Bitter truth about Pak floods

[Signalian]

Only if you could infer, the solution in pakistan's perspective is dams. But since it involves political parties. They don't agree to this because of two reasons. First is time span and the parties do things that they can show for next election whereas dams take decade to build. Second is ethnic, every party has vested interest as per their agenda which can be foreign or domestic support base.

Here comes the fun part which will definitely hurt you as it concerns army boys: Every one voted for extension of coas but when it comes to creating census for making dams. They are nowhere to be seen. Musharaf could have made the kalabagh but he never did. No chief wants to mess with Zardari.

The other solution in sponge cities but that requires lot of money.

If Dams take decades to build, then what about drainage systems and water storage areas like reservoirs ? The reservoirs can store water for irrigation while drainage systems can take water to recycling plants.

An issue of city planning is that low lying or storage areas have been over taken by population. The natural water storage areas have vanished.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

If Dams take decades to build, then what about drainage systems and water storage areas like reservoirs ? The reservoirs can store water for irrigation while drainage systems can take water to recycling plants.

An issue of city planning is that low lying or storage areas have been over taken by population. The natural water storage areas have vanished.

Bhai are you a moderator?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Signalian @Olympus81

If Dams take decades to build, then what about drainage systems and water storage areas like reservoirs ?

There is a simple low cost solution. Ancient, low tech and indigenous. Build zillions of small farm ponds on your farms- typically at the lowest point in the farm. The rainwater and floodwater collects in these ponds. Some is lost by evaporation for sure, but the rest of it percolates underground and recharges groundwater and aquifers.

It takes a few days- typically in the dry season pre kharif season to build. The cost is also quite reasonable, I think INR 100 per cubic metre or so- mainly labour cost. It will work reasonably well. The problem is it wont make much money for the powers that be.

Regards

 

[Olympus81]

@Signalian @Olympus81

If Dams take decades to build, then what about drainage systems and water storage areas like reservoirs ?

There is a simple low cost solution. Ancient, low tech and indigenous. Build zillions of small farm ponds on your farms- typically at the lowest point in the farm. The rainwater and floodwater collects in these ponds. Some is lost by evaporation for sure, but the rest of it percolates underground and recharges groundwater and aquifers.

It takes a few days- typically in the dry season pre kharif season to build. The cost is also quite reasonable, I think INR 100 per cubic metre or so- mainly labour cost. It will work reasonably well. The problem is it wont make much money for the powers that be.

Regards

Well yes.

What they call these here in South East Asia are ‘monkey cheek’. These reservoirs can be quickly built by educating farmers and pointing out the best location of the cheek. Usually low lying areas.

Additional advantage, include keeping the groundwater charged. Normally drought ridden land loses ability to hold water.

Thailand despite being 3 times smaller than Pakistan has an agricultural output many times more than Pakistan’s. Top 5 producer of rice, rubber, maize etc.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

@RiazHaq @Joe Shearer @waz @Wood

Normally, I am a bit skeptical about countries blaming its own predicaments on others but in this case, I think Pak has a right to feel aggrieved. Not sure what Pak could have done to either avert the tragedy or ease the people's suffering post event. The whole subcontinent, large swaths of sub Saharan Africa are in the same boat

https://www.dawn.com/news/1707526/in...responsibility

IT is an extremely unfair equation: though Pakistan is responsible for only a small fraction of a single percentage point when it comes to historical global carbon dioxide emissions, it is among the countries most vulnerable to climate change wrought by pollution. Its vulnerabilities have now been brought to the fore after weeks of unnaturally high rainfall were triggered by an extended spell of heatwaves — the latter a key symptom of global warming, which scientists have been warning the world about for decades.

Part of the blame — for example, for not doing more to mitigate the effects of climate change — may lie with us, but it is not unreasonable, given the reams of scientific evidence on the subject, to expect rich, developed nations, which generate the bulk of the pollutants that have triggered climate change, to take greater responsibility.

It is unfair that our people are once again paying with their lives, homes and livelihoods for the damage wreaked on the global climate by much larger, far more industrialised nations, while the latter bear few of the costs for their rapacious activities.

The ‘thoughts and prayers’ sent by some world leaders seem quite inadequate in this respect, considering that their countries have played such an outsized role in throwing the global climate off kilter.

It is also unfortunate that even the material aid that has been sent so far by the more proactive nations seems quite underwhelming given the scale of the disaster that it is meant to ameliorate. The challenges faced by the global economy may be one of the reasons why some otherwise responsible nations have been slow in their response to Islamabad’s requests for assistance. It is hoped that politics is not among those reasons.

The natural disaster Pakistan is facing is not an outcome of its own policy options but a consequence of choices made by others. It has a right to some form of reparations given the sheer cost of what it is being forced to bear.

Wide income disparities mean most people in Pakistan have little in terms of personal wealth. Yet, they are also resilient and have always found ways to help each other despite their meagre resources whenever catastrophe strikes. Even now, while suffering backbreaking inflation — currently at levels not seen in decades — the country is pulling together to contribute and rebuild. It will need all the help it can get.

If millions and billions can continue to be poured into wars that kill and destroy, the world can also find funds to restore and rebuild. The cost of the climate crisis must not be for the most vulnerable countries to bear alone. The developed nations must take responsibility to restore at least some of the damage their actions have caused.

Regards

Valid points but nobody really cares. For a fraction of what's spent on weapon systems and wars almost all of affected poor countries can be saved

 

[truthseeker2010]

If Dams take decades to build, then what about drainage systems and water storage areas like reservoirs ? The reservoirs can store water for irrigation while drainage systems can take water to recycling plants.

An issue of city planning is that low lying or storage areas have been over taken by population. The natural water storage areas have vanished.

You will need another punjab canal level system to stop flooding that you witness once in decade like this year. That canal system was made by the british. Pakistan now does not have neither the financial or engineering resources to do that.

Water storage if you are talking about mini dams you will need that in very large numbers with solid built not the ones you currently had in balochistan that just got overflown and went with floods.

The issue in pakistan with most of the things is that there will be rules on paper but reality would be opposite. Ideally there should be no settlements in flood prone area. But that is not possible as majority of people's livelihood depends on river or its canal in one way or the other.

This is a country that cannot bring together reserves to look after its citizens in times of crisis, yet, chooses to spend on costly PDM politicians we now seeing holidaying in Canadian tours, it really makes me sick to my stomach, they and their filthy families all belong in a dirty hell hole prison for life!

This is because generals wants to rule this country. Not elected people because when generals surround themselves with idiots anything they do they think is better.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Olympus81

What they call these here in South East Asia are ‘monkey cheek’.

Thanks that was very helpful.

Thailand despite being 3 times smaller than Pakistan has an agricultural output many times more than Pakistan’s.

Well, Thailand has done well for sure but this comparison is a tad unfair. Pak's total area including occupied Kashmir is 900,000 sq km but only 25% of that cultivable. Thailands area is 510,000 sq km, most of it is arable.

Regards

 

[nahtanbob]

@RiazHaq @Joe Shearer @waz @Wood

Normally, I am a bit skeptical about countries blaming its own predicaments on others but in this case, I think Pak has a right to feel aggrieved. Not sure what Pak could have done to either avert the tragedy or ease the people's suffering post event. The whole subcontinent, large swaths of sub Saharan Africa are in the same boat

https://www.dawn.com/news/1707526/in...responsibility

IT is an extremely unfair equation: though Pakistan is responsible for only a small fraction of a single percentage point when it comes to historical global carbon dioxide emissions, it is among the countries most vulnerable to climate change wrought by pollution. Its vulnerabilities have now been brought to the fore after weeks of unnaturally high rainfall were triggered by an extended spell of heatwaves — the latter a key symptom of global warming, which scientists have been warning the world about for decades.

Part of the blame — for example, for not doing more to mitigate the effects of climate change — may lie with us, but it is not unreasonable, given the reams of scientific evidence on the subject, to expect rich, developed nations, which generate the bulk of the pollutants that have triggered climate change, to take greater responsibility.

It is unfair that our people are once again paying with their lives, homes and livelihoods for the damage wreaked on the global climate by much larger, far more industrialised nations, while the latter bear few of the costs for their rapacious activities.

The ‘thoughts and prayers’ sent by some world leaders seem quite inadequate in this respect, considering that their countries have played such an outsized role in throwing the global climate off kilter.

It is also unfortunate that even the material aid that has been sent so far by the more proactive nations seems quite underwhelming given the scale of the disaster that it is meant to ameliorate. The challenges faced by the global economy may be one of the reasons why some otherwise responsible nations have been slow in their response to Islamabad’s requests for assistance. It is hoped that politics is not among those reasons.

The natural disaster Pakistan is facing is not an outcome of its own policy options but a consequence of choices made by others. It has a right to some form of reparations given the sheer cost of what it is being forced to bear.

Wide income disparities mean most people in Pakistan have little in terms of personal wealth. Yet, they are also resilient and have always found ways to help each other despite their meagre resources whenever catastrophe strikes. Even now, while suffering backbreaking inflation — currently at levels not seen in decades — the country is pulling together to contribute and rebuild. It will need all the help it can get.

If millions and billions can continue to be poured into wars that kill and destroy, the world can also find funds to restore and rebuild. The cost of the climate crisis must not be for the most vulnerable countries to bear alone. The developed nations must take responsibility to restore at least some of the damage their actions have caused.

Regards

Keep in mind due to population explosion lot of homes have been built in the flood plains. Nothing will save you in the flood plains when there is above normal rainfall

 

[SoulSpokesman]

British MP demands cancellation of Pakistan's int'l debt | The Express Tribune

Inflation in Pakistan is at an all-time high at 27%! Pakistan’s international debt should be immediately cancelled, British MP Claudia Webbe tweeted

tribune.com.pk

There is an increasing sensitivity towards Pak's case globally now.

Regards

 

[Catalystic]

All i see is that the powerful in Pakistan keep getting opportunities to loot, now they will loot the AID that came from foreign nations. (Probably done that already).
Ofcourse those poor in balochistan, sindh and kp…..on their own, except few tokens helped few ppl for media photos

The ones who suffer…..on their own, keep dying of hunger and diseases

 

[HAIDER]

@RiazHaq @Joe Shearer @waz @Wood

Normally, I am a bit skeptical about countries blaming its own predicaments on others but in this case, I think Pak has a right to feel aggrieved. Not sure what Pak could have done to either avert the tragedy or ease the people's suffering post event. The whole subcontinent, large swaths of sub Saharan Africa are in the same boat

https://www.dawn.com/news/1707526/in...responsibility

IT is an extremely unfair equation: though Pakistan is responsible for only a small fraction of a single percentage point when it comes to historical global carbon dioxide emissions, it is among the countries most vulnerable to climate change wrought by pollution. Its vulnerabilities have now been brought to the fore after weeks of unnaturally high rainfall were triggered by an extended spell of heatwaves — the latter a key symptom of global warming, which scientists have been warning the world about for decades.

Part of the blame — for example, for not doing more to mitigate the effects of climate change — may lie with us, but it is not unreasonable, given the reams of scientific evidence on the subject, to expect rich, developed nations, which generate the bulk of the pollutants that have triggered climate change, to take greater responsibility.

It is unfair that our people are once again paying with their lives, homes and livelihoods for the damage wreaked on the global climate by much larger, far more industrialised nations, while the latter bear few of the costs for their rapacious activities.

The ‘thoughts and prayers’ sent by some world leaders seem quite inadequate in this respect, considering that their countries have played such an outsized role in throwing the global climate off kilter.

It is also unfortunate that even the material aid that has been sent so far by the more proactive nations seems quite underwhelming given the scale of the disaster that it is meant to ameliorate. The challenges faced by the global economy may be one of the reasons why some otherwise responsible nations have been slow in their response to Islamabad’s requests for assistance. It is hoped that politics is not among those reasons.

The natural disaster Pakistan is facing is not an outcome of its own policy options but a consequence of choices made by others. It has a right to some form of reparations given the sheer cost of what it is being forced to bear.

Wide income disparities mean most people in Pakistan have little in terms of personal wealth. Yet, they are also resilient and have always found ways to help each other despite their meagre resources whenever catastrophe strikes. Even now, while suffering backbreaking inflation — currently at levels not seen in decades — the country is pulling together to contribute and rebuild. It will need all the help it can get.

If millions and billions can continue to be poured into wars that kill and destroy, the world can also find funds to restore and rebuild. The cost of the climate crisis must not be for the most vulnerable countries to bear alone. The developed nations must take responsibility to restore at least some of the damage their actions have caused.

Regards

There are hundreds of examples in Sindh and other regions of Pakistan, where construction is not allowed because they are in the flood path. But our corrupt politicians and bureaucracy sell plots in Sindh delta without telling the buyers of long term consequences of the flood.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@HAIDER

Haider bhai,

That sadly is true for all developing countries. For eg in India too, river floodplains, wetlands and ponds have been encroached upon. I am sure you have heard about the Bangalore floods on right now.

Regards

 

[HAIDER]

@HAIDER

Haider bhai,

That sadly is true for all developing countries. For eg in India too, river floodplains, wetlands and ponds have been encroached upon. I am sure you have heard about the Bangalore floods on right now.

Regards

A massive burst of population, buying power, and a totally failed law and order situation. Water needs its path and it destroys even settled area which is not supposed to be.

This woman is killed by land mafia , she points out what will happen to Karachi after land encroachment by the land mafia . Look at constant disaster in Karachi due to land grabbing.

She had been an outspoken critic of the land mafias in Karachi and their political patrons. In 2020, a joint investigation team (JIT) had told the Supreme Court that the motive behind the killing of Rahman was land grabbing. "The motive behind her murder was to grab the OPP office land.Dec 17, 2021

 

[FuturePAF]

If the current PM is going to the Queen’s funeral, at the very least they should try to raise this issue with the new king who claims to be a self professed environmentalist. If Pakistan is to bear the brunt for emissions of others it should be compensated when climate change comes to Pakistan. Otherwise Pakistan should not illumine exempt from emissions restrictions but get exemptions on exports to compensate it for deal with the climate created by others. Anything short is an admission that all this climate change restrictions are just to hold back developing nations from industrializing they ways others have done for the last two centuries.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

@HAIDER

Haider bhai,

That sadly is true for all developing countries. For eg in India too, river floodplains, wetlands and ponds have been encroached upon. I am sure you have heard about the Bangalore floods on right now.

Regards

Abbe ye chutiyon ki tareh regards kyun likhta rehta hai dhakkan? This is not Linkedin lmao