Benedict Papa

[Samudra Manthan]

It is tough to decide which of those acts are worse - Abusing the National Anthem or Abusing the National flag.

I would say Indians should not be so touchy about these things and Government of India should liberalize these things.

Once done, people committing such acts would loose the incentive to indulge in them.

We should legalize rape, then people will lose the incentive to rape?

 

[ranjeet]

Yes,They should have never used our national anthem tune to praise pope Benedict,its a serious mistake from their part,i admit that..
OP is an anti Christian,This is his 4th thread after Christianity in this very week,he wants to prove Indian Christians as traitors and anti nationals..seems he is frustrated with the current DALIT RAPING/KILLING,MUSLIM KILLING happens in his religion,particularly in his northern baniya belt..
I don't like to say this in an open Pakistan forum like..yes,i know its insult to all Indians,But...

Out comes the anti Christian card, what's the matter too afraid to look in the mirror?

 

[dadeechi]

We should legalize rape, then people will lose the incentive to rape?

Rape - No

Prostitution - Yes

Premarital Consensual s.e.x - Yes

PS: My views do not reflect what I practice. I never indulged in either of them in my life.

 

[Marxist]

Can someone translate this?

@Marxist @Samudra Manthan @NIA @JanjaWeed @danger007

Praising pope Benedict as savior ,noble ,emperor,Gods messenger ...etc

 

[ranjeet]

Praising pope Benedict as savior ,noble ,emperor,Gods messenger ...etc

great.

 

[JanjaWeed]

The topic of this thread is "insulting national anthem", the pic that I had posted was in the same context(insulting national flag).
Next question.

......

fair enough! I'll let you off..

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Rape - No

Prostitution - Yes

Premarital Consensual s.e.x - Yes

PS: My views do not reflect what I practice. I never indulged in either of them in my life.

Why rapes no? Should not your argument that legalizing stuff makes them less interesting and people stop indulging in them hold good here too? This way we can legalize all crimes in the world and that will make everything uninteresting and no crime will ever happen in the world and we will finally achieve utopia.

What you practice or not is not the issue here. The issue here is understanding the world and how it works is what is important here so that we as a civilization achieve the optimal level of well being for all as a society not just for today as in short term but tomorrow and the future too so that you don't face a revolution after revolution every 20-30 years or so.

Flags represent country, its people, and the values they stand for. When you say disrespect for the flag should be legalized, you are saying disrespect for the country, its society, and its values should be legalized, acceptable, and as a natural extension popularized too. A society which values nothing, which holds nothing as sacred, wont take long to turn on itself and self-cannibalize. After all if you are seeking absolute freedom, then what sacredness even the constitution holds. Is not the constitution itself another impediment towards the goal of absolute freedom? Is not anarchy true and absolute freedom?

 

[Hindustani78]

Praising pope Benedict as savior ,noble ,emperor,Gods messenger ...etc

Is it allowed in Christianity ? Pope is servant of Christ . Why Hymns on the servant of Christ ?

 

[dadeechi]

Its really disturbing . National Anthem tune.

The Silent Anthem

Great video. Thanks!! for sharing.

Is it allowed in Christianity ? Pope is servant of Christ . Why Hymns on the servant of Christ ?

I am not sure about Christianity but surely this is allowed in Hinduism.

fair enough! I'll let you off..

No No Not so soon..

 

[dadeechi]

Can someone translate this?

@Marxist @Samudra Manthan @NIA @JanjaWeed @danger007

The tune is same as our national anthem,lyrics were changed, the song was sung to honour Pope.
Doesnt make sense.
Btw i find this equally abusive

THE PREVENTION OF INSULTS TO NATIONAL HONOUR ACT, 1971
No. 69 of 1971 (23rd December, 1971)
(Amended by the Prevention of Insults to National Honour (Amendment) Act, 2005)
No. 51 of 2005 (20th December, 2005)
An Act to Prevent Insults to National Honour
Be it enacted by Parliament in the Twenty- second year of the Republic of India
as follows: -
1. SHORT TITLE AND EXTENT
(1) This Act may be called the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act,
1971.
(2) It extends to the whole of India.
2. INSULT TO INDIAN NATIONAL FLAG AND CONSTITUTION OF INDIA
Whoever in any public place or in any other place within public view burns,
mutilates, defaces, defiles, disfigures, destroys, tramples upon or *otherwise
shows disrespect to or brings into contempt (whether by words, either spoken or
written, or by acts) the Indian National Flag or the Constitution of India or any
part thereof, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to
three years, or with fine, or with both.
Explanation 1 – Comments expressing disapprobation or criticism of the Constitution or
of the Indian National Flag or of any measures of the Government with a view to obtain
an amendment of the Constitution of India or an alteration of the Indian National Flag
by lawful means do not constitute an offence under this section.
Explanation 2 – The expression, “Indian National Flag” includes any picture, painting,
drawing or photograph, or other visible representation of the Indian National Flag, or of
any part or parts thereof, made of any substance or represented on any substance.
Explanation 3 – The expression “public place” means any place intended for use by, or
accessible to, the public and includes any public conveyance.
*Explanation 4 - The disrespect to the Indian National flag means and includes—
(a) a gross affront or indignity offered to the Indian National Flag; or
(b) dipping the Indian National Flag in salute to any person or thing; or
(c) flying the Indian National Flag at half-mast except on occasions on which
the Flag is flown at half-mast on public buildings in accordance with the
instructions issued by the Government; or
2
(d) using the Indian National Flag as a drapery in any form whatsoever except
in state funerals or armed forces or other para-military forces funerals; or
(e) #using the Indian National Flag:-
(i) as a portion of costume, uniform or accessory of any description
which is worn below the waist of any person; or
(ii) by embroidering or printing it on cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins,
undergarments or any dress material; or
(f) putting any kind of inscription upon the Indian National Flag; or
(g) using the Indian National Flag as a receptacle for receiving, delivering or
carrying anything except flower petals before the Indian National Flag is
unfurled as part of celebrations on special occasions including the
Republic Day or the Independence Day; or
(h) using the Indian National Flag as covering for a statue or a monument or a
speaker’s desk or a speaker’s platform; or
(i) allowing the Indian National Flag to touch the ground or the floor or trail
in water intentionally; or
(j) draping the Indian National Flag over the hood, top, and sides or back or
on a vehicle, train, boat or an aircraft or any other similar object; or
(k) using the Indian National Flag as a covering for a building; or
(l) intentionally displaying the Indian National Flag with the “saffron” down.
3. PREVENTION OF SINGING OF NATIONAL ANTHEM
Whoever intentionally prevents the singing of the Indian National Anthem or
causes disturbances to any assembly engaged in such singing shall be punished with
imprisonment for a term, which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
*3A MINIMUM PENALTY ON SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT OFFENCE
Whoever having already been convicted of an offence under section 2 or section 3
is again convicted of any such offence shall be punishable for the second and for every
subsequent offence, with imprisonment for a term, which shall not be less than one year.
_
Note 1: * Inserted vide The Prevention of Insults to National Honour

(Amendment) Act, 2003 (No. 31 of 2003 dated 8.5.2003)
Note 2: # Inserted vide The Prevention of Insults to National Honour
(Amendment) Act, 2005 (No. 51 of 2005 dated 20.12.2005)

http://www.mha.nic.in/sites/upload_...revention_Insults_National_Honour_Act1971.pdf

 

[dadeechi]

It is tough to decide which of those acts are worse - Abusing the National Anthem or Abusing the National flag.
I would say Indians should not be so touchy about these things and Government of India should liberalize these things.
Once done, people committing such acts would loose the incentive to indulge in them.

Agreed. When India even pays and allows separatists to roam freely, why even get emotional about the flag and national anthem tunes.

We should legalize rape, then people will lose the incentive to rape?

Rape - No
Prostitution - Yes
Premarital Consensual s.e.x - Yes
PS: My views do not reflect what I practice. I never indulged in either of them in my life.

Why rapes no? Should not your argument that legalizing stuff makes them less interesting and people stop indulging in them hold good here too? This way we can legalize all crimes in the world and that will make everything uninteresting and no crime will ever happen in the world and we will finally achieve utopia.

What you practice or not is not the issue here. The issue here is understanding the world and how it works is what is important here so that we as a civilization achieve the optimal level of well being for all as a society not just for today as in short term but tomorrow and the future too so that you don't face a revolution after revolution every 20-30 years or so.

Flags represent country, its people, and the values they stand for. When you say disrespect for the flag should be legalized, you are saying disrespect for the country, its society, and its values should be legalized, acceptable, and as a natural extension popularized too. A society which values nothing, which holds nothing as sacred, wont take long to turn on itself and self-cannibalize. After all if you are seeking absolute freedom, then what sacredness even the constitution holds. Is not the constitution itself another impediment towards the goal of absolute freedom? Is not anarchy true and absolute freedom?

I know you are trying to draw a parallel between rape and desecration of national symbols but I do not believe it is a fair comparison.

A rape is a heinous crime impacting both physically and mentally. But this is limited to a person or at worst an extended family. On the other hand, desecration of national symbols hits at the foundation and hearts of every citizen of the nation. When such a huge crime is committed repeatedly and the government does not take commensurate action, what can citizens do? All the TV channels that did a song and dance on the Nirbaya issue (no offence) are missing in action in these cases. Why? The reason being these acts are being willfully committed in broad daylight for publicity and a purpose. The people committing these offences are neither weak nor innocent. They know that the powers behind them can take on the government. The government is in a tricky situation and forced to down play or turn a blind eye.

There are two options:

1) Maintain zero tolerance policy towards such acts with severe punishment including death

2) Liberalize the policy and desensitize the people's feelings towards the national symbols. This will ensure that the people would no longer get offended while saving the government the embarrassment, every time such an act is committed

Now when we have people debating ad nauseam, if a terrorist who killed hundreds of people should be punished or not, Option 1 is a non starter. Hence, we are left with Option 2 only.

Now, Indians can fly Tricolour at night

Now, Indians can fly Tricolour at night - The Times of India

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Feature


PS: On internet when one expresses an opinion, some people make take it as preaching. Generally, I would like to preach what I follow. Hence, I was clarifying that my opinion differs from my practice.

 

[mooppan]

Out comes the anti Christian card, what's the matter too afraid to look in the mirror?

it better suits too..
There is a thread about a poor Dalit student was beaten up by a JATT teacher for touching tiffin box of a fellow JATT student in Rajasthan..I have yet to see a response from you in that thread(because you use to post sarcastic/mocking posts in all these religious threads)..or you tactically omitted that thread just because you are a JATT(i presume you a haryanvi jatt)??..Raping/killing/caste mongering/khap panachayat/genocide...ya,you have many things to proud in your belt..
We are not afraid..The only afraid person is you..Thats why posting 3-4 year old you tube videos, tagging sanghis and crying in a Pakistan forum..

 

[Samudra Manthan]

I know you are trying to draw a parallel between rape and desecration of national symbols but I do not believe it is a fair comparison.

A rape is a heinous crime impacting both physically and mentally. But this is limited to a person or at worst an extended family. On the other hand, desecration of national symbols hits at the foundation and hearts of every citizen of the nation. When such a huge crime is committed repeatedly and the government does not take commensurate action, what can citizens do? All the TV channels that did a song and dance on the Nirbaya issue (no offence) are missing in action in these cases. Why? The reason being these acts are being willfully committed in broad daylight for publicity and a purpose. The people committing these offences are neither weak nor innocent. They know that the powers behind them can take on the government. The government is in a tricky situation and forced to down play or turn a blind eye.

There are two options:

1) Maintain zero tolerance policy towards such acts with severe punishment including death

2) Liberalize the policy and desensitize the people's feelings towards the national symbols. This will ensure that the people would no longer get offended while saving the government the embarrassment, every time such an act is committed

Now when we have people debating ad nauseam, if a terrorist who killed hundreds of people should be punished or not, Option 1 is a non starter. Hence, we are left with Option 2 only.
.

No, the comparison is not unfair. It was not long ago that societies considered rape to be acceptable too. Almost all countries did a wink wink nudge nudge on on rapes as war trophies and in many other instances. In fact many still do. Nirbhaya was just one protest in a long history of rape crimes.

The act of burning flags with impunity and without consequences is a fallout of a weak state and outright encouragement by the secular establishment and so called intellectuals in our society who need a society on boil to feel useful. That the state remained weak for so long does not mean that it should continue to be weak in the future too. Liberalizing the policy and desensitizing people to criminal acts to save itself embarrassment of being a weak state is what a suicidal state would do.

Option 2 would have been the only logical choice had India not turned Right and continued on its path of debasement, thankfully for India there are more options now.

 

[ranjeet]

it better suits too..
There is a thread about a poor Dalit student was beaten up by a JATT teacher for touching tiffin box of a fellow JATT student in Rajasthan..I have yet to see a response from you in that thread(because you use to post sarcastic/mocking posts in all these religious threads)..or you tactically omitted that thread just because you are a JATT(i presume you a haryanvi jatt)??..Raping/killing/caste mongering/khap panachayat/genocide...ya,you have many things to proud in your belt..
We are not afraid..The only afraid person is you..Thats why posting 3-4 year old you tube videos, tagging sanghis and crying in a Pakistan forum..

Aww I am sorry I started this thread, will make sure from next time not to hurt your fragile sentiments.

 

[dadeechi]

No, the comparison is not unfair. It was not long ago that societies considered rape to be acceptable too. Almost all countries did a wink wink nudge nudge on on rapes as war trophies and in many other instances. In fact many still do. Nirbhaya was just one protest in a long history of rape crimes.

The act of burning flags with impunity and without consequences is a fallout of a weak state and outright encouragement by the secular establishment and so called intellectuals in our society who need a society on boil to feel useful. That the state remained weak for so long does not mean that it should continue to be weak in the future too. Liberalizing the policy and desensitizing people to criminal acts to save itself embarrassment of being a weak state is what a suicidal state would do.

Option 2 would have been the only logical choice had India not turned Right and continued on its path of debasement, thankfully for India there are more options now.

That's wishful thinking. Actions speak better than words


Masarat Alam release: It is a match-fixing between PDP and BJP, says NC leader Devinder Singh Rana

National Conference (NC) Provincial President and MLA Devinder Singh Rana on Sunday criticized both BJP and PDP for encouraging extremists elements in Jammu and Kashmir.
Though the BJP clarified on Sunday that it will not take any such step which will not be liked by the people of Jammu and Kashmir, the NC leader said the issue is a match-fixing between PDP and BJP.
"It is a match fixing between PDP and BJP and the script has been written in New Delhi. Both parties are encouraging their extremists elements in Jammu and Kashmir. It will be dangerous for the state," Rana said.

The PDP-BJP-led Jammu and Kashmir government on Saturday released hardline Hurriyat Conference leader Masarat Alam, who was accused of inciting youth during the unrest in the Valley which at least 112 people were killed, from preventive detention after more than four years.
However, the BJP is upset over PDP's decision to release Masarat Alam from Baramulla Jail. The BJP called a Cabinet meeting and sources said questions were raised over why the party was not consulted before taking the decision.
Chief Minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed had said all separatist leaders under detention would be released.


Kashmiri separatist leader Masarat Alam re-arrested in jail premises

Jammu: Hardline Kashmiri separatist leader Masarat Alam was Tuesday re-arrested by police in Jammu jail premises after authorities released him following the Jammu and Kashmir High Court's order.
His Jammu and Kashmir Muslim League condemned his re-arrest and alleged he was taken to some unknown destination.
<img class="size-full wp-image-2416526" src="http://s4.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Masarat-alam-afp.jpg" alt="File photo of Masarat Alam. AFP" width="380" height="285" />
File photo of Masarat Alam. AFP
"After Jammu jail authorities freed Masarat Alam following the court orders, a police party however, rearrested him and took him away to some unknown destination," said a party spokesman.
Alam, who was arrested on April 17 for waving Pakistani flags in a separatist rally in Srinagar, was shifted to Jammu province's Kot Balwal jail after being booked under Public Safety Act (PSA) on April 23.
His detention order was quashed by the high court on August 21 on a petition seeking his release.
Alam, who is considered to be a close aide of senior separatist leader Syed Ali Geelani, spearheaded the 2010 summer agitation in Kashmir valley.
A huge controversy had erupted after Mufti Muhammad Sayeed government released Alam on March 9 this year, just days after taking reins of the Peoples Democratic Party-Bharatiya Janata Party coalition government in the state.
IANS