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imo Pak will accept Kashmir status quo (not a popular move but will happen if there's a chance of closi8ng the chapter) with some assurances as in water, greater Kashmir autonomy, less restrictive borders of Kashmir etc,
current India may not be up to it but if they come to their senses down the line in future - its a decent deal

Either do this and/or do a deal with China as in Arunachal Pradesh, Ladakh and multiple other disputes etc

a hostile neighborhood blocking em off from rest of Asia, retreating US (so no support), and a powerful neighbor taking away your old alliances, or proxy states little by little - so not a bad deal in the grand scheme of things all things considering

India should start acting as a sea focused country( if it plans to fight on), it'll be beneficial for them in the long run
current land focus should change (and is rightfully changing) to a more maritime focused country

think of yourself as an Island nation
I disagree with accepting the status quo. The Pakistani Ulema and Military Generals would not agree to that.
So did you have referendum or not in Kalat?

Pakistan's domestic history is not that important for us to be taught in school level history books in India.
The Khan of Kalat agreed to accede to Pakistan, you moron.
You know nothing of Pakistani history, or you get it from Wikipedia :D LOL

There is also Makran and Las bela princely states to discuss about which make part of modern Balochistan.

Yes in those princely states plebiscite was used.

Now shoo!
 
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You mentioned referendum in original plan you moron. Cant you be consistent in your argument or do you have Ghajini issue?
Yes you moronic posionous person. Thats is true, referendum is necessary in partition plan.
Referendum was used in Balcohistan princely states.
We are talking about Kashmir, why the irrelevant Balochistan. You consistent with your argument HAHA!
stick to Kashmir!
 
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A big message for India.... who been chasing US whenever Pak talks about the Kashmir issue.

India massively took advantage of american presence in afghanistan by increasing oppression of kashmir. But it couldnt change the minds of kashmiris even a bit though. Now americans are gone the destiny of kashmir is back in hands of india/pak/afghan/kashmiris themselves etc. Lets see how it plays out.l
 
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India massively took advantage of american presence in afghanistan by increasing oppression of kashmir. But it couldnt change the minds of kashmiris even a bit though. Now americans are gone the destiny of kashmir is back in hands of india/pak/afghan/kashmiris themselves etc. Lets see how it plays out.l
China also has a stake in Kashmir called Aksai Chin and Shaksgam Valley. Yes indeed we will see.
 
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I disagree with accepting the status quo. The Pakistani Ulema and Military Generals would not agree to that.

The Khan of Kalat agreed to accede to Pakistan, you moron.
You know nothing of Pakistani history, or you get it from Wikipedia :D LOL

There is also Makran and Las bela princely states to discuss about which make part of modern Balochistan.

Yes in those princely states plebiscite was used.

Now shoo!
yeah they'll do it bro (if things align to our goals and national interests, red lines etc) and give the blame to the political leadership...
mullahs will be mullahs though
 
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yeah they'll do it bro (if things align to our goals and national interests, red lines etc) and give the blame to the political leadership...
mullahs will be mullahs though
yeah they'll do it bro (if things align to our goals and national interests, red lines etc) and give the blame to the political leadership...
mullahs will be mullahs though
Personally I do not mind war to solve the Kashmir dispute because India keeps running away from the Plebiscite option.
Pakistan should have joined China in the 1962 war. But stupid leaders like Ayub Khan refused to take advantage of a once in a lifetime or once in centuries opportunity.
 
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Personally I do not mind war to solve the Kashmir dispute because India keeps running away from the Plebiscite option.
Pakistan should have joined China in the 1962 war. But stupid leaders like Ayub Khan refused to take advantage of a once in a lifetime or once in centuries opportunity.
Mao even called him you know lol

but hey times have changed, I am 95% sure it'll be a political settlement, unless India invades someone in the neighborhood
 
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India's stand has been clear since the beginning as consistent with the Shimla agreement 1972. We do not entertain 3rd party involvement.
Trump tried to push his nose but was told to back off.

So US is basically admitting that the era of sole-superpower has ended. It will be led by multiple powers now.

Depends on how you define superpower in the current times. The world is multipolar indeed but the domains are shifting. I think you're still thinking about the 60s. Even if you're mind is stuck in the 60s United States is still an unrivaled power militarily. The next 3-4 nations down arent even close. I think you don't understand domestic politics in the United States. The people of the united states want to move away from the military-industrial complex and want the United States to compete in other ways.

You guys tried your hand at nation-building and are crying so much. You have only donated a library. Imagine if you spent as much money in Afghanistan as the united states. I think the next 10 generations would be crying but then again India is not a world leader.
Currently, India has no designs on any territory held by Pak or China. So any 2 front war would be a defensive war where we just need to hold our ground whereas Pak or China need to come to our territory and try to dislodge us.
Defending an entrenched position is always easier and especially on the Himalayan heights.

Once China is exhausted and moves back, we will exact our revenge on Pakistan for initiating the conflict.

Not only are the politicians involved but so are the news outlets. They are actively seeking to annex an integral part of Pakistani and Chinese territories.
 
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Yes you moronic posionous person. Thats is true, referendum is necessary in partition plan.
Referendum was used in Balcohistan princely states.
We are talking about Kashmir, why the irrelevant Balochistan. You consistent with your argument HAHA!
stick to Kashmir!
Here you moron, read what your own Pak papers say.


Some excerpts from this article.

"The Khan of Kalat objected to their accession, arguing that it was a violation of Kalat’s Standstill Agreement with Pakistan."

" On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. "

" Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that the Balochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence of Balochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. "

" To say that the Baloch have been ill-treated by all governments and military establishments since their land was illegally and forcefully taken over would be an understatement. "

If you talk about referendum, then read this
 
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Here you moron, read what your own Pak papers say.


Some excerpts from this article.

"The Khan of Kalat objected to their accession, arguing that it was a violation of Kalat’s Standstill Agreement with Pakistan."

" On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. "

" Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that the Balochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence of Balochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. "

" To say that the Baloch have been ill-treated by all governments and military establishments since their land was illegally and forcefully taken over would be an understatement. "

If you talk about referendum, then read this
Hey Moron, I do not know how authentic the Pakistani news article. Hey moron you are using an Indian newsoutlet.

In the end the Khan of Kalat acceded to Pakistan, you moron.

By the way, why are you talking about Balochistan, Balochistan is not disputed territory like Kashmir.

Doing Plebiscite is part of the partition plan you moron.

What about the other princely states of Balochistan, you moron.

Clever guy using internet articles as sources.

Get me some academic sources.
Here you moron, read what your own Pak papers say.


Some excerpts from this article.

"The Khan of Kalat objected to their accession, arguing that it was a violation of Kalat’s Standstill Agreement with Pakistan."

" On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. "

" Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that the Balochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence of Balochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. "

" To say that the Baloch have been ill-treated by all governments and military establishments since their land was illegally and forcefully taken over would be an understatement. "

If you talk about referendum, then read this
Why don't you ask Balochis if they want to be part of Pakistan, obviously they will say yes! LOL :D
 
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Depends on how you define superpower in the current times. The world is multipolar indeed but the domains are shifting. I think you're still thinking about the 60s. Even if you're mind is stuck in the 60s United States is still an unrivaled power militarily. The next 3-4 nations down arent even close. I think you don't understand domestic politics in the United States. The people of the united states want to move away from the military-industrial complex and want the United States to compete in other ways.
The world would be more peaceful if the military industrial lobby can be controlled in US. Lets see how it goes.

You guys tried your hand at nation-building and are crying so much. You have only donated a library. Imagine if you spent as much money in Afghanistan as the united states. I think the next 10 generations would be crying but then again India is not a world leader.
Our expenditure was merely $3B in Afghanistan, and we have earned much goodwill with the Afghan public which will stay whether Taliban stays or goes in future. We were never into sending our military any ways, despite US invitation for the same.


Not only are the politicians involved but so are the news outlets. They are actively seeking to annex an integral part of Pakistani and Chinese territories.
Ofcourse we will claim entirety of J&K till a formal agreement is concluded. You also make claim on our side of J&K.
 
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The world would be more peaceful if the military industrial lobby can be controlled in US. Lets see how it goes.


Our expenditure was merely $3B in Afghanistan, and we have earned much goodwill with the Afghan public which will stay whether Taliban stays or goes in future. We were never into sending our military any ways, despite US invitation for the same.


Ofcourse we will claim entirety of J&K till a formal agreement is concluded. You also make claim on our side of J&K.
We say Jammu and Kashmir is disputed territory according to the United Nations.
 
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Hey Moron, I do not know how authentic the Pakistani news article.
Are you claiming that Pakistani paper deliberately lied to insinuate Pakistan? Why dont you file sedition charges against the paper's editor then, instead of arguing with me?
If RAW can influence a major Pak paper like The Nation to write 'anti-Pak propaganda', then I say our tax-payer money is being well spent :D
 
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