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Best way to implement Sharia in Pakistan ???

This is the problem with Theological states... Everybody shows off to be the most pious person...

They know nothing.. he knows nothing...she knows nothing...

This is why secular democracy is best... People shall decide who knows how many things :)

Ok lets being what is democracy lol what sort of democracy is in Pakistan civil dictatorial ship?
 
Ok lets being what is democracy lol what sort of democracy is in Pakistan civil dictatorial ship?

What YOU guys interpret as Democracy is NOT what exactly Democracy is..
and "civil dictatorship" ( my gosh such term is blasphemous in itself :D )and Army rule has FAILED throughout history..
Democracy is the ONLY way forward ( dont look at China they are pretty homogenous than Indo-Pak)

I am not boasting, but we have a Muslim ballistic man and a Christian Lady heading our missile program.. and a Zoroastrian ( Parsi ) who fought our case against Pakistan at International Court ..just because we had a secular democracy ( many a times it got hampered... but gaadi chalu hai apni biduu )

There could be a young christian boy who could lead Pakistan's atomic programme or a Hindu girl leading Pakistan's fight against Energy crisis... Why can't you think like that ?
 
off topic...reported ;)

Best way to implement Sharia in Pakistan ???

Invite ISIS - the new poster bois of Shariah rule to Pakistan.

Please stop trolling. You need to understand the reason why so many Pakistanis are sick and tired of this fake democracy and elite class playing musical chairs with Pakistan. So its natural for them to think that some sort of puritan religious rule would bring them justice. Problem is that any religious laws can be manipulated and used by selfish groups. So really what you see in Pakistan and generally in Muslim world is lack of justice. Groups like ISIS and Taliban promise quick and swift justice, that's why it will never be easy to get rid of them as long as they receive support from the lower middle class.
 
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What the F is it with you idiots who don't understand what shariah is. Have you not read what i wrote earlier, shariah does not = mullah state, mullah only governance.

No you do not implement state doctrine through laws, laws are implemented by state doctrine. The doctrine is the one in question here.

Islam/Shariah is a doctrine that is a whole way of life, the state, law, religion are 1.

Secularism separates state & religion. The states affairs are not dictated by religion, comprende yet.

Shariah laws are based on islam (a religion). Pakistans constitution, laws, practices are by no means shariah compliant, i don't care how big the mullah is or what they argue. Simple the country is run on riba, very shariah compliant. I have not stated anywhere that i am a mullah or specialist in the field of shariah so follow me.

Idiots like you get your knickers in a twist as soon as you hear shariah.

Fine, good. Implement true Shariah and I am with you. Abolish the practise of riba. End corruption, implement a welfare system similar to that of Hazrat Umar (ra). But my question was, and is again, who's going to implement it. These current lot of corrupt Mullahs like Fazlur rehman? or the Taliban?

And when you say 'whole way of life', are you saying the current way of life of Pakistanis is not 'Islamic' enough?

You know Shariah law gives freedom to worship to everyone equally? Are you going to give Christians and Hindus the freedom to proselyte? And what is the leadership system that you envisage for this more 'Islamic' version of Pakistan?

I've got nothing against true Shariah, I am just very wary of the interpretation given by the current lot of Mullahs. What if the majority of Pakistanis don't want your version of Shariah (Since they never vote for religious parties), are you going to go the way of the Taliban and pick up arms?
And I am more interested in how you intent on implementing Shariah.
 
Fine, good. Implement true Shariah and I am with you. Abolish the practise of riba. End corruption, implement a welfare system similar to that of Hazrat Umar (ra). But my question was, and is again, who's going to implement it. These current lot of corrupt Mullahs like Fazlur rehman? or the Taliban?

And when you say 'whole way of life', are you saying the current way of life of Pakistanis is not 'Islamic' enough?

You know Shariah law gives freedom to worship to everyone equally? Are you going to give Christians and Hindus the freedom to proselyte? And what is the leadership system that you envisage for this more 'Islamic' version of Pakistan?

I've got nothing against true Shariah, I am just very wary of the interpretation given by the current lot of Mullahs. What if the majority of Pakistanis don't want your version of Shariah (Since they never vote for religious parties), are you going to go the way of the Taliban and pick up arms?
And I am more interested in how you intent on implementing Shariah.

It will be implemented by the people for the people. Fazlur rehman/taliban can't, won't & don't know how to implement it.

I'm not saying our way of life is not islamic, i'm saying we have lots of unislamic practices, laws, actions.

Shariah does provide freedom of religion ,expression etc. By all means those of other faiths can practice their religions, customs, traditions freely. However within the confines shariah. Prosetlyte is a big no, no.

How many times do i have to say it. The current mullahs have their own agendas, hence why the majority does not vote for them. If the majority of Pakistanis don't want shariah then it won't happen.

Picking up arms & forcing shariah upon a people will never work. Deeds, actions as a muslim will. How did Islam reach us, the billions of others. It wasn't through the sword but piety.

“The blood of a Muslim is worth more than the Kaaba and all its surroundings”. So killing muslims is a big NO NO

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

you are not specialist in the field of Shariah, and yet you propose Sharia medicine

--- What they say
--- Neem Mullah Khatra Imaan, Neem Hakim Khara jaan
--- (A quack is terrible for your health, and a madrassah dropout is terrible for your religion)

your post reflects a deadly combo of Neem hakeem + Neem Mullah. Which is worst, you decide.

Most of the posters here have no idea about constitution, or Shariah.
and yet they are ready to lay down their 10 total brain cells on the lost cause.

Sadly



Ummah has no feet or hands or tongue or @rse, or head or face nor a pee pee.

Only people do.

What are you banging on about, i'm neither a quack or madrassah dropout.

What is shariah medicine?

Smarty pants Ummah having 2 feet is a figure of speech. Then you have the audacity to talk about people laying their 10 brain cells.
 
Believe me 23 pages down the line and NO ONE knows what sharia

I said go take education both extremists and so called liberal supporters of enlighten moderation non of you knows zilah nada nil zero.

Bunch of nincompoops gather to discuss of which having no knowledge

My dear friend , it will be highly appreciated if you would contribute something of any academic significance , instead of acting like a stupid , arrogant and ignorant person .....
 
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I'm not saying our way of life is not islamic, i'm saying we have lots of unislamic practices, laws, actions.
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yeah. the first and foremost is the tribal beduin hadood ordinance and blasted blasphey laws. That are totally unislamic.

Agree?

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Shariah does provide freedom of religion ,expression etc.....
Number of yeas Shariah provided freedom of religion -- counted on fingers
Number of yeas Shariah DID NOT provide freedom of religion -- cannot be counted on fingers. you need scroll after scroll
 
Abolish the practise of riba. End corruption, implement a welfare system similar to that of Hazrat Umar (ra). .

All these things are self contradictory bro.

until you can list the yearly budget of Hazrat umar
and
line items for welfare type and amount.

Without hard data,

all these welfare state stories are no better than the Santa Clause story.
 
My dear friend , it will be highly appreciated if you would contribute something of any academic significance , instead of acting like a stupid , arrogant and ignorant person .....

Hi perhaps you did not read my posts and that is precisely your stupidity leaping, non of us are qualified I already mentioned not you not others not me. How about you post your academic research before you were penning down your post at me.

You barely know my online presence calling someone arrogant ignorant without knowing them is plain moronic that too online you are a good poster I would expect you to stick to topic and not insults if you treat others your way you would get the same treatment.
 
Sharia is an outdated law that has no place for any civilization in 21st century. The Ulema and the Muslims of time have failed to evolve sharia in light of the teachings of Quran and the message of Allah. You cannot apply a 7th century law in 21st century. Those who have tried to do it look at their condition: ISIS in Iraq, Taliban in Afghanistan and if it had not been for oil in the Saudi, we all know what they would have looked like. A state especially like Pakistan, with it's diversity and share of non-muslims cannot get bogged down by religion. Religion must remain private and not in control of the state.
 
It is only difficult if you try to scare the cr@p out people using your hand chopping, stoning, maiming, suicide bombing Sharia crowd.


On the other hand it would be very easy to attract people towards Islam if you speak truth (always), be honest (always), be trustworthy (always), be kind and raheem (always).

See how many many many many people say lubbaik to you.

The problem is that most of the vocal Muslims today behave like primitive beduin at best

while the whole world looks for kindness
Islamists pelt them with stones

while whole world looks for truth
Islamists shove on them hand chopping


Then the same Islamists turn around, scratch their behinds and say

-- Why it is so hard to convince people

and then

they make up ahadees

yes prophet said it will be difficult

Oh bhai

Prophet spoke truth, was trustworthy, was kind and generous, so everyone women, children, young and old loved him
except
Beduins
yeah they hated him
because
prophet wanted to bring civilized behavior to Arabs
while Beduins wanted to be stuck in the filthy past.

So bhai look at Islamists behavior, the ISIS, the TTP and learn it is not hadees that tells people run from Islamists
it is the behavior of stone age barbarian TTP that pushes people away from our beautiful religion.

Ramzan Mubarak
Thanks for your wish. Admiral sb, I said it 'the most difficult' because we see each day at Makkah brought a new challenge for Hadhrat S.A.A.W. Wasn't the most kind, the most just and the most righteous person (S.A.A.W ) was tortured, humiliated and troubled everyday on the streets of Makkah for calling people unto Allah SWT? Did he or his companions raise their hands in self defense? NO. They were doing it only for the WILL of Allah SWT and good of their brothers. Unless we do it with same intentions while prepared for similar difficulties, we can't bring about any change in our people's mind to accept Shariah in their lives. I mentioned in my post people cutting throats or people coming all the way from Canada can't do it.
 
@RAMPAGE ... Alright guys ... After going through your posts , one thing is clear ... You guys have absolutely no idea about what Quran teaches , and yet you are talking about implementing Shariah in Pakistan ...
let me try ....

There are only four offences for which a specified punishment is stipulated in the Quran , namely adultery, theft, slanderous accusation and highway robbery .... Now if one were to review the whole theory of these hudud from a strictly Quranic perspective, the hudud can no longer be seen as mandatory and fixed penalties ....

The four Quranic verses on hudud consist basically of two provisions each, one specifying the offence and its punishment, and the other that provides for reformation and repentance. There is no expatiation beyond these terms. The question that
arises is that the fiqh blueprint on hudud has essentially ignored the latter portion of the text. Only the penalties were adopted but no provision was made to implement or contextualise the repentance (tawbah) and reformation (islah) aspects of the hudud. A structure of penalties, indeed a penal system, was thus envisaged that provide virtually no space for an educational and reformative exercise - presumably because of the shortcomings of the pre-modern system of criminal justice
.


Modern criminal law and jurisprudence (like Quran) also advise a restrictive approach to punishments. Two things become absolutely clear if one reads Holy Quran :

1) Allah says that there is no compulsion in religion , It is a matter of free choice , No one is allowed to to force anyone in religious affairs . It is only for Allah to decide the punishment for religious offences (in the after life)

2) Crimes that cause disturbance in the society (theft , robbery etc.) are punishable offenses


In any modern Secular state ;

1) Religion is a personal matter and state has got nothing to do with it

2) Crimes that cause disturbance in the society are punishable offenses


It might be surprising for many , but a state based on Quranic teachings is essentially secular in character !!

Now
coming to the so called Islamic Laws that give an impression that Islam is some "stone age", barbaric religion , one finds out that all such laws have been derived from Hadith books compiled centuries after the death of prophet , on the orders of tyrant kings (for political gains) ... Apostasy and Blasphemy laws are prime examples ...

No Mullah (or his followers) can ever prove the unfounded claim that the sayings attributed to Muhammad (pbuh) two centuries (two centuries of political turmoil and exhaustive civil wars) after his death aka Sahih Hadith books are "free of errors" and perfect .. It is not humanly possible .. their best defense is that they would declare any one an apostate who tries to challenge the absurd claims of Mullahs ....



And before you dismiss this explanation as being some western or jewish propaganda against Islam , I would like to tell you that this is exactly what the "Thinker of Pakistan" believed in ... Yes , Allama Muhammad Iqbal was a rejector of Ahadith (as per Mullah definition) and he didn`t believe in deriving Sharia laws from Ahadith the way Mullahs did ... No wonder he was declared an apostate by the Mullahs ,,,
Besides, Iqbal does not seem impressed by the contention that after the Quran, the Hadith is a mandatory guide for Muslim Ummah for all times. He considers it valid only to the generation in which the Prophet (s.a.w) was born and does not favour its enforceability in the case of future generations

The fact is that Iqbal does not favour usage of Hadith as a source of law; rather his indifference to it as a legal source is writ large. In order to give weightage to such a view about the Hadith he comes out with the theory of legal and non-legal traditions and attaches too many conditions to legal traditions.70A In The Reconstruction, he writes:

For our present purposes, however, we must distinguish traditions of a purely legal import from those which are of a non-legal character. With regard to the former, there arises a very important question as to how far they embody the pre-Islamic usages of Arabia which were in some cases left intact, and in others modified by the Prophet. It is difficult to make this discovery, for our early writers do not always refer to pre-islamic usages. Nor is it possible to discover that the usages, left by the express or tacit approval of the Prophet, were intended to be universal in their application.[71]


IQBAL AND HADITH


And quite understandably , Iqbal thought that "A secular Turkey" was perfectly Islamic as the idea of a secular state was not opposed to what Islam teaches ...

While defending the Republic of Turkey and its actions, Allama said in his famous lecture on
‟The Principle of Movement in the Structure of Islam‟:

“They therefore reject old ideas about functions of state and religion and accentuate the separation of church and state. The structure of Islam as a religio-political system no doubt does permit such a view.”

First of all I never advocated sharia for Pakistan. Second I never brought up hadith I just mentioned that rampage was getting the wrong message from the hadith he brought up and lastly I know enough about the Quran to know that what you are quoting is about a specific thing and not all encompassing like you are wishfully trying to make it out to be. The rest that you have posted is irrelevant. However while I do agree Pakistan needs to keep religion out of government I did bring up that the current constitution was deemed in line with sharia when it was originally written and instead laws need to be implemented properly or ammended accordingly.
 
I'm fasting today, so I'll just say this........ I wish I could just sit on your face..................

Now I'll be nice and watch TV............

first learn Alif, Baa, taaa, and basic arabic then come and talk about Deen to Muslims of Pakistan
 
I'm fasting today, so I'll just say this........ I wish I could just sit on your face..................

Now I'll be nice and watch TV............
Happy Ramadan to you babes :) Hope all is well!

It's funyy I was bored so I was going through all of our crazy posts on naswaristan with talon, alpha and everyone and I got a good laugh. Best post was you saying "may good things such as myself keep happening to you" haha conceited much emperor! But thank you for the super crazy convos haha :P
 
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Prosetlyte is a big no, no.

The civilised worlds believes people of any faith should be allowed to spread their faith. Muslim or not. Why so much double standards? Then don't cry like little babies when the West takes any action against Muslims.
 

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