Best way to implement Sharia in Pakistan ???

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

direct ilm means an ilm that comes from the Prophet salat wa salam alaih directly through a chain of masters

Again, it cannot be "direct" if it had to go through "a chain of individuals" who passed the information along "verbally". Can you point to an original recording of the Hadith (in written form) that dates back to a time "during the life of the Prophet Muhammad"? Only such a document could be considered "direct knowledge".

It is not your job to determine if a blessed saying of the Prophet salat wa salam alaih is authentic or not, it is the job of the Muhaddith, and Muslims have 1300 years of Hadith literature and proofs. Mass Hadith collection was common during the time of Imam Ja'far Sadiq RA and Imam Abu Hanifa RA, in the late 600s and early 700s. So, which generations are you talking about?

If Hadith contradict each other and contradict the Quran, then one does not have to be a "master" of anything to question the authenticity and accuracy of the entire body of work.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@RAMPAGE
1) Allah says that there is no compulsion in religion , It is a matter of free choice , No one is allowed to to force anyone in religious affairs . It is only for Allah to decide the punishment for religious offences (in the after life)

This is what makes me so angry, that so many self-proclaimed "pious Muslims" will shout and scream about how "Islam is such a wonderful religion and allows for complete freedom of faith and preaches against intolerance and discrimination", and will then turn around and support blasphemy laws and hateful, intolerant laws that involve the State in "Compulsion in religion" (referring to the anti-Ahmadi laws in Pakistan).

Bunch of intolerant bigots and hypocrites who have destroyed the faith of Islam.

 

[qamar1990]

No need to forgive. Rozay mein Shaytan sai to laRna paRta hi hai.

I just saw this thread and your vomit. If you had any feeling for deen you would not have said most of what you did. Your opinions matter as much as the slime that is left to evaporate by a garden snail. You may find beauty, logic, or coherence in it. But it is less than a Spider's web.

People who lack Eman fail to comprehend much. Their opinions do not matter.

@Multani you are 100% right. There is no Tareeqat without Sahriat. This is lazimi usool. But people who use name of Sufism do not wish to comprehend this. They would rather point to Majzoobs (who are helpless), malangs (who are escapees), and charlatans (who predominate) to find excuses.

@RAMPAGE there is a reason why talking about religion is not encouraged. Before you launch another such thread (I've yet to go through this one), I advise you to have some people with some solid sense of Deen to participate therein, otherwise you get tag-team tactics from a coterie of people who have a very specific agenda.

first time i seen a moderator saying something to @FaujHistorian besides @Aeronaut once but that was nothing like this.
i salute you.

i wish Pakistan speedy implementation of sharia in their country....
its the best with all ur belief and faith giving a +ve nod to it.... democracy and secularism are just fancy words with no meaning... implement sharia .... have the law of ur religion and protect ur faith by any means..
good luck..

post reported for trolling

 

[Multani]

@RAMPAGE ..

1) Allah says that there is no compulsion in religion , It is a matter of free choice , No one is allowed to to force anyone in religious affairs . It is only for Allah to decide the punishment for religious offences (in the after life)


view.”

Who are you to delimit Allah about what He can decide and what He cannot. Allah is free of what you attribute to Him. Please dont add to the Qur'an Kareem.

Allah punishes criminals in this dunya. Allah has promised to balance good and bad deeds in Akhira.

RasoolAllah salat wa salam alaih created the Muslim Ummat in Madeena Munawwarah. And he established God's Law there. The Khulafa Rashidoon continued in his footsteps. This is proven from Hadith Shareef.

He punished criminals according to Islamic Jurisprudence [ God's Law as stated in the Qur'an Majeed ]. This is proven according to Hadith Shareef.
@AgNoStiC MuSliM

 

[Multani]

@RAMPAGE ... Alright guys ... After going through your posts , one thing is clear ... You guys have absolutely no idea about what Quran teaches , and yet you are talking about implementing Shariah in Pakistan ...
let me try ....

There are only four offences for which a specified punishment is stipulated in the Quran , namely adultery, theft, slanderous accusation and highway robbery .... Now if one were to review the whole theory of these hudud from a strictly Quranic perspective, the hudud can no longer be seen as mandatory and fixed penalties ....

The four Quranic verses on hudud consist basically of two provisions each, one specifying the offence and its punishment, and the other that provides for reformation and repentance. There is no expatiation beyond these terms. The question that
arises is that the fiqh blueprint on hudud has essentially ignored the latter portion of the text. Only the penalties were adopted but no provision was made to implement or contextualise the repentance (tawbah) and reformation (islah) aspects of the hudud. A structure of penalties, indeed a penal system, was thus envisaged that provide virtually no space for an educational and reformative exercise - presumably because of the shortcomings of the pre-modern system of criminal justice .

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This is stupid. Did you copy it from somewhere else? Because if you did then it is plagiarism.

Do you honestly believe the great Mujtahid Imams [ Awliya Allah ] of our Deen did not know about the principle of repentance and islah for the criminal? Fiqh is based on Usool of Deen. Repentance is a basic ingredient. And it is a personal matter, and so is Islah. But the harm the criminal has done to other human beings [ Muslim or non-Muslim ] or to animals or plants cannot be undone, as it occurred in society. The forgiveness now is in the hands of the victim or the owner. Not even in the state's hand except in special cases.

 

[FaujHistorian]

......Do you honestly believe the great Mujtahid Imams [ Awliya Allah ] of our Deen did not know about ......
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This is pretty much the same style of questions that Abu Jahil and his followers used to ask.

.... Do you honestly believe the great forefathers of our Deen did not know about ......


Once a man becomes summun bukmun, his society becomes what has been under Talibans, ISIS, FARC, etc. etc. etc.

I can bet you that @Azlan Haider does more analysis in hour that Mad-house russahs (madrassh) robots do in 100 years.

 

[p4kistan]

You want a Mullah state ruled by a village idiot aka Mufti. And you talk about laws and doctrine as if they are separate from each other. Laws are based on doctrine. You implement state doctrine through laws, Pakistan already claims to be an "Islamic" state, its constitution was ratified by bigger mullahs than you. Are you saying they are wrong, and we should instead follow you?

What the F is it with you idiots who don't understand what shariah is. Have you not read what i wrote earlier, shariah does not = mullah state, mullah only governance.

No you do not implement state doctrine through laws, laws are implemented by state doctrine. The doctrine is the one in question here.

Islam/Shariah is a doctrine that is a whole way of life, the state, law, religion are 1.

Secularism separates state & religion. The states affairs are not dictated by religion, comprende yet.

Shariah laws are based on islam (a religion). Pakistans constitution, laws, practices are by no means shariah compliant, i don't care how big the mullah is or what they argue. Simple the country is run on riba, very shariah compliant. I have not stated anywhere that i am a mullah or specialist in the field of shariah so follow me.

Idiots like you get your knickers in a twist as soon as you hear shariah.

 

[qamar1990]

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Hi,

Like others---you are also totally clueless to what this issue is all about---you guys just learn how to use strong words.

Shariah is nothing but an illusion----it is " YOU " who is the issue----it is " YOU " who is the problem---. What you lack is men of honor, foresight nd courage----what you need are judges who are men of justice---law---and order---.

Shariah is like a rainbow---and there is no pot of treasure at the end of it----it is such a tragedy that whole of my motherland is living and waiting for the " Magic Wand "---whole of my muslim world is entrapped in a lie---with all the cheats and thieves in the muslims world----corrupt, criminal, characterless judges---the very enforcers of " shariah "---men who re totally lost.

if only they had a dislike button

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Don't want it its flawed greatly - and alot of dumb silly rules

Pakistan needs , schools - hospitals and better food and income for citizens

Its "TIME" waste to discuss sharia , silly rules that make absolute 0 % sense in modern society

Saudia has a version of it and it sucks balls , every one finds it opressive and useless

Zia Ul Haq brought his version in Pakistan and it sucked balls ... which is why Pakistan is in the mess they are in

Pakistan's reality is .....

We have 75% uneducated population ... that is reality - and sharia will not change that

What will change Pakistan is

a) Education
b) Health programs (Hospitals) , Jobs , and Healthy Entertainment (Cinema , Casino, Hotels,
tourist sports)


If anyone want to taste Sharia law , by all means go to Saudi Arabia and live there 2-3 months and after the isolation , you will understand what a idiotic system it is


Sharia law will not make you build "Engine for JF17 Thunder"
Sharia law will not make your companies and economy better
Sharia law will certainly not make better scientist and economist or anything .....
Infact Sharia law will not even let you select a proper leader for your country .....
Sharia law will issue stupid ruling that space travel is haram ? like really ...


Some folks might love the Isolation and that life style great go live in cave

May be it works for some folks but sorry .... can't imagine living with

a) No music
b) No entertainment , cinema , or picnics or parties or gatherings
c) No interaction with people and weired rules

Almost every thing that brings joy to human is haram in sharia ... that is how idiotic that rule is


Reality of Sharia .....

a) Watching Football -> Haram go pray
b) Wearing shorts in summer -> Haram wear a turban
c) Cutting hair in mohawk - > Haram sharia man sees you cuts your hair or beats you up
d) Listening to Music -> Haram , how can human listen to birds songs but be deprived of music
e) Interaction with opposite sex- > Haram ... like really ... how are you suppose to meet wife
f) Working in Bank -> Haram , financial derrivatives are haram becasue mullah don't get it
g) Working in Media /Movie -> Haram , it captures your soul don't take picture
h) You can marry many times - > YES , scrtaching ... my head what ... really ...
i) Playing Chess -> Haram ... go pray all time
j) Can I lay on the beach and ejoy the sun -> Haram , go pray all time
l) Can I eat in italian resturan -> Haram , cuz we want you to buy grocery from specific person
m) Dislike beard, do painful in summer -> Haram even if it gives you red mark on your face
o) Can women drive -> Haram ,why ... just becasue .. we said so
p) I have these awesome jeans and nice T Shirt -> Haram you must look like hobo in turban
q) I don't like you staring at me -> Not Haram , we are guardians of Sharia we can stare
r) Hey don't like this rule not in quran -> We will kill you for objecting us
s) Teen comes home bald -> hair was too long attracting women's attention so cut it by force


The Sharia law was made up by people with too much time on their hand and they just decided , becasue they wanted to live and "ISOLATED - deprived lives " they needed to write it into code and book that every one must follow .. !!! Becasue most of the "RULES" do not exist in Quaran ... all made up by "MEN"


Sure some people may love the "MONK" mentality and isolation but no where in Quran it says you must live like a Isolated "Monk"

99% of the rules in Sharia ... do not exist in quran , but in text book work of people who lived in old time and these rules were 'for that society of that time'

 

[qamar1990]

NYC aint shit, plus bhai mere roa lag raha hui na yaad dila khaanaaa mujhe

nyc ain't shit? so the greatest city on earth ain't shit?
where do you live?

 

[p4kistan]

Actually the west has supported the Islamists for quite some time, because they know that superstitious religious people are easier to control.

That's what happened in the Soviet Afghan Jihad, later how they replaced Saddam Hussein with a Shia government continues now with their support of the Syrian Rebels against Assad.

Zionists did something similar by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood against the Arab Nationalists in attempt to cause a civil war in events such as the Lavon Affair

What is an Islamist? There are wide definitions.

You're right in the fact that the west has funded/supported so called "islamist" movements. Objectives may be aligned at some point and not at others.

But these ummah needs to stand on its own 2 feet and dictate policies, no nation or entity has so far done so.

I for one do not see the likes of ISIS propogating for muslims, in fact the groups you mentioned act contrary to islamic teachings.

Divide & rule is still being used today, imagine unity between the muslim world. No power on this earth would equal it.

 

[FaujHistorian]

......i am a mullah or specialist in the field of shariah so follow me.

Idiots like you get your knickers in a twist as soon as you hear shariah.

you are not specialist in the field of Shariah, and yet you propose Sharia medicine

--- What they say
--- Neem Mullah Khatra Imaan, Neem Hakim Khara jaan
--- (A quack is terrible for your health, and a madrassah dropout is terrible for your religion)

your post reflects a deadly combo of Neem hakeem + Neem Mullah. Which is worst, you decide.

Most of the posters here have no idea about constitution, or Shariah.
and yet they are ready to lay down their 10 total brain cells on the lost cause.

Sadly

But these ummah needs to stand on its own 2 feet .

Ummah has no feet or hands or tongue or @rse, or head or face nor a pee pee.

Only people do.

 

[gangsta_rap]

that Mad-house russahs (madrassh) robots do in 100 years.

Honestly you need to chill and cool it with the Islam bashing.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This is stupid. Did you copy it from somewhere else? Because if you did then it is plagiarism.

Do you honestly believe the great Mujtahid Imams [ Awliya Allah ] of our Deen did not know about the principle of repentance and islah for the criminal? Fiqh is based on Usool of Deen. Repentance is a basic ingredient. And it is a personal matter, and so is Islah. But the harm the criminal has done to other human beings [ Muslim or non-Muslim ] or to animals or plants cannot be undone, as it is occurred in society. The forgiveness now is in the hands of the victim or the owner. Not even in the state's hand except in special cases.

Just because something is beyond your mental capacity to understand, doesn`t make it stupid my friend ... Plagiarism ?? What has been copied from other sources , is italicized ...

Now let me ask you a similar question ... :

Do you honestly Believe that the greatest Muslim philosopher of twentieth century , who happens to be "Mufakkir e Pakistan" as well , did not know that secularism and Islam were incompatible ????

 

[Rafi]

In this day and age, we need 21st Century solutions to 21st Century problems, these laws were for a tribal society 1400 years ago, and because Islam is for all times, we need to go to the essence of the religion.