Bengali Nationalism a Threat to Bangladesh's National Security

[Saiful Islam]

Thank you but no thanks. Use that money in your education and this time don't copy from the Punjabis.

Haha, nice one. You're the only funny Indian on PDF.

 

[kalu_miah]

Haha, nice one. You're the only funny Indian on PDF.

Jaunty is Assamese, not a mainland Indian.

 

[Rover]

Jaunty is Assamese, not a mainland Indian.

So that therefore makes him funnier?

 

[Vinod2070]

So that therefore makes him funnier?

This person is a little over-obsessed with India in general and the North East in particular.

Not sure why. We couldn't ignore his ilk more. We have no use for such people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL, the same Bengali nationalism, that created it. Now that sucks big time and proves the hollowness of nationalism on ethnic /language basis

And nationalism should be based on what precisely?

 

[idune]

And nationalism should be based on what precisely?

Based on our one criteria, not by indian bully or india concocted one. It SHOULD NOT be matter to indians how Bangladeshis shape up their nationalism.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Based on our one criteria, not by indian bully or india concocted one. It SHOULD NOT be matter to indians how Bangladeshis shape up their nationalism.

I think you need reading lessons.

I asked the question to the person who proposed that nationalism should not be based on ethnic or linguistic grounds. So you, and your criteria, do not come into it. His does.

Now keep out and do not get mixed up in something that doesn't concern you, and that you don't understand anyway.

 

[Armstrong]

@Joe Shearer - Joe Bhai koi lift hii nahin ?

 

[idune]

I think you need reading lessons.

I asked the question to the person who proposed that nationalism should not be based on ethnic or linguistic grounds. So you, and your criteria, do not come into it. His does.

Now keep out and do not get mixed up in something that doesn't concern you, and that you don't understand anyway.

This is open forum anyone can raise or answer any question. You need lesson for that. That being said, whatever ground Bangladeshis consider what that has to do with indians poking their nose? You need to answer that and perhaps shut up and keep it to yourself.

 

[Vinod2070]

Whatever the definition of nationalism one chooses, jamatis and razakaars will not fit that.

The experience of Bangladesh proves that.

 

[khair_ctg]

Whatever the definition of nationalism one chooses, jamatis and razakaars will not fit that.

The experience of Bangladesh proves that.

all Bangladeshis are "jamatis" and volunteers

 

[kalu_miah]

all Bangladeshis are "jamatis" and volunteers

Specially when these Bangladeshi's are against Indian hegemony and imperialism over Bangladesh.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@aazidane

The problem is not Bengali nationalism (or Bangladeshi nationalism for that matter).

The secular Bengali nationalists intended to form a sort of antithesis against the Islamists, who during the British days heavily opposed modern progression of Bengali Muslims during the British days. The Bengali secularists felt that it was their fault that our kin fell behind our dear dadas next door. That psyche was a big part in breaking Pakistan into two.

But, are we more progressive than our dadas next door? Let's have a look.

Bengali nationalism heavily politicizes the issue of Bengali culture, like music, poems, arts, artists like Tagore and Islam (who by the way weren't part of our clan), stories and most importantly, language. But is that level of politicization creative or destructive? Bengali nationalism started out as underground politics, and perhaps still is.

How much of the young generation of Bangladeshis embrace the old-school Bengali culture like music and arts? What about the local movie industry? To what proportion do they watch local films to that of let's say, Hollywood ones?

Compare to West Bengal.

I have seen a program on Zee Bangla some time back showing very small children singing traditional Bengali songs very beautifully. What beautiful children they were. That is what they embrace, along with the generations that follow. And you know what? They don't politicize those things at all. Since when did our dadas chant Joy Bangla?

What do our young embrace? What is the essence of our society? Do we embrace what the secular Bengali nationalists had in mind? The results may shock many.

That being said, unlike what those Bengali nationalists envisioned, West Bengal is culturally far more advanced than that of East Bengal.

Sure, old Islamists haven't done anything for the society in the past long, but what have the Bengali nationalists done for thy nation? That is the million dollar question.

They still engage in underground politics. Absolutely no change into a mature ideology. And they aren't one bit democratic at all. No accountability or responsibility whatsoever.

 

[Black Mamba1]

Settle your internal issues internally. If you want to establish Jamat govt, fight for that on Dhaka road. There will be no solution by crying in PDF.

 

[khair_ctg]

@aazidane

The problem is not Bengali nationalism (or Bangladeshi nationalism for that matter).

The secular Bengali nationalists intended to form a sort of antithesis against the Islamists, who during the British days heavily opposed modern progression of Bengali Muslims during the British days. The Bengali secularists felt that it was their fault that our kin fell behind our dear dadas next door. That psyche was a big part in breaking Pakistan into two.

But, are we more progressive than our dadas next door? Let's have a look.

Bengali nationalism heavily politicizes the issue of Bengali culture, like music, poems, arts, artists like Tagore and Islam (who by the way weren't part of our clan), stories and most importantly, language. But is that level of politicization creative or destructive? Bengali nationalism started out as underground politics, and perhaps still is.

How much of the young generation of Bangladeshis embrace the old-school Bengali culture like music and arts? What about the local movie industry? To what proportion do they watch local films to that of let's say, Hollywood ones?

Compare to West Bengal.

I have seen a program on Zee Bangla some time back showing very small children singing traditional Bengali songs very beautifully. What beautiful children they were. That is what they embrace, along with the generations that follow. And you know what? They don't politicize those things at all. Since when did our dadas chant Joy Bangla?

What do our young embrace? What is the essence of our society? Do we embrace what the secular Bengali nationalists had in mind? The results may shock many.

That being said, unlike what those Bengali nationalists envisioned, West Bengal is culturally far more advanced than that of East Bengal.

Sure, old Islamists haven't done anything for the society in the past long, but what have the Bengali nationalists done for thy nation? That is the million dollar question.

They still engage in underground politics. Absolutely no change into a mature ideology. And they aren't one bit democratic at all. No accountability or responsibility whatsoever.

but the Bengali nationalists of BD have been quite successful in imposing things that are not just alien to the Muslim polity, but also the very reasons that Bengali Muslims opted for a separated Muslim state. R. Tagore was part of a class that actively and systematically changed the Bengal landscape to root out Muslim influence. and afterwards we see that very Tagore's work imposed as a "national anthem" of Muslims

with all due respect you got one thing squarely wrong. the Bengali nationalists do not at all include the politics that progressive Muslims who advocated Aligarh type education in British era embodied. in fact the Bengali nationalists are at serious odds with the political descendants of the Aligarh type Muslims. and when we are talking about the British era, it is with the backdrop that Muslims had lost centuries-old status quo. Muslims were faced with a catch-22 of either forgoing their age-old civilization (or its legacies) OR falling behind economically. in such circumstances, it's ludicrous to say Muslims were opposed to their own progression. at least it was Hindu elites who opposed Bengali Muslims' having their own universities, not Muslims. and the Hindus were acting very much to their (ir)rational self-interest