Bitter Hindutva's urge to rewrite history

[W.11]

Bitter Hindus feel an urge to rewrite history and they accuse British of being partial to Invaders (read muslim dynasties).

I do agree that colonial history was partial but it was not singularly partial against hindus, but muslims as well, as they had faced war of independence and they wanted to retaliate against Muslims because of it. They also did consider hindus as racially inferior and that came because of polytheism of the hindus (pagaism which british christian were against and also superiority complex of conquering hindus/india).

regards

 

[vi-va]

Bitter Hindus feel an urge to rewrite history and they accuse British of being partial to Invaders (read muslim dynasties).

I do agree that colonial history was partial but it was not singularly partial against hindus, but muslims as well, as they had faced war of independence and they wanted to retaliate against Muslims because of it. They also did consider hindus as racially inferior and that came because of polytheism of the hindus (pagaism which british christian were against and also superiority complex of conquering hindus/india).

regards

They have been doing that since 73 years ago. Did I missed something?

 

[fallstuff]

Bitter Hindus feel an urge to rewrite history and they accuse British of being partial to Invaders (read muslim dynasties).

I do agree that colonial history was partial but it was not singularly partial against hindus, but muslims as well, as they had faced war of independence and they wanted to retaliate against Muslims because of it. They also did consider hindus as racially inferior and that came because of polytheism of the hindus (pagaism which british christian were against and also superiority complex of conquering hindus/india).

regards

This is the dude who was lamenting that Ghengis Khan stopped at Indus River in a YouTube video. Somehow he was hoping that a Mongol invasion would have helped kicking the Muslim rulers out of Delhi.

He has no clue what the Mongolians did when they sacked a city !

 

[sjalal19]

Why history only. Why not science as well based on India’s traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events and also ancient Celtic myths and folklores. This is what Modi wants.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Mahrata didn't end Mughuls. He said Mahrata completely ended the mughuls lmao. I am like what the fuk dude. Mahrata pushed back the mughuls but never ended them as they both got invaded by the British amidst their war in 1818 and both were surprised and got caught of guard since they didn't believe the british would bring everything into India and gamble on it so much. At first the british were bystanders but once their war heated they jumped in. The British would have never allowed the mahrata to take Delhi as they had the same desires. The believe in the subcontinent was whoever takes delhi rules there for a century and there was alot of prophecies and the british somehow believed in these prophecies themselves for reasons that are unknown but the truth is they wanted to loot India.

Some ludicrous revisionism going on with this guy

 

[Suriya]

This is the dude who was lamenting that Ghengis Khan stopped at Indus River in a YouTube video. Somehow he was hoping that a Mongol invasion would have helped kicking the Muslim rulers out of Delhi.

He has no clue what the Mongolians did when they sacked a city !

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

Ganghis Khan was not buddist but he believed in Tengrism in the lord of the blue sky. One of the reasons most of the mongols converted is due to Tengrism as it shares alot of similarities with monotheistic religions. Majority of the mongols were followers of Tengrism.

And No they would literally sack everything they captured if people didn't surrender on first hand. They gave 2 rules either surrender or become completely destroyed and they followed thru these 2 choices. They were legit savages and if they had entered and stayed the Indian population would have been around only 100m today rather then 1.4B.

They could have made you into the Native Americans and hack the Muslims themselves could have done that if they were barbarians but they were civilized and had rules binding them to human rights hence why you flourished under Muslim rule and multiplied

 

[khanmubashir]

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

First Genghis khan wasn't as Buddhist but tengerist religion evolved in steppes of central Asia sonny second Google what he did to Buddhist Chinese burnt and massacre entire cities and provinces of Buddhist u chutyabhakts In bigotry of Muslim even forget the basic facts
He does didn't invade India because first his forces were exhausted in campaign against khwarzim empire second there was insurrection in some of his conquered Chinese territories had to secure em first ;*

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

First Genghis khan wasn't as Buddhist but tengerist religion evolved in steppes of central Asia sonny second Google what he did to Buddhist Chinese burnt and massacre entire cities and provinces of Buddhist u chutyabhakts In bigotry of Muslim even forget the basic facts
He does didn't invade India because first his forces were exhausted in campaign against khwarzim empire second there was insurrection in some of his conquered Chinese territories had to secure em first ;*

 

[Suriya]

@khanmubashir @Mohamed Bin Tughlaq



Yet, one most astonishing and popular myth goes that the Mongols including Genghis Khan innately regarded India as sacrosanct and inviolable. Many strongly believe that Genghis Khan’s ritual of Tengir worship resembled the ancient Indian tantric rituals.

But the most common legend is the one mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols: that Genghis Khan was stopped by a “Unicorn” who spoke with the voice of his dead father and conveyed to him that invading India would not be blissful and it would go against his fortune. Genghis Khan took it as a blessing and immediately turned back from Afghanistan along with his troops.

The stories also go that his advisors advised him against touching Buddhist monasteries in Turfan and Khotan – considered then as symbols of Indian wisdom. Some Mongol Buddhists also consider Genghis Khan to be a reincarnation of Bodhisattva Vajrapani.

While these could be termed as myths, historical records do prove that those Mongol descendants avowed to the Islamic faith such as Babur did not spare India while those who embraced Buddhism such as Kublai Khan revered India and proclaimed themselves as Chakravartin Khans.

In fact, the Mongols were so inherently rooted in Indic religion that even after their disintegration by the 13th-14th century, they took to Buddhism albeit through the Manchus and Tibetans. By the 16th century, the vernacular Mongolian Buddhism, which had direct roots in Sanskrit, was overshadowed by the Tibetan Lama orthodoxy under the patronage of the Manchu Chin’g Dynasty and lasts until now. In fact, the last theocratic ruler of Mongolia Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, who was dethroned in 1920 in a Communists Revolution, was considered the reincarnation of a Bengali scholar Acharya Taranatha.

It is interesting to see how, in the 21st century, the Mongols are speedily returning to the global stage with their lost Mongol-Buddhist identity. Today, Genghis Khan stirs Mongol nationalism. He enjoys a divine status on both sides of the Mongolia-China border. His birth anniversary is celebrated with fervour both in Inner and Outer Mongolia.

Genghis Khan and India-Mongolia Relations | Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

It would be befitting to dedicate the 60th Anniversary of Indo-Mongolian Diplomatic Relations this year to the great Asian hero Genghis Khan.

idsa.in

 

[Titanium100]

@khanmubashir @Mohamed Bin Tughlaq



Yet, one most astonishing and popular myth goes that the Mongols including Genghis Khan innately regarded India as sacrosanct and inviolable. Many strongly believe that Genghis Khan’s ritual of Tengir worship resembled the ancient Indian tantric rituals.

But the most common legend is the one mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols: that Genghis Khan was stopped by a “Unicorn” who spoke with the voice of his dead father and conveyed to him that invading India would not be blissful and it would go against his fortune. Genghis Khan took it as a blessing and immediately turned back from Afghanistan along with his troops.

The stories also go that his advisors advised him against touching Buddhist monasteries in Turfan and Khotan – considered then as symbols of Indian wisdom. Some Mongol Buddhists also consider Genghis Khan to be a reincarnation of Bodhisattva Vajrapani.

While these could be termed as myths, historical records do prove that those Mongol descendants avowed to the Islamic faith such as Babur did not spare India while those who embraced Buddhism such as Kublai Khan revered India and proclaimed themselves as Chakravartin Khans.

In fact, the Mongols were so inherently rooted in Indic religion that even after their disintegration by the 13th-14th century, they took to Buddhism albeit through the Manchus and Tibetans. By the 16th century, the vernacular Mongolian Buddhism, which had direct roots in Sanskrit, was overshadowed by the Tibetan Lama orthodoxy under the patronage of the Manchu Chin’g Dynasty and lasts until now. In fact, the last theocratic ruler of Mongolia Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, who was dethroned in 1920 in a Communists Revolution, was considered the reincarnation of a Bengali scholar Acharya Taranatha.

It is interesting to see how, in the 21st century, the Mongols are speedily returning to the global stage with their lost Mongol-Buddhist identity. Today, Genghis Khan stirs Mongol nationalism. He enjoys a divine status on both sides of the Mongolia-China border. His birth anniversary is celebrated with fervour both in Inner and Outer Mongolia.

Genghis Khan and India-Mongolia Relations | Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

It would be befitting to dedicate the 60th Anniversary of Indo-Mongolian Diplomatic Relations this year to the great Asian hero Genghis Khan.

idsa.in

This is some great mental gymnastics. You don't know anything about the Mongol hordes and their true nature more then the Chinese, Muslim or European sources who all 3 civilizations suffered because of them.

You are assuming via alot of mental gymnastics that he would have confronted the Delhi sultanate and leave delhi and their cities untouched? That is some significiant assumptions.

That is like saying predators don't eat meat

 

[waz]

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

He wasn't Buddhist at all and believed in the one God (Heaven, God of Heaven) in Tengrism.
Buddhism came much later with Hulagu but as did Islam with Berke Khan.
Yes the religion of most people in Mongolia is Buddhism, also for many Mongol decedents their faith is Sufi Islam e.g. Kazakhstan, and other Turkic states where the Mongols settled down.

 

[saiyan0321]

He wasn't Buddhist at all and believed in the one God (Heaven, God of Heaven) in Tengrism.
Buddhism came much later with Hulagu but as did Islam with Berke Khan.
Yes the religion of most people in Mongolia is Buddhism, also for many Mongol decedents their faith is Sufi Islam e.g. Kazakhstan, and other Turkic states where the Mongols settled down.

Infact Genghis khan also attributed his success to tengri the sky god also known as the God of the Turks. There is no evidence to suggest that Genghis khan was a Buddhist especially considering how his actions were absolutely opposite to Buddhism. Infact the actions of Genghis khan was extremely brutal and who says he would have been lenient to the subcontinent. What fantasy is that?

The Mongols pursued jalal ud din all the way to Indus, burning and pillaging any city that didn't surrender to them or offered them any support. Herat, ghazni, Merv were all destroyed by the Mongols and they didn't stop there. The army if the Mongols entered the regions of Lahore and Multan chasing and pillaging despite being stretched after the fall of khawerizm and battle of Indus 1221. No unicorn came there to stop them.

And then when the Mongols attacked Kashmir in 1235 and wreaked havoc there and when they rebelled in 1251, they were put down heavily through extreme brutality. The impact was such that Kashmir remained a subject to the Mongols till the 1300s when their power started to wane in the region.

Or when they sacked Peshawar. Chalo these were the evil pashtun areas that have nothing to do with akhand Bharat. What about Lahore in 1241 and the massacres they did then. They killed indiscriminately Muslims and non-muslims and their actions assured every single king in the region that if the Mongols crossed the Indus, only death would be home to the subcontinent. Such was the impact that no Indian king made overtures to the Mongols and balban made it his policy to make sure that Mongols are kept at bay, policy which saved many states of India, since their initial target was always Delhi. Infact the Mongols made it their expansionist policy to repeatedly invade through the best and most viable route for any invasion to the subcontinent which was the way along the Khyber pass to Peshawar to cross the Indus River and invade Punjab. The sultanate made it its policy to make Indus the barrier and Lahore, Multan the fortresses against the Mongols. The Mongols continued to invade, sometimes losing, other times ravaging the region and other times getting tribute. Balban. Khilji. Tughluq all made a Mongol policy on dealing with them

Infact these C grade historians have no clue. The impact of the word Mongol such in the regions of modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan and India that Babur often cited him from Timur rather than Genghis and focused more on Timur and in his baburnama he writes repeatedly that he was not fond of Mongols and saw the name of Mongols as bad.

"Were the mughal an angel race, it would be bad, even write in gold the mughal name would be bad"

The mughal was a Mongol term and the mughals called their state Gurkani, a continuation of timurid ( who also called their state Gurkani) rather than Mongol empire. Timur was also seen as the continuous Mongol invasion.


Point is that to bring Mongols upon yourself is just as absurd an idea as to being Japan on yourself in WWII. Genocidal armies are genocidal armies.

India is undergoing insane revisionism as authors are publishing books based on hearsay or ill-gotten statements to revise history and publish a narrative. There was a book on mughal kings as well which was a long long rant on how evil they were.

So expect such madness where Mongols will be presented as reincarnation of some saviour being salvation from the Muslim kings and I am not saying the Muslim kings were playing a grand role of saving the subcontinent. Their interest was their empire however their actions did save many states of India from the monstrous massacres that ravaged half the world.

Lastly the golden horde also converted to Islam and the Mongols Islamic conversion played a leading role in Islam in central Asia so I have no idea where this Mongols were Buddhist wrath bringing Hinduism stuff comes in.
Alauddin was determined to fight to the end. As Lal describes it, he told his advisor,

“How could he hold the sovereignty of Delhi if he shuddered to encounter the invaders? What would his contemporaries and those adversaries who had marched two thousand kos to fight him say when he ‘hid behind a camel’s back’? And what verdict would posterity pronounce on him? How could he dare show his countenance to anybody, or even enter the royal harem, if he was guilty of cowardice, and endeavoured to repel the Mongols with diplomacy and negotiations? … ‘Come what may, I am bent upon marching tomorrow into the plain of Kili, where I propose joining in battle with Qutlugh Khwaja.’”

Alauddin met Qutlugh Khwaja at Kili, and the day was won by the bravery and martyrdom of his general Zafar Khan. (That the Mongols retreated because of Zafar Khan’s actions is the only explanation postulated by Barani, and quoted by Lal and Chandra; however, Jackson doubts this explanation and says the real reason the Mongols withdrew was that Qutlugh Khwaja was mortally wounded in the battle, a fact confirmed by other sources.) The defeated Mongols went back to their country without stopping once on the way.

 

[khanmubashir]

@khanmubashir @Mohamed Bin Tughlaq



Yet, one most astonishing and popular myth goes that the Mongols including Genghis Khan innately regarded India as sacrosanct and inviolable. Many strongly believe that Genghis Khan’s ritual of Tengir worship resembled the ancient Indian tantric rituals.

But the most common legend is the one mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols: that Genghis Khan was stopped by a “Unicorn” who spoke with the voice of his dead father and conveyed to him that invading India would not be blissful and it would go against his fortune. Genghis Khan took it as a blessing and immediately turned back from Afghanistan along with his troops.

The stories also go that his advisors advised him against touching Buddhist monasteries in Turfan and Khotan – considered then as symbols of Indian wisdom. Some Mongol Buddhists also consider Genghis Khan to be a reincarnation of Bodhisattva Vajrapani.

While these could be termed as myths, historical records do prove that those Mongol descendants avowed to the Islamic faith such as Babur did not spare India while those who embraced Buddhism such as Kublai Khan revered India and proclaimed themselves as Chakravartin Khans.

In fact, the Mongols were so inherently rooted in Indic religion that even after their disintegration by the 13th-14th century, they took to Buddhism albeit through the Manchus and Tibetans. By the 16th century, the vernacular Mongolian Buddhism, which had direct roots in Sanskrit, was overshadowed by the Tibetan Lama orthodoxy under the patronage of the Manchu Chin’g Dynasty and lasts until now. In fact, the last theocratic ruler of Mongolia Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, who was dethroned in 1920 in a Communists Revolution, was considered the reincarnation of a Bengali scholar Acharya Taranatha.

It is interesting to see how, in the 21st century, the Mongols are speedily returning to the global stage with their lost Mongol-Buddhist identity. Today, Genghis Khan stirs Mongol nationalism. He enjoys a divine status on both sides of the Mongolia-China border. His birth anniversary is celebrated with fervour both in Inner and Outer Mongolia.

Genghis Khan and India-Mongolia Relations | Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

It would be befitting to dedicate the 60th Anniversary of Indo-Mongolian Diplomatic Relations this year to the great Asian hero Genghis Khan.

idsa.in

Source idsa.in typical chutyabhakt bs for chutyabhakts like u
Talking unicorn
Genghis khan didn't invade India because he at time had to much on his plate replenish forces consolidate hold on newly conquered khwarzim empire crush insurrection in Chinese territories
And chutyabhakt think the tengerist man who killed the most Buddhist at that time by killing people of China was somehow in love with Hindu India

Btw Chinese and Mongol look alike classified as mongoloids together Indians Iranian Afghan classified Aryan race

Genghis khan didn't even spare the Mongol Tribes fellow countrymen and believers who didn't accept his lordship killed every boy taller then a wagon wheel but u chutyabhakts think was in love with Hindu just because he also fought against Muslim to establish own empire ??

And all this bs fed to u chutyabhakts by yr own chutyabhakt Godi media

Grandsons of Genghis khan did send forces to conquer India but we're repelled by aludin khilji my child

@khanmubashir @Mohamed Bin Tughlaq



Yet, one most astonishing and popular myth goes that the Mongols including Genghis Khan innately regarded India as sacrosanct and inviolable. Many strongly believe that Genghis Khan’s ritual of Tengir worship resembled the ancient Indian tantric rituals.

But the most common legend is the one mentioned in the Secret History of the Mongols: that Genghis Khan was stopped by a “Unicorn” who spoke with the voice of his dead father and conveyed to him that invading India would not be blissful and it would go against his fortune. Genghis Khan took it as a blessing and immediately turned back from Afghanistan along with his troops.

The stories also go that his advisors advised him against touching Buddhist monasteries in Turfan and Khotan – considered then as symbols of Indian wisdom. Some Mongol Buddhists also consider Genghis Khan to be a reincarnation of Bodhisattva Vajrapani.

While these could be termed as myths, historical records do prove that those Mongol descendants avowed to the Islamic faith such as Babur did not spare India while those who embraced Buddhism such as Kublai Khan revered India and proclaimed themselves as Chakravartin Khans.

In fact, the Mongols were so inherently rooted in Indic religion that even after their disintegration by the 13th-14th century, they took to Buddhism albeit through the Manchus and Tibetans. By the 16th century, the vernacular Mongolian Buddhism, which had direct roots in Sanskrit, was overshadowed by the Tibetan Lama orthodoxy under the patronage of the Manchu Chin’g Dynasty and lasts until now. In fact, the last theocratic ruler of Mongolia Jebtsundamba Khutuktu, who was dethroned in 1920 in a Communists Revolution, was considered the reincarnation of a Bengali scholar Acharya Taranatha.

It is interesting to see how, in the 21st century, the Mongols are speedily returning to the global stage with their lost Mongol-Buddhist identity. Today, Genghis Khan stirs Mongol nationalism. He enjoys a divine status on both sides of the Mongolia-China border. His birth anniversary is celebrated with fervour both in Inner and Outer Mongolia.

Genghis Khan and India-Mongolia Relations | Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

It would be befitting to dedicate the 60th Anniversary of Indo-Mongolian Diplomatic Relations this year to the great Asian hero Genghis Khan.

idsa.in

Source idsa.in typical chutyabhakt bs for chutyabhakts like u
Talking unicorn
Genghis khan didn't invade India because he at time had to much on his plate replenish forces consolidate hold on newly conquered khwarzim empire crush insurrection in Chinese territories
And chutyabhakt think the tengerist man who killed the most Buddhist at that time by killing people of China was somehow in love with Hindu India

Btw Chinese and Mongol look alike classified as mongoloids together Indians Iranian Afghan classified Aryan race

Genghis khan didn't even spare the Mongol Tribes fellow countrymen and believers who didn't accept his lordship killed every boy taller then a wagon wheel but u chutyabhakts think was in love with Hindu just because he also fought against Muslim to establish own empire ??

And all this bs fed to u chutyabhakts by yr own chutyabhakt Godi media

Grandsons of Genghis khan did send forces to conquer India but we're repelled by aludin khilji my child

 

[GumNaam]

what can they possibly rewrite? that it was all a part of their grand master plan to actually want to get assraped by a thousand years by the Arabs & Moghuls?

 

[fallstuff]

He knows far more than what you knows of History.

He is right. Mongols were Buddhists who didn't religiously motivated to destroy temples and religious statues unlike Muslim invaders.

In fact some expert suggest since India is the birth place of Buddhism, Ghengis Khan being Buddist hesitated to shed blood in India and hence didn't invade india.

Mongols decades later did manage to sack Delhi, and yes they slaughtered everyone.