India. Hope you get it.

Well we also know only 2 Kashmirs, one is jammu & Kashmir & other one is Occupied Kashmir. jammu & Kashmir is Kashmir that was saved in 1948 war whereas Occupied Kashmir is occupied part of india by pakistan. Hope you get it

 

[deckingraj]

Solution of Kashmir is only when either Kashmir gain freedom & become indepandant sovereign country or otherwise becomes a part of Pakistan. Pakistan can not accept Kashmir under occupation of it's archrival, For Pakistan,Kashmir under Indian occupation is like a sword on the throat of Pakistan.

That's the reason it is still unsolved....You guys need to realize the ground reality....I have repeated it many times and will not shy away from repeating it again...

- India in early 90's was in the worst position of her post independence era...We were almost bankrupt, our major arm supplier USSR broke, one of our potential adversary(China) was enjoying the economic benefits of good policy in 80's..Kashmir was a hot bed of terrorist...our Arch Rival(Pak) was highly motivated(due to the success in AF sector) and her economy was also doing good.....

In short situation was hopeless from Indian perspective and pretty good from Pakistan's perspective....If india did not budge then there is no way India can budge now.....In today's world situation is very opposite...International community don't have much appetite for Kashmir...India is very strong both militarily as well economically...Moreover status quo favor's us as compared to Pakistan...

In short resolution of Kashmir in whatever terms is going to benefit Pakistan because they will gain something out of it....This is the reality that pakistani's need to realize...From full-fledge war to insurgency to propaganda to seek support in international community, they have done everything in the book but failed to change an inch on the ground...

Understand MMS is your best bet to resolve Kashmir....BJP is going to have more hard stand and moreover Rahul Gandhi(our would be PM if congress win again) feels that we should not give even half the importance to Pakistan than what we give them now....