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Here's some more life (and death) among the taliban in Helmand as reported by the BBC-

Fighting The Taliban In Afghanistan-Dec. 12, 2009 BBC

"The other incident was murkier both in its confused detail and dark sub-text.

Marines had mortared two men believed to be setting an IED in an area not far away. A villager later presented two dead children at their base, claiming they had been killed by American fire.

But the children, according to those who had seen them or photographs of them, had been shot. The marines said they had information that a local Taliban commander had ordered it, just so that the Americans would be blamed.

When I asked one young officer about that business, the night before we went out on the operation, he had fixed me in his gaze and said:
'I will be happy to go out and kill those people.'"

What won't these animals do?

Thanks.:usflag:
 
Since when did a rag a tag bunch of paid mercanaries from Uzbek FATA, NWFP become a nation ?

When the Afghan Army fights the ISAF you can make such shallow and stupid comments.

I think Allah is wise as those 2000 idiots will be meeting him soon. ISAF will loose just a few poor souls.

Dreaming is good but this time do it without any weed.

Regards

Your are underestimating Afghan Talaban , what happened to previous operation executed by ISAF?

Result will be same .
 
"World Poorest nation Vs ISAF..."

I see our favorite taliban irhabist mouthpiece is continuing his miscreant work when he clearly knows that ISAF serves Afghanistan's quest for stabilization per the U.N. mandate and Bonn Accords. The same quest that is seeked by the government of Pakistan, who has formal relations with the nation of Afghanistan and maintains both an embassy as well as four consulates within that country.

More oddities by tongue-twister who pursuit of the truth is illusory.:agree:

Thanks.:usflag:


US is responsible to make UN an ineffective organisation by using it for its own intrests .

World of nation should restructure UN to fullfill their need of peace and development .

I will start a new thread for UNO soon

S2,

Almost all members know that you are war vatren so their possibility you are suffering from mental tension and depressions , in this case patient start abusing others , you need complete rest , this forum is for normal persons not for war vatren suffering from PTSD.

"Not everyone comes home with post-traumatic stress disorder, but no one comes home unchanged."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0301-06.htm
 
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Your are underestimating Afghan Talaban , what happened to previous operation executed by ISAF?

Result will be same .

The last time I checked it was Mullah Omar and AQ barbarians hiding in a cave not the ISAF.

We saw how Mullah FM and his 10000 strong warriors of God ran when the first B 52 appeared overhead ?

There is not one battle that the Taliban has won till date. They may have had an upperhand in a skirmish or two.

Helmand will be ISAF and ANA territory and you can pray as much as you wish to Allah (as well as Darth Vader your true hero) but those who stay and fight will be buried in 6 feet of sand forever.

I see you don't have that much sympathy for your TTP cousins fighting the PA like you have for your Afghan TTP version brutes. This is inspite of you having no business to poke your nose in Afghan affairs.

Regards
 
US is responsible to make UN an ineffective organisation by using it for its own intrests .

World of nation should restructure UN to fullfill their need of peace and development .

I will start a new thread for UNO soon

S2,

Almost all members know that you are war vatren so their possibility you are suffering from mental tension and depressions , in this case patient start abusing others , you need complete rest , this forum is for normal persons not for war vatren suffering from PTSD.


"Not everyone comes home with post-traumatic stress disorder, but no one comes home unchanged."
Study Details Mental Health of War Veterans

are you the same person who was giving lessons about 'personal attacks' ehh???
 
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US is responsible to make UN an ineffective organisation by using it for its own intrests .

World of nation should restructure UN to fullfill their need of peace and development .

I will start a new thread for UNO soon

S2,

Almost all members know that you are war vatren so their possibility you are suffering from mental tension and depressions , in this case patient start abusing others , you need complete rest , this forum is for normal persons not for war vatren suffering from PTSD.

"Not everyone comes home with post-traumatic stress disorder, but no one comes home unchanged."
Study Details Mental Health of War Veterans

And You Sir,

Suffer from delusions smoking to much weed while posting here. S2 is military man and this a military forum so his contributions carry some interest for us whereas yours head straight to fantasy section.

Regards

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The taliban irhabist mouthpiece has tried to put battle honors upon me. How wrong.

"Almost all members know that you are war vatren..."

As usual, the research is poor and I challenge this fool to show where I've EVER claimed to have seen battle. Have I been shot at? Yes. Here in America. Once with one bullet. The guy MISSED. Have I seen battle?

NO. Nor would I ever falsely claim such. It's a dishonor to those who have been in battle for their country to lie about such and in America it is a crime.

What a pathetic sad human we've before us.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
The last time I checked it was Mullah Omar and AQ barbarians hiding in a cave not the ISAF.

We saw how Mullah FM and his 10000 strong warriors of God ran when the first B 52 appeared overhead ?

There is not one battle that the Taliban has won till date. They may have had an upperhand in a skirmish or two.

Helmand will be ISAF and ANA territory and you can pray as much as you wish to Allah (as well as Darth Vader your true hero) but those who stay and fight will be buried in 6 feet of sand forever.

I see you don't have that much sympathy for your TTP cousins fighting the PA like you have for your Afghan TTP version brutes. This is inspite of you having no business to poke your nose in Afghan affairs.

Regards

OK ask your Prince harry not to run back to home fight like true warrior.:lol:
 
And You Sir,

Suffer from delusions smoking to much weed while posting here. S2 is military man and this a military forum so his contributions carry some interest for us whereas yours head straight to fantasy section.

Regards

:yahoo:

I have no objection for S2 stay in PDF , but he should learn to write his post in decent language, otherwise considered him suffering from PTSD .

Sorry to say we are getting no benefit of his posting majority is baised propaganda , blame game ,personal attacks nothing else.
 
Afghan Taliban has a sister branch TTP with purely Pakistani fighters mostly Pashtun and also AQ.
 
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Refrain from personal attacks please, for the umpteenth time, and speak to the topic, which is 'THE HELMAND OFFENSIVE'
 
Since the Taliban are claiming a spiritual upperhand, perhaps more level headed and sane clerics can usher fatwas against them before a large skirmish takes place so that more surrender. We are all tired of war but some elements are mindset on taking us back to 1784. They tried and were winning uptil General K took the helm in my opinion. And Lal Masjid Operation was completely founded. Which mosque in other Islamic countries have a private female militia/police that kidnap "prostitutes" to join their ranks? Isn't this a shame for a city so clean, organized, peaceful and modern? We can't let these barbarians win but they should surrender and get justice or go to jail or prove their innocence and live under watch for a few years.

Afghan Taliban has a sister branch TTP with purely Pakistani fighters mostly Pashtun and also AQ. Their Punjab chapter has been quiet for a while now thanks to a boost in police capability. TTP has faced large defeats by Pakistan Army and ISAF support but their cut-off tentacles continue to be replenished by cross-border movement and even their regional chapters such as in Balochistan. This is according to any analyst you want to investigate.

KB,

AT and TTP have no link practically, both have different objectives infact TTP is sister organisation of Al Qaeda and financed by them.

Mullah Omar invited TTP to fight with them against US and NATO forces but they refused , their objective is to destablise Pakistan and they follow the Al Qaeda distructive idealogy.
 
Helmand Refugees Fleeing Ahead Of Anti-Taliban Offensive

By Elias Dai, Ron Synovitz
Hundreds of Afghan families have been fleeing Taliban-controlled territory in the southern Afghan province of Helmand ahead of an expected offensive by NATO and Afghan government troops.

As many as 2,000 Taliban fighters reportedly are concentrated and fortifying themselves in and around the town of Marjah.

Fearful of being caught in the violence, some residents are heading for Helmand's provincial capital of Lashkar Gah or places in neighboring Kandahar province that they consider to be relatively safe.

At the central bus station in Lashkar Gah, buses arriving straight from the town of Marjah have been packed full of the displaced in recent days. Meanwhile, many trucks can be seen along the road -- loaded with furniture, home appliances, and other personal belongings of fleeing families.

Mauwla Dad, a truck driver from Marjah, tells RFE/RL he has made more than a dozen recent journeys, shuttling families and their belongings to safe haven.

"Every day, I have been providing transportation for three or four families," Dad says. "People are leaving Marjah amid rumors that the [anti-Taliban] offensive could begin any day now."

A Radio Free Afghanistan correspondent in Helmand Province reports that villagers also are escaping to the nearby districts of Baba-ji, Nad-Ali, and Gereshk.

But Brigadier James Cowen, the British commander of Task Force Helmand, tells Reuters in Lashkar Gah that he thinks reporters are blowing the civilian movements out of proportion.

"I think those reports of fleeing residents is a little exaggerated, in fact. I mean there are some leaving the area, but by no means the numbers that the news are reporting," Cowen says, according to Reuters. "I think we may see more of that in the forthcoming days, but we are keeping a close eye on it."

Families Uprooted

Ghulam Farouq Noorzai, who heads the Afghan government's refugee affairs department in Helmand Province, says officials have formed an "emergency commission" with plans to receive 15,000 families. They have also sent a delegation to meet with UN humanitarian aid officials responsible for southern Afghanistan.

"The World Health Organization, the World Food Program, and the United Nations Refugee Agency -- the UNHCR -- have accepted our plan," Noorzai says.

Noorzai tells RFE/RL that villagers in and around Marjah are gravely concerned about the expected military offensive. He says many are staying in their homes for now because they have no place to go, but adds that a flood of displaced families are expected in Lashkar Gah and in nearby Kandahar Province once the anticipated offensive begins.

"Around 400 to 500 families already have arrived [in Lashkar Gah]," Noorzai says. "Our emergency commission is registering these displaced people. We have created a refugee center at a school ground in Lashkar Gah and plan to move them there soon."

Haji Akhtar Mohammad, a resident of Marjah, tells Reuters that he considers the offensive a necessary step by Afghan and NATO forces to keep the province free from the kind of intimidation that Taliban fighters have imposed on residents of his community.

"The military operation is being launched in our village in order to keep us from any possible danger," Mohammad says, according to Reuters. "I decided to leave the village [for now] and we are heading to Lashkar Gah to rent a house."

Military Might

Meanwhile, NATO and Afghan government checkpoints have been set up around the Marjah district in an attempt to stop Taliban fighters from slipping out of the area among the fleeing civilian population.

RFE/RL's correspondent in Helmand reports that scattered clashes were occurring today at villages in the nearby district of Nad-Ali, where NATO and Afghan government troops have set up blocking positions.

Marjah sits near the dividing line between British forces who patrol the northern part of Helmand Province and U.S. Marines who patrol the southern areas. The British-led NATO contingent is nearly 10,000 strong while U.S. forces number about 15,000.

Thousands of Afghan security forces also are expected to take part in the offensive -- codenamed "Operation Moshtarak." They include troops from the Afghan National Army as well as about 100 specialists from Afghanistan's elite police unit -- the Afghan National Civil Order Police.

Brigadier James Cown, the commander of British forces in Helmand, says the Afghan security forces will play a greater role than in any previous offensive involving NATO forces in Afghanistan.

Their training has included work on locating and removing land mines and improvised explosive devices -- which are expected to be a prevalent in terrain where Taliban fighters have been preparing defenses.

"All of our officers in the ANCOP team are ready for any kind of operation," Colonel Qadam Shah, a brigade commander in the Fifth Battalion of that elite Afghan police unit, says. "I am proud of my role for being a part of it."

U.S. Marines, the first wave of a U.S. troop surge ordered by U.S. President Barack Obama, pushed Taliban fighters out of much of southern Helmand Province last summer while British forces captured Taliban strongholds in the north.

However, those forces met weaker than expected resistance because many Taliban apparently fled to strongholds in Marjah and nearby villages. Marjah district is crisscrossed by irrigation canals -- terrain that is well suited to the Taliban's style of guerrilla tactics.

New Dynamic

NATO-led air strikes have targeted Taliban forces in previous operations where the Taliban has been concentrated. But air strikes also have the potential to alienate the local population when they miss their targets and kill innocent civilians.

NATO military leaders have said the offensive on Marjah will be one of the defining operations in their counterinsurgency campaign in Afghanistan the collapse of the Taliban regime in late 2001.

Already the U.S. troop surge has created a new dynamic on the ground in southern Afghanistan. In years past, spring offensive operations have been Taliban guerilla campaigns against NATO and Afghan government forces -- as well as bombings and assassinations of civilian Afghan officials in provincial areas.

But with thousands more foreign troops on the ground -- along with better trained and equipped Afghan security forces -- the Taliban now looks set to be on the receiving end of a spring offensive in Afghanistan.

A Taliban statement during the weekend criticized the buildup of forces around Marjah at a time when the government in Kabul has been trying to convince the Taliban that reconciliation and peace talks are possible.

Helmand Refugees Fleeing Ahead Of Anti-Taliban Offensive - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010
 
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