BJP acts to end beef shortage in Goa: Starts importing meat from Maharashtra, Karnataka

[MokshaVimukthi]

Here its more about uplifting rural economy in livestock sector which is the second largest sector after agriculture.

India has always been an economy where livestock was valued and Milk formed a major part of our diet.

I am not sure what you point is ?

That we kill our animals after we finish milking them ?

 

[Hindustani78]

India has always been an economy where livestock was valued and Milk formed a major part of our diet.

I am not sure what you point is ?

That we kill our animals after we finish milking them ?

Here its more about setting up a mechanism in which the cattle growers will get price according to International market when the cattles meat is being exported and Government revenues get increases in shape of taxes.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Here its more about setting up a mechanism in which the cattle growers will get price according to International market when the cattles meat is being exported and Government revenues get increases in shape of taxes.

Why do you want to promote the unethical practice of killing the cattle after you have exploited the best years of their lives ? Blood money is no way to grow your eonomy. Not in a Hindu majority nation which values Dharma anyway.

What next ? slavery, since its good for the economy ? Exploitation of any form is immoral, unethical and now thanks to the BJP, Illegal. And that is how it should be in a civilized society and Nation.

There are some things money cannot buy, or at least there should not be.

It is better to focus on improve the milk yield and improving the nutrition to bovines.

 

[Hindustani78]

Why do you want to promote the unethical practice of killing the cattle after you have exploited the best years of their lives ? Blood money is no way to grow your eonomy. Not in a Hindu majority nation which values Dharma anyway.

What next ? slavery, since its good for the economy ? Exploitation of any form is immoral, unethical and now thanks to the BJP, Illegal. And that is how it should be in a civilized society and Nation.

There are some things money cannot buy, or at least there should not be.

Cow slaughter is being prohibited because of the religious sentiments but do you want even to stop water buffalo slaughter ? what about the living of rural Indian cattlegrowers ?

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Cow slaughter is being prohibited because of the religious sentiments but do you want even to stop water buffalo slaughter ? what about the living of rural Indian cattlegrowers ?

The religious sentiment is based on Dharma i.e Righteousness that makes you practice ethics and morality.

You speak on the matter without understanding the essence of the debate. Maybe because you are too lazy, or arrogant or you just don't care.

All Milch creatures under the protection of man and who is of use to society should be protected by man. That is the Dharma. Cow is specifically mentioned because they were the only source of milk in an earlier time. But the ethics and morality that guide the decision extends to all creatures under our care.

If a water buffalo is used for producing milk, we have a duty to protect it and care for it. That is the right thing to do, that is the civilized thing to do.

Slavery of all living creature is against dharma. A cow is not a slave, its a productive member of society that has agriculture and livestock as part of the economy.

 

[Hindustani78]

The religious sentiment is based on Dharma i.e Righteousness that makes you practice ethics and morality.

You speak on the matter without understanding the essence of the debate. Maybe because you are too lazy, or arrogant or you just don't care.

All Milch creatures under the protection of man and who is of use to society should be protected by man. That is the Dharma. Cow is specifically mentioned because they were the only source of milk in an earlier time. But the ethics and morality that guide the decision extends to all creatures under our care.

If a water buffalo is used for producing milk, we have a duty to protect it and care for it. That is the right thing to do, that is the civilized thing to do.

Slavery of all living creature is against dharma. A cow is not a slave, its a productive member of society that has agriculture and livestock as part of the economy.

I am trying to understand your point and seeing that you are seeing in terms of the decline of the livestock population.


Indian buffaloes are in important source of milk supply today and yield nearly three times as much milk as cows. More than half of the total milk produced (55%) in the country was contributed by the 47.22 million milch buffaloes, where as the 57.0 million cows contribute only 45% of the total milk yield.

According to the 19th census of livestock there has been decline of 3.33% of the overlook live stock population and the
number of milch animals (in-milk and dry),cows and buffaloes,has increased from 111.09 million to 118.59 million, an increase of 6.75%.The number of ‘animals in–milk’has increased from 77.04 million to 80.52 million showing an increase of 4.51%.

Female Buffalo population has also increased by 7.99% over the previous census and the total number of female buffalo is 92.5 million numbers in 2012.

Further, the exotic/crossbred milch cattle increased from 14.4 million to 19.42 million,showing an increase of 34.78% whereas the indigenous milch cattle increased from 48.04 million to 48.12 million, an increase of 0.17%. The milch
buffaloes increased from 48.64 million to 51.05 million with an increase of 4.95% over previous census.

Poultry sector has also shown a healthy increase by 12.39% over the previous census and the total poultry in the country was 729.2 million numbers in 2012.


Tractors are these days used by the farmers in India and Government schemes are there to take tractors on rent
two bullocks take about five days to plough one hectare, a tractor can do it in five hours.

So you are saying that dairy based sector can do more benefit to the cattle growers and you are completely against slaughter of water buffalo ? What about sheeps, lamb and Chicken ?

 

[dray]

In which case your option is gonna be UPA again, and it's not going to be a bad option. I mean, HRD minister was Kapil Sibal, an Oxbridge passout. When Smriti Irani was made HRD minister we were told we were 'elitist'. FIne, and then she declared herself 'yale graduate' and is trying to shut down the only IIT outside of India because the director said something about Modi. If we're elitist, then the story of redemption sure is not gonna come from her. Performancewise the govt is faring extremely badly primarily for ego reasons.

Certainly BJP will not remain in power forever, Congress/UPA is going to come back to power at some point in future. But BJP has to do really bad, or the sanghis have to mess up things really bad to make me vote for a party that wants Rahul Gandhi to become the PM.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Certainly BJP will not remain in power forever, Congress/UPA is going to come back to power at some point in future. But BJP has to do really bad, or the sanghis have to mess up things really bad to make me vote for a party that wants Rahul Gandhi to become the PM.

RG won't be PM. And sanghis already are making things that bad.

 

[dray]

RG won't be PM. And sanghis already are making things that bad.

Rahul was the undeclared PM candidate in last election, and now he is becoming the president of Congress. If not Rahul, then who?

However, if what you are saying is true, then let Congress come out with something concrete. Though ours is not a presidential system, but it is fair to let public know whom they are voting for. For me, I want minimal influence of both Rahul and Sonia Gandhi in the governance and policy matters, and I will only be convinced about it if the PM candidate is someone with strong character and leadership qualities, not a yes man of the dynasty. The dynasty should limit itself to hold the party together, if required.

But yes, sanghis have started to become very irritating, sometimes intimidating.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

I am trying to understand your point and seeing that you are seeing in terms of the decline of the overlook livestock population.

No I am NOT. This is absurd.

I am debating the morality of the issue. Not livestock population.

Indian buffaloes are in important source of milk supply today and yield nearly three times as much milk as cows. More than half of the total milk produced (55%) in the country was contributed by the 47.22 million milch buffaloes, where as the 57.0 million cows contribute only 45% of the total milk yield.

According to the 19th census of livestock there has been decline of 3.33% of the overlook live stock population and the
number of milch animals (in-milk and dry),cows and buffaloes,has increased from 111.09 million to 118.59 million, an increase of 6.75%.The number of ‘animals in–milk’has increased from 77.04 million to 80.52 million showing an increase of 4.51%.

Female Buffalo population has also increased by 7.99% over the previous census and the total number of female buffalo is 92.5 million numbers in 2012.

Further, the exotic/crossbred milch cattle increased from 14.4 million to 19.42 million,showing an increase of 34.78% whereas the indigenous milch cattle increased from 48.04 million to 48.12 million, an increase of 0.17%. The milch
buffaloes increased from 48.64 million to 51.05 million with an increase of 4.95% over previous census.

Poultry sector has also shown a healthy increase by 12.39% over the previous census and the total poultry in the country was 729.2 million numbers in 2012.

Good data, so what is your point ? We should kill them and eat them when all this is over ?

Tractors are these days used by the farmers in India and Government schemes are there to take tractors on rent
two bullocks take about five days to plough one hectare, a tractor can do it in five hours.

1. First, the Bull or other Bovine produce dung which is an excellent fertilizer
2. The farmer saves money on buying expensive artificial fertilizer
3. Cow urine and neem leaves are excellent insecticide, cow urine and jaggery is an excellent Fungicide.
4. Tractors are Expensive. It costs 10 times the cost of two ox.
5. Petrol and diesel is VERY expensive and had to transport to the farm.
6. Maintenance cost of a tractor is expensive too.
7. Not all farmers can drive and use a tractor, you need a license to operate it.
8. Mechanized farming saves time, but it has all the disadvantageous mentioned above. Time is one thing a farmer has, not money.
9. Bio gas from dung is used as bio fuel for cooking and heating.
10. The carbon foot print of the cow is 100 times less than that of the tractor.

From cleaning up left over farm products, to provide dung for fertilizer and gas production, to companionship to milk, Bovines are the farmers best friend.

India's largest import is Oil and gas. Tractor consumes that, cow produces that. There is no comparing the two.

So you are saying that dairy based sector can do more benefit to the cattle growers and you are completely against slaughter of water buffalo ? What about sheeps, lamb and Chicken ?

Any creature that is part of our society and is bred for milk should be protected and their slaughter should be prohibited. Hinduism specifically ask the Hindus to protect the cow, so this is not even open for debate unless you want to debate Hinduism.

We cannot dump our ancient civilization and adapt an copy the barbarians and their civilization just because they ruled us for a few centuries. We have to find our own path, based on our value systems ad not blindly imitate the west or Arabs.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Rahul was the undeclared PM candidate in last election, and now he is becoming the president of Congress. If not Rahul, then who?

However, if what you are saying is true, then let Congress come out with something concrete. Though ours is not a presidential system, but it is fair to let public know whom they are voting for. For me, I want minimal influence of both Rahul and Sonia Gandhi in the governance and policy matters, and I will only be convinced about it only if the PM candidate is someone with strong character, not a yes man of the dynasty, the dynasty should limit itself to hold the party together, if required.

But yes, sanghis have started to become very irritating, sometimes intimidating.

There is no 'undeclared PM'. Congress has worked out that formula before itself. One titular head from Gandhi family to prevent infighting and a competent PM to run the show. Else BJP had done dramabazi to say that Sonia wanted to become PM in 2004 also and that Sushma Swaraj had threatened to shave her head if that happened. Modi's clever ploy was to bring in a Presidential style election where only one person should have been placed to fight against him, that had to be RG. Sonia was Italian so it had to be RG. My suspicion is that if UPA 3 had happened, MMS would have started his term and Antony would have taken in midway. Point is that he has the cleanest image. Now we don't like his complete adherence to beuraucracy, but there are many who would like his absolutely honest image. I would have liked Chidambaram.

 

[Hindustani78]

No I am NOT. This is absurd.

I am debating the morality of the issue. Not livestock population. .

Good data, so what is your point ? We should kill them and eat them when all this is over ?

But have to check the national census of the livestock population.

1. First, the Bull or other Bovine produce dung which is an excellent fertilizer
2. The farmer saves money on buying expensive artificial fertilizer
3. Cow urine and neem leaves are excellent insecticide, cow urine and jaggery is an excellent Fungicide.
4. Tractors are Expensive. It costs 10 times the cost of two ox.
5. Petrol and diesel is VERY expensive and had to transport to the farm.
6. Maintenance cost of a tractor is expensive too.
7. Not all farmers can drive and use a tractor, you need a license to operate it.
8. Mechanized farming saves time, but it has all the disadvantageous mentioned above. Time is one thing a farmer has, not money.
9. Bio gas from dung is used as bio fuel for cooking and heating.
10. The carbon foot print of the cow is 100 times less than that of the tractor.

From cleaning up left over farm products, to provide dung for fertilizer and gas production, to companionship to milk, Bovines are the farmers best friend.

India's largest import is Oil and gas. Tractor consumes that, cow produces that. There is no comparing the two.

If i am not wrong even bio gas projects are being placed from human defecation done by the Sulabh toilet complex and even the same can be done with cow dung .

Any creature that is part of our society and is bread for milk should be protected and their slaughter should be prohibited. Hinduism specifically ask the Hindus to protect the cow, so this is not even open for debate unless you want to debate Hinduism.

Blood meal when dried and powdered can be used as manure. The meat of dead animals is dried and converted into meat meal which is a good source of nitrogen. Are you suggesting this ?

So what about Chicken, lamb, sheep etc ?

We cannot dump our ancient civilization and adapt an copy the barbarians and their civilization just because they ruled us for a few centuries. We have to find our own path, based on our value systems ad not blindly imitate the west or Arabs

Arabs are themselves saving camels .

Saudi Arabia rides to the rescue of Australia's loathed feral camels - Telegraph

 

[dray]

I am trying to understand your point and seeing that you are seeing in terms of the decline of the livestock population.


Indian buffaloes are in important source of milk supply today and yield nearly three times as much milk as cows. More than half of the total milk produced (55%) in the country was contributed by the 47.22 million milch buffaloes, where as the 57.0 million cows contribute only 45% of the total milk yield.

According to the 19th census of livestock there has been decline of 3.33% of the overlook live stock population and the
number of milch animals (in-milk and dry),cows and buffaloes,has increased from 111.09 million to 118.59 million, an increase of 6.75%.The number of ‘animals in–milk’has increased from 77.04 million to 80.52 million showing an increase of 4.51%.

Female Buffalo population has also increased by 7.99% over the previous census and the total number of female buffalo is 92.5 million numbers in 2012.

Further, the exotic/crossbred milch cattle increased from 14.4 million to 19.42 million,showing an increase of 34.78% whereas the indigenous milch cattle increased from 48.04 million to 48.12 million, an increase of 0.17%. The milch
buffaloes increased from 48.64 million to 51.05 million with an increase of 4.95% over previous census.

Poultry sector has also shown a healthy increase by 12.39% over the previous census and the total poultry in the country was 729.2 million numbers in 2012.


Tractors are these days used by the farmers in India and Government schemes are there to take tractors on rent
two bullocks take about five days to plough one hectare, a tractor can do it in five hours.

So you are saying that dairy based sector can do more benefit to the cattle growers and you are completely against slaughter of water buffalo ? What about sheeps, lamb and Chicken ?

I had long debates about it countless numbers of times, I suggest you stop looking for logic here, it is futile. Let me tell you the actual logic as I have understood so far:

1. Cow (yes, the 'cow', gau-mata, the female one that gives milk) slaughtering is already banned in most parts of India and all of northern India including Maharashtra and Hariyana, it is allowed in some states under conditions. Now, how they ban something to polish their pro-Hindu credentials that is already banned? So they have banned slaughter of bulls and bullocks also, ignoring the fact that Hindus don't have any concept of gau-pita.

2. Purely "Screw them" mentality, you know whom!

 

[Hindustani78]

I had long debates about it countless numbers of times, I suggest you stop looking for logic here, it is futile. Let me tell you the actual logic as I have understood so far:

1. Cow (yes, the 'cow', gau-mata, the female one that gives milk) slaughtering is already banned in most parts of India and all of northern India including Maharashtra and Hariyana, it is allowed in some states under conditions. Now, how they ban something to polish their pro-Hindu credentials that is already banned? So they have banned slaughter of bulls and bullocks also, ignoring the fact that Hindus don't have any concept of gau-pita.

2. Purely "Screw them" mentality, you know whom!

Indian buffaloes are in important source of milk supply today and yield nearly three times as much milk as cows. More than half of the total milk produced (55%) in the country was contributed by the 47.22 million milch buffaloes, where as the 57.0 million cows contribute only 45% of the total milk yield.

If to see in terms of economy and increasing income of cattle growers then it can increase dairy products market. Just imagine Indian dairy products all over the international market.

 

[dray]

There is no 'undeclared PM'. Congress has worked out that formula before itself. One titular head from Gandhi family to prevent infighting and a competent PM to run the show. Else BJP had done dramabazi to say that Sonia wanted to become PM in 2004 also and that Sushma Swaraj had threatened to shave her head if that happened. Modi's clever ploy was to bring in a Presidential style election where only one person should have been placed to fight against him, that had to be RG. Sonia was Italian so it had to be RG. My suspicion is that if UPA 3 had happened, MMS would have started his term and Antony would have taken in midway. Point is that he has the cleanest image. Now we don't like his complete adherence to beuraucracy, but there are many who would like his absolutely honest image. I would have liked Chidambaram.

I don't like this ambiguity, I think most people don't, they must be open about who will be in charge. However, Sonia Gandhi was desperate about making Rahul the PM, and he would have been the PM, no doubt about it.