Biden wants Afghan exit to end US global cop role

[magra]

LMAO, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. The day you'll become the cop of Sub-continent were Pakistan is do let us know.

India has been a key regional player and helps neighbors when requested. The key is we may help when requested. We would not impose ourselves on unwilling neighbors.

In 1988, Maldives govt asked Indian help to avoid a coup.

India Sends Troops to Maldives to Crush Coup Attempt by Invading Mercenaries

India, apparently alarmed at signs of another trouble spot erupting in South Asia, flew troops to the Maldives on Thursday after mercenary gunmen tried to topple the government.

www.latimes.com

In modern times, BD expects India and China to influence Myanmar to take back Rohingya refugees.

I already mentioned the Bhutan episode.

Personally although many will not like this, but India will never be flexible to negotiate the Kashmir dispute to hold a referendum on what the people of Kashmir want.
Kashmir dispute will be resolved in another world war or regional war involving Pakistan and China versus India.

I hope India one day agrees to hold a plebiscite to decide the destiny of the Kashmir dispute, but personally I think the matter can only be solved through war, because of India's arrogance and obstinate nature.

If you initiate another war, India might not be so forgiving any more and you may end up losing your section of Kashmir as well. So think thousand times before any mis-adventure.

they are the cop of SA minus Pak, fight between China and India is at a more deeper level
China coming to its backyard or India joining quad, propagating itself as future superpower (depending on which perspective you look at it from)

IF somehow hostilities decrease, China will retreat from SC and let India handle its backyard (except for Pak of course as Pak serves multiple geographical purposes, its not limited to just South Asia (case in point when India and China were friend"ish" it didn't impact Pak-China relationship)

Do not be so sure that China will help you in a Pak initiated major conflict.
They did not help you in any of the previous conflicts with India - 1948, 65, 71, 99.

And from an economic standpoint, India is a much bigger customer to China than Pak will ever be. So China will never allow its conflict with India to beyond a certain level.

 

[MultaniGuy]

India has been a key regional player and helps neighbors when requested. The key is we may help when requested. We would not impose ourselves on unwilling neighbors.

In 1988, Maldives govt asked Indian help to avoid a coup.

India Sends Troops to Maldives to Crush Coup Attempt by Invading Mercenaries

India, apparently alarmed at signs of another trouble spot erupting in South Asia, flew troops to the Maldives on Thursday after mercenary gunmen tried to topple the government.

www.latimes.com

In modern times, BD expects India and China to influence Myanmar to take back Rohingya refugees.

I already mentioned the Bhutan episode.

If you initiate another war, India might not be so forgiving any more and you may end up losing your section of Kashmir as well. So think thousand times before any mis-adventure.

Thats if India wins the war. If Pakistan wins the war, Pakistan may not be so forgiving as well. China is also your enemy as well.

Stop talking crap. India can never win a two front war against Pakistan and China.
Thats why I say there will be a regional war over the disputed territories over South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) and Kashmir Dispute.

If Negotiations would have worked, it would have worked in 1948.
Gandhi, Sardar Patel, and Nehru were lying and being dishonest about the land distributions.

Heck, even China whipped you guys real good in the 1962 war.

imo Pak will accept Kashmir status quo (not a popular move but will happen if there's a chance of closi8ng the chapter) with some assurances as in water, greater Kashmir autonomy, less restrictive borders of Kashmir etc,
current India may not be up to it but if they come to their senses down the line in future - its a decent deal

Either do this and/or do a deal with China as in Arunachal Pradesh, Ladakh and multiple other disputes etc

a hostile neighborhood blocking em off from rest of Asia, retreating US (so no support), and a powerful neighbor taking away your old alliances, or proxy states little by little - so not a bad deal in the grand scheme of things all things considering

India should start acting as a sea focused country( if it plans to fight on), it'll be beneficial for them in the long run
current land focus should change (and is rightfully changing) to a more maritime focused country

think of yourself as an Island nation

Accepting the Status quo would mean going against the "Principled Stand", and giving a huge victory to India because of their dishonesty.

 

[magra]

Actually it was India that did not cooperate, both armies have to withdraw to hold the free and fair plebiscite.

Xi Jinping doesn't care about what India says, because the Chinese themselves know the matter can only be solved through war as well.

If Negotiations could worked it would have worked in 1948.

In the Shimla agreement, third party can be used if bilateral solutions do not work out. Stop lying here.

India has two territorial disputes with China. One called Aksai Chin and South Tibet.

India will not win this.

Go read the UN resolution of 1948 and Shimla agreement of 1972 before arguing here.

India's territorial disputes with China are a separate matter. We are working with them as 2 mature nations should. Ocassional skirmishes are an exception to the mostly peaceful border since 1962.

 

[Maula Jatt]

India has been a key regional player and helps neighbors when requested. The key is we may help when requested. We would not impose ourselves on unwilling neighbors.

In 1988, Maldives govt asked Indian help to avoid a coup.

India Sends Troops to Maldives to Crush Coup Attempt by Invading Mercenaries

India, apparently alarmed at signs of another trouble spot erupting in South Asia, flew troops to the Maldives on Thursday after mercenary gunmen tried to topple the government.

www.latimes.com

In modern times, BD expects India and China to influence Myanmar to take back Rohingya refugees.

I already mentioned the Bhutan episode.

If you initiate another war, India might not be so forgiving any more and you may end up losing your section of Kashmir as well. So think thousand times before any mis-adventure.

Do not be so sure that China will help you in a Pak initiated major conflict.
They did not help you in any of the previous conflicts with India - 1948, 65, 71, 99.

And from an economic standpoint, India is a much bigger customer to China than Pak will ever be. So China will never allow its conflict with India to beyond a certain level.

lol you alright son!, Pak will never initiate a war, that's like really stupid to even suggest

its not powerful enough to do that lol, its defense focused doctrine for 3,4 weeks after that nuclear, it cant be an invading force
so I didn't even read after the first line it was so ridiculous

 

[MultaniGuy]

Go read the UN resolution of 1948 and Shimla agreement of 1972 before arguing here.

India's territorial disputes with China are a separate matter. We are working with them as 2 mature nations should. Ocassional skirmishes are an exception to the mostly peaceful border since 1962.

I have read most of the general information.

Go shoo yourself before talking nonsense here.
Go hold plebiscite which India can do, but never does.
That was part of the decision of the princely states to hold a referendum.

Shimla agreement says third party can be held if bilateral relations DO NOT WORK OUT.

Besides that you have China as your enemy

 

[magra]

imo Pak will accept Kashmir status quo (not a popular move but will happen if there's a chance of closi8ng the chapter) with some assurances as in water, greater Kashmir autonomy, less restrictive borders of Kashmir etc,
current India may not be up to it but if they come to their senses down the line in future - its a decent deal

You already have ample legal assurances for water through the long standing Indus Water Treaty which has sustained despite multiple India-Pak wars.
We may think of greater autonomy to Kashmir once it becomes a more normal state with less security issues.
Less restrictive borders of Kashmir would actually follow peaceful relations with Pakistan and increased trade.

India should start acting as a sea focused country( if it plans to fight on), it'll be beneficial for them in the long run
current land focus should change (and is rightfully changing) to a more maritime focused country

think of yourself as an Island nation

Yes, the future is on the seas.

 

[MultaniGuy]

lol you alright son!, Pak will never initiate a war, that's like really stupid to even suggest

its not powerful enough to do that lol, its defense focused doctrine for 3,4 weeks after that nuclear, it cant be an invading force
so I didn't even read after the first line it was so ridiculous

Personally even if Kashmir is a 1000 year war, so be it then. because Indians are dishonest not to hold a plebiscite. Although the original plans on partition says princely states should hold a referndum before acceding to either Pakistan or India.

lol you alright son!, Pak will never initiate a war, that's like really stupid to even suggest

its not powerful enough to do that lol, its defense focused doctrine for 3,4 weeks after that nuclear, it cant be an invading force
so I didn't even read after the first line it was so ridiculous

Pakistan could initiate a war, only if Pakistan clearly has a technological superiority over India.

China too is a very big enemy of India.

 

[magra]

Thats if India wins the war. If Pakistan wins the war, Pakistan may not be so forgiving as well. China is also your enemy as well.

Stop talking crap. India can never win a two front war against Pakistan and China.
Thats why I say there will be a regional war over the disputed territories over South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) and Kashmir Dispute.

If Negotiations would have worked, it would have worked in 1948.
Gandhi, Sardar Patel, and Nehru were lying and being dishonest about the land distributions.

Heck, even China whipped you guys real good in the 1962 war.

Currently, India has no designs on any territory held by Pak or China. So any 2 front war would be a defensive war where we just need to hold our ground whereas Pak or China need to come to our territory and try to dislodge us.
Defending an entrenched position is always easier and especially on the Himalayan heights.

Once China is exhausted and moves back, we will exact our revenge on Pakistan for initiating the conflict.

 

[jamal18]

OP. The defence industry might have a different speech.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Currently, India has no designs on any territory held by Pak or China. So any 2 front war would be a defensive war where we just need to hold our ground whereas Pak or China need to come to our territory and try to dislodge us.
Defending an entrenched position is always easier and especially on the Himalayan heights.

Once China is exhausted and moves back, we will exact our revenge on Pakistan for initiating the conflict.

You are talking nonsense.

According to the Official Indian perspective, they claim all of Kashmir including Aksai Chin and India claims South Tibet or Arunachal Pradesh which China claims.

You are not defensive. Pakistan and China just wants what rightfully belongs them.

Stop acting as if India is the innocent one when it is not.

 

[magra]

lol you alright son!, Pak will never initiate a war, that's like really stupid to even suggest

its not powerful enough to do that lol, its defense focused doctrine for 3,4 weeks after that nuclear, it cant be an invading force
so I didn't even read after the first line it was so ridiculous

I am just responding to the hawks on your side who are calling for Pak to initiate war and take Kashmir.
Its good that there are some sensible people like you in Pak who understand that Pak should not / would not try to initiate the war any more. Historically Pak has initiated wars so India always needs to be on the ready.

Although the original plans on partition says princely states should hold a referndum before acceding to either Pakistan or India.

Which original plan are you referring to?
Did Baluchistan hold a referendum before acceding to Pak?

 

[MultaniGuy]

I am just responding to the hawks on your side who are calling for Pak to initiate war and take Kashmir.
Its good that there are some sensible people like you in Pak who understand that Pak should not / would not try to initiate the war any more. Historically Pak has initiated wars so India always needs to be on the ready.

Which original plan are you referring to?
Did Baluchistan hold a referendum before acceding to Pak?

Balochistan is not disputed territory like Kashmir is. Muslim subjects of Balochistan are happy to be with Pakistan. Now Shoo, you make me laugh!

 

[magra]

You are talking nonsense.

According to the Official Indian perspective, they claim all of Kashmir including Aksai Chin and India claims South Tibet or Arunachal Pradesh which China claims.

You are not defensive. Pakistan and China just wants what rightfully belongs them.

Stop acting as if India is the innocent one when it is not.

Ofcourse we will officially claim entire J&K till Pak compromises with India and accept LOC as permanent border.
Doesnt Pak officially claim entire J&K as well?

Balochistan is not disputed territory like Kashmir is. Muslim subjects of Balochistan are happy to be with Pakistan. Now Shoo, you make me laugh!

You said referendum before accession for all princely states. Baluchistan was also one princely state, so did you have referendum over there?
Regarding how happy Balochis are in Balochistan, we can discuss at length in a separate thread.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I am just responding to the hawks on your side who are calling for Pak to initiate war and take Kashmir.
Its good that there are some sensible people like you in Pak who understand that Pak should not / would not try to initiate the war any more. Historically Pak has initiated wars so India always needs to be on the ready.

Which original plan are you referring to?
Did Baluchistan hold a referendum before acceding to Pak?

Accoring to Louis Mountbatten of Burma the partition plan for British Raj said as soon as the princely states accede to either Pakistan or India, they need to hold a plebiscite to see what the people want.

Why stop at Kalat of Balochistan? What about Nawab of Bahwalpur and Nawab of Khaipur, they both acceded to Pakistan lol

You know nothing about Pakistani history do you? Or is that what they teach you in Indian schools or have baked international curriculums.

Ofcourse we will officially claim entire J&K till Pak compromises with India and accept LOC as permanent border.
Doesnt Pak officially claim entire J&K as well?

You said referendum before accession for all princely states. Baluchistan was also one princely state, so did you have referendum over there?
Regarding how happy Balochis are in Balochistan, we can discuss at length in a separate thread.

Balochis are Muslims so they are happy with Pakistan you moron.
what about Nawab of Bahawalpur who acceded to Pakistan?

 

[magra]

Accoring to Louis Mountbatten of Burma the partition plan for British Raj said as soon as the princely states accede to either Pakistan or India, they need to hold a plebiscite to see what the people want.

Why stop at Kalat of Balochistan? What about Nawab of Bahwalpur and Nawab of Khaipur, they both acceded to Pakistan lol

You know nothing about Pakistani history do you? Or is that what they teach you in Indian schools or have baked international curriculums.

So did you have referendum or not in Kalat?

Pakistan's domestic history is not that important for us to be taught in school level history books in India.