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Betrayed by India: The tale of the Pakistani Hindu refugee

i beg to disagree.. the partition was done for Pak to be the land for all of Indias muslims. and INdia for all of the Hindus. So I think if Hindus want they should be allowed to come to India and if Indian muslims want they can go to Pak.
But in this the only thing is there are 150 million muslims in India and only 15 million Hindus in Pak + BD. We should take them in and give the muslims the choice to go to Pak

You are wrong there, India was created as a secular country, not as a Hindu country. We didn't subscribe to TNT, still don't, those who did left, but thank heavens for TNT !!!
 
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Shame , utter shame !! when every two bits BD muslim migrant gets a ration card and voter ID ready within two months of his Illegal entry to the indian side ,these poor persecuted Hindu souls from Pakistan have to struggle for citizenship in their sacred Hindu land of India.

Those Indians insensitive towards the flight of Pakistan Hindus and the questions their presence in India are stone hearted selfish morons who i'm sure don't care for India either.
 
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You are wrong there, India was created as a secular country, not as a Hindu country. We didn't subscribe to TNT, still don't, those who did left, but thank heavens for TNT !!!
I agree on that.. however, by default the 2NT has happened. we need to be secular. But at the same time , we need to enforce pak's borders to be open to migration of indian muslims, because they follow the 2NT and if indian muslims want to move they should be able to. If they are not allowed to move, then Pak is not following the 2NT and has no right to stay independent.
 
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You are wrong there, India was created as a secular country, not as a Hindu country. We didn't subscribe to TNT, still don't, those who did left, but thank heavens for TNT !!!

Irrespective India choose to a secular country,the fact of the matter is British india was partitioned on the basis of religion and pakistan was created on grounds of TNT.

Its only after the partition we became a secular country and gave equal rights to the minorities .While minorities of Pakistan were
left with second class status in a muslim country created for muslims.

Its our moral duty to help the hindu,sikh ,even Christians of Pakistan and Bangladesh if seek refugee in india since we Indians agreed to the partition of india on communal line knowing well the minorities of pakistan would always suffer the consequence of living in the newly created mulsim state. We can't the close the door on them.
 
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Poor Pakistanis, who would have thought of a day when they would want to emigrate to India.

But honestly I don't think we can offer them anything except pity, India is for Indians and Pakistanis should take care of their own mess.
 
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Pakistan will never be a Secular country. If they want to go to india, take them and give them citizenship.



There are more than a million Indian immigrants in USA. Why should they leave india, they belong to india and india belongs to them, shame on those who treat them like slaves.

And how many pakistanis immigrate to the uk ,double shame on pakistan then.

Most tragedy is how you highlight the fact u are persecuting and kicking out your own countrymen,then dare take pride in the fact that the neighbouring country can't afford to accomodate all of them.Sick mentality.
 
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They want to go to india to live a better life so why don't you take them? If you want to be superpower like America, you must give citizenship to these refugees so they can live a better life in india with their fellow hindus.

you started a thread to show India in Bad light...but you have just showed your country in bad light.....you dare ask why India does not take care of them when Pakistan is the reason they are in this state in the first place. you cant take care of your citizens and ask us why we are not taking care of them? well why should we? they are not our problem.....the fact that we are allowing them to stay here is in itself a big thing. we have a billion people to feed and we dont want more !!!! simple as that .....so much for your Pakistan is the "land of the pure" crap....well it is not after all !!!! People who stayed back during Partition trusting that they would have a good life now hope to flee to another country that they did not opt for in the first place...how sad is that? and there you are claiming that we are not merciful. to hell with people like you who do not have an iota of sense- posting stuff just out of hate and end up embarasing your country instead.
 
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Am I the only one who finds this thread pointless?

Why would you want Pakistani Hindus to move to india? They are just as much as Pakistani as any Muslim is and have a right to live in Pakistan peacefully.

Apparently some Pakistanis think India is still obliged to take care of their people, even 60 years after we gave them a separate country.

It is ironic how people are accusing India of not being pitiful towards Pakistanis and giving them refuge. It is Pakistan who should take care of Pakistanis, and not beg other countries to help them.
 
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Malaysia is one of the Muslim country with significant Hindu population and its one of the best known secular nation in the world
 
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As much as I sympathise with them, India can not give refuge to people based on religion. If there is to be a refugee policy then it will have to be applied irrespective of religion.

For millenia parsees, jews, armenians and now tibetans have come to india and india has given them a home, but we are a poor country and have our limitations.

BTW good to see Jinnah's dream alive and kicking even after 1971, the reaction of pakistanis is priceless, pakistan will continue to be a shining beacon of all that is good about religion.
 
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Betrayed by India: The tale of the Pakistani Hindu refugee


Pakistani Hindus carry an idol of Ganesha, for immersion at Laxmi Narain Temple in Karachi last year. Pakistani Hindu's in India are in perpetual hope that the Indian government will offer them permanent refuge. Reuters


“Hindus are like a fish out of water in Pakistan. They all want to come to India, hoping to put an end to their misery – but it is a different story here altogether,” says Krishan Lal, who is one of a group of 145 Hindus who fled Pakistan on a pilgrimage visa. He now lives in a refugee camp in North Delhi, praying that the Indian government will offer him permanent refuge.

Even as the persecution of Hindus in Pakistan makes headlines, India Today offers a timely and urgent reminder of that “different story” which unfolds on this side of the border – of the fate that awaits these Hindus when they land in India. [The story is unavailable online, but you can check out a brief excerpt here. But this 7 May issue is well worth a trip to the news-stand.]

The Hindu minority, under siege in Pakistan, especially from abductions, rapes, and forcible conversion of their women, is increasingly desperate to get out. The usual trickle of refugees has grow rapidly in the last year. Until mid-2011, 8-10 families crossed the border; that number has now increased to 400.

Even this number, however, is artificially low, kept down by stringent Indian visa regulations, especially after the 2009 Mumbai attack. Only one in five visa applications are approved.

Those lucky enough to cross the border are shoved into refugee camps, where they languish without rights or attention in a “no man’s land.” The Indian government treats them as an inconvenience that is best ignored. Take, for instance, Pujari Lal who fled in1999 after his teenage sister was kidnapped and raped. He now lives in Khanna, Punjab, in a settlement with 1,200 other Hindu and Sikh refugees.

“It has been 13 years but I still don’t have Indian citizenship. My papers have come back a dozen times. They want proof of my father’s date of birth and birthplace. My father is dead: my mother is with me but we do not have all the papers.,” he says.

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In a photo from 1971, a Hindu refugee from Pakistan stands outside her makeshift home in Calcutta. Getty Images


This is hardly unusual. As Rajya Sabha MP Avinash Rai Khanna points out in a sidebar, more than 3,500 families who emigrated to Jammu in 1947 have still not received citizenship.

Since they’re not Indian citizens, refugees are still subject to the same restrictions as other Pakistanis: no ration card, driver’s license, right to buy property, gas connection or travel within the country. “When our children fall ill, the government hospitals refuse to give us medicines, saying we are Pakistanis,” says Jamuna Devi.

Most are forced to live a hand-to-mouth, uncertain existence reliant on the whims of the Indian and Pakistani authorities. To remain in the country, they must get their Indian visa extended over and again, and renew their passport – which now the Pakistani consulate insists they do on an annual basis.

And the hope for citizenship remains dim. Of the 148 applications received just from Punjab (in Pakistan) between 2009-2011, only 16 were accepted, 119 are stuck in limbo due to inadequate documents, and 13 have been rejected. Add to this an “active policy of discouragement” that makes it extremely difficult and expensive for Pakistani Hindus to secure a visa, and the message from the Indian state becomes crystal-clear: We don’t want you.

Well, neither seemingly does Pakistan, where minorities have become an easy target in a climate of extremism. The India Today story is filled with heart-rending testimonies of refugees who have lost their wives, daughters and sisters to armed gangs and militias. But these tales are one part of a grim new reality not just for Hindus, but also Christians and minority Muslims such as Hazara and Ahmadi communities. Last September, 26 members of the Hazara community were forced to disembark from a bus by gunmen and shot dead.

A recent minority status report by The Jinnah Institute summed up the ground reality in these terms:

These most recent attacks on religious minorities and the state’s tolerance towards this persecution are part of a longer-term pattern of state complicity at all levels – judicial, executive and legislative – in the persecution of and discrimination against minorities. The findings of this report confirm that the legislature, executive and judiciary have historically played a foundational role in creating two-tiers of Pakistani citizenship, which are defined by whether a person is a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

Furthermore, both democratic processes and martial rule have been used to institute discriminatory laws and practices. It is also clear that the heightened threat of extremism and the ascendency of armed extremist militant groups confronting the Pakistani state have created a situation of “double jeopardy” for Pakistan’s religious minorities who now face the multiple assaults of vigilante attacks, increased physical threats and social persecution from extremist groups, as well as the discriminatory legal frameworks of the state and failure of the state to punish hate crimes. Indeed, the situation for Pakistani minorities has never been more dire than it is today.

The question for Indians is what role will we play in this unfolding tragedy. The answer is invariably muddled by the dynamics of our internal immigration politics. While the BJP has emerged as a champion of Pakistani Hindu refugees, it opposes, for example, Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi’s position that all Bangladeshi migrants “who were compelled to leave their country because of some valid reasons, ‘deserve’ humanitarian consideration, irrespective of their religion.” Muslim migrants are not welcome in Assam, according to the BJP litmus test, because they do not face religious persecution.

But can that kind of double-standard be extended to include visas? In the decision to grant citizenship? And how about fleeing members of minority Muslim sects whose situation is no less dire? Can we be advocates not just for Hindus but also other suffering minorities in our neighbourhood? Offer a safe haven for all those fleeing in desperation?

There are no easy solutions, but what the India Today story makes clear is that the status quo is untenable. We can no longer content ourselves with pro forma expressions of concern even as we reject those who seek our protection.


Betrayed by India: The tale of the Pakistani Hindu refugee | Firstpost



1947 is when families started migrating. At least they should have gotten citizenship, right?

They couldn't get citizenship because they settled in J&K which has a special status in India where only kashmiri can get citizenship.
 
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