Beneath the radar, a Russia-Pakistan entente takes shape

[lem34]

It seems you guys are making mistakes in Understanding Russians.

Russia interest don't match with Pakistan, i.e. paranoia about India and taliban in Afghanistan, NDN is the proof. We together supported Northern Alliance.

As for Americans are concerned, Russian will let them stay in Afghanistan to clean the area of insurgents without losing a single soldier but won't let them creating grip in the area. And see all latest international events, India's response has always same like Russian and never like American.

That's why i told you you know nothing about Russians.

All the issues that you have raised have been adequately addressed. So I suggest you read all the posts

 

[21 Dec 2012]

It seems you guys are making mistakes in Understanding Russians.

Russia interest don't match with Pakistan, i.e. paranoia about India and taliban in Afghanistan, NDN is the proof. We together supported Northern Alliance.

As for Americans are concerned, Russian will let them stay in Afghanistan to clean the area of insurgents without losing a single soldier but won't let them creating grip in the area. And see all latest international events, India's response has always same like Russian and never like American.

That's why i told you you know nothing about Russians.

Russian interests have usually never matched with Paksitan's. But the situation is fast changing today. India and it's citizens are growing closer to the U.S, whereas Paskistan is moving away from the the U.S. But don't let that fool you. India will still remain a key partner of Russia for the forseeable future. Pakistan-Russian ties will be mostly based on economic rather than strategic angle and will be limited.

 

[lem34]

Russian interests have usually never matched with Paksitan's. But the situation is fast changing today. India and it's citizens are growing closer to the U.S, whereas Paskistan is moving away from the the U.S. But don't let that fool you. India will still remain a key partner of Russia for the forseeable future. Pakistan-Russian ties will be mostly based on economic rather than strategic angle and will be limited.

But tell me Russia is getting closer to China. This will also effect Russia-Pakistan and Russia-India relations.

Then we have Iran and America to add to the pot.

I simply don't think its just about Pakistan Russia and India Russia.

We also need to look at the two proposals for pipelines-one is an American proposal where American corporations skim the profits and the other proposal that has been forward by Putin. Both schemes see Pakistan as a transit nation. In the American proposal we see India being made a proxy to protect American interests in our neighbourhood eg to contain China.

Maybe you are right we will never get past an economic block or cooperation but I think Putin is a great leader and he may have other ideas reading between the lines.

Lets see interesting times we live in

 

[Tshering22]

But tell me Russia is getting closer to China. This will also effect Russia-Pakistan and Russia-India relations.

Then we have Iran and America to add to the pot.

I simply don't think its just about Pakistan Russia and India Russia.

We also need to look at the two proposals for pipelines-one is an American proposal where American corporations skim the profits and the other proposal that has been forward by Putin. Both schemes see Pakistan as a transit nation.

Now naturally TAPI and other such projects require the pipelines to pass through you since to reach the final customer, i.e us, the pipelines to pass through you.

In the American proposal we see India being made a proxy to protect American interests in our neighbourhood eg to contain China.

Hyphenating yourself to us by considering us as a proxy just because you were kept tied for 50 years won't change anything.

Maybe you are right we will never get past an economic block or cooperation but I think Putin is a great leader and he may have other ideas reading between the lines.

Lets see interesting times we live in

Of course. Let's see.

 

[lem34]

Now naturally TAPI and other such projects require the pipelines to pass through you since to reach the final customer, i.e us, the pipelines to pass through you.




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No Iran pipeline can go to China and or you. The first leg ie the IP is already signed up and it provides for China and or India to join

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Hyphenating yourself to us by considering us as a proxy just because you were kept tied for 50 years won't change anything.


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I didn't. I was talking about Pakistan Russia relationship and you and your Indian mates brought in the Indian connection so I had to explain to you the errors of your ways

 

[DDLJ]

Russian interests have usually never matched with Paksitan's. But the situation is fast changing today. India and it's citizens are growing closer to the U.S, whereas Paskistan is moving away from the the U.S. But don't let that fool you. India will still remain a key partner of Russia for the forseeable future. Pakistan-Russian ties will be mostly based on economic rather than strategic angle and will be limited.

Russia and Pakistan's interest match only at one place "not to allow Americans create grip in Central Asia" and that is not an issue for India.

Even if India is getting closer to US, it is not getting far away from Russian Indians still keep more positive views towards Russian than Americans.

And for the Economy part is considered, our arch-rival China is our largest trading partner, why would be have problem with Pakistan-Russia economic relation.

And you have other example in the region which is Turkey, Turkey is the member of NATO and has diplomatic and trade relations with Israel but still everyone love Turkey in the region.

 

[lem34]

Do you Indians not understand that the only interest in our neighbourhood that America has is firstly to contain China and secondly for American corporations to skim profits from oil pipeline. In this they wish to appoint India as its regional proxy policeman to look after its interests.

Now Iran China Pakistan and Russia do not like this vision of the Americans.

This American proposal was first postulated by Americans in 2004 and was dismissed as a bad idea. With recent failures in Afghanistan it is certainly a Plan B. The Americans mooted their grand Silk Road idea at the Turkish Conference on Afghanistan. None of the countries surrounding Afghanistan were dismissive of it. Even India who benefits from it stayed quiet.

Americans and Indians need to realise that India does not have a border with Afghanistan.

Let me be the oracle and telll you what will happen. In due course China will be connected and India wont through the pipelines through Pakistan. Chinese will be more competitive. In due course for their economy Indians will make concessions on Kashmir in return for real transit through Pakistan.

You Indians will now burn and not like that and get excited and I shall have a cigar and some coffee. lol

 

[Trisonics]

Do you Indians not understand that the only interest in our neighbourhood that America has is firstly to contain China and secondly for American corporations to skim profits from oil pipeline. In this they wish to appoint India as its regional proxy policeman to look after its interests.

Now Iran China Pakistan and Russia do not like this vision of the Americans.

This American proposal was first postulated by Americans in 2004 and was dismissed as a bad idea. With recent failures in Afghanistan it is certainly a Plan B. The Americans mooted their grand Silk Road idea at the Turkish Conference on Afghanistan. None of the countries surrounding Afghanistan were dismissive of it. Even India who benefits from it stayed quiet.

Americans and Indians need to realise that India does not have a border with Afghanistan.

Let me be the oracle and telll you what will happen. In due course China will be connected and India wont through the pipelines through Pakistan. Chinese will be more competitive. In due course for their economy Indians will make concessions on Kashmir in return for real transit through Pakistan.

You Indians will now burn and not like that and get excited and I shall have a cigar and some coffee. lol

Just a reminder, of all the countries you have listed, India has problems only with Pakistan and has great relations with others and somewhat complicated relations with China but certainly not as bad as the one with PAK.

As far as America is concerned, we all know who is and will continue dancing to their tunes. May I also add India's relationship is going good with the US too...Before all this lecturing you may want to grow a pair and show the rest of the countries that you are a 100% against American policies..maybe then somebody will actually listen to you? Good luck!

 

[Screambowl]

Of course you understand diplomacy. Wasn't that what Nehru did with his forward policy, you Indians making the same mistake you thinking you cleverer than everyone.

My assertions are that immaterial of our leaders (of China Pakistan Iran or Russia) wishes are or preferences are or past alliances its all very simple in that all our interests converge. therefore it is inevitable that an alliance will be formed in the future. For example Russia can only take America on with an alliance with China. China is an ally of Pakistan. China has border issues with India. Pakistan has issues with India. If it was a simple choice for Russia between India and Pakistan the Russians may well have chosen to go with India. But it is not that a simple choice, None of the countries wants India to be a proxy for American corporations to make money out of our neighbourhood via oil pipelines. Therefore it wont happen



you can see Saudi(American puppets) assisting India lol. But you cant see Russia aligned to Pakistan lol

Nehru?? buddy, you seriously need to re-look what you have posted.

and since when India became an American Ally? Pakistan seriously do not know the meaning of business, diplomacy, trade and relations. Pakistan seeks and tries to be an ally rather than any business partner. Pakistan is the one who does the groupism, not India. India is a signatory of NAM. In fact as I said, Pakistan is the other USA in Asia and you know I am right.

In this forum also you have shifted yourself from Americans to now Russians, discussing about Iran China Russia group, some times Muslim Block some times sunni block, etc etc etc . There is a limit bhai. Where you all want to go??

I do not want to go deep into our policies, but what ever India is doing has nothing to do with the Americans in Afghanistan and Iran has better relations with India.

 

[Screambowl]

Do you Indians not understand that the only interest in our neighbourhood that America has is firstly to contain China and secondly for American corporations to skim profits from oil pipeline. In this they wish to appoint India as its regional proxy policeman to look after its interests.

Now Iran China Pakistan and Russia do not like this vision of the Americans.

This American proposal was first postulated by Americans in 2004 and was dismissed as a bad idea. With recent failures in Afghanistan it is certainly a Plan B. The Americans mooted their grand Silk Road idea at the Turkish Conference on Afghanistan. None of the countries surrounding Afghanistan were dismissive of it. Even India who benefits from it stayed quiet.

Americans and Indians need to realise that India does not have a border with Afghanistan.

Let me be the oracle and telll you what will happen. In due course China will be connected and India wont through the pipelines through Pakistan. Chinese will be more competitive. In due course for their economy Indians will make concessions on Kashmir in return for real transit through Pakistan.

You Indians will now burn and not like that and get excited and I shall have a cigar and some coffee. lol

whose forces are in Afghanistan? India?
whose interest is more in Afghanistan? India?
Who bought f -16 from USA? India?
Who is fighting war on terror in Afghanistan with USA? India?
Who is getting supplies from USA to kill Taliban? India?
Who created Taliban? India??
Who fought against the communist in Afghanistan? India?

and you are calling us american ally? I do not understand from where India came into the story. this is BS and funny.

we are only concerned about the terrorist attacks coming from your soil into India and nothing much.

 

[TalkToMe:D]

whose forces are in Afghanistan? India?
whose interest is more in Afghanistan? India?
Who bought f -16 from USA? India?
Who is fighting war on terror in Afghanistan with USA? India?
Who is getting supplies from USA to kill Taliban? India?
Who created Taliban? India??
Who fought against the communist in Afghanistan? India?

and you are calling us american ally? I do not understand from where India came into the story. this is BS and funny.

we are only concerned about the terrorist attacks coming from your soil into India and nothing much.

Great reply but I am sure that fella will not learn, the one who donot want to learn

Nehru?? buddy, you seriously need to re-look what you have posted.

and since when India became an American Ally? Pakistan seriously do not know the meaning of business, diplomacy, trade and relations. Pakistan seeks and tries to be an ally rather than any business partner. Pakistan is the one who does the groupism, not India. India is a signatory of NAM. In fact as I said, Pakistan is the other USA in Asia and you know I am right.

In this forum also you have shifted yourself from Americans to now Russians, discussing about Iran China Russia group, some times Muslim Block some times sunni block, etc etc etc . There is a limit bhai. Where you all want to go??

I do not want to go deep into our policies, but what ever India is doing has nothing to do with the Americans in Afghanistan and Iran has better relations with India.

Some one said western Zionist in association with eastern Zionist, the CIA-MOSSAD-RAW conspiracy against the mighty and others believed it to be true

 

[lem34]

Do you Indians not understand that the only interest in our neighbourhood that America has is firstly to contain China and secondly for American corporations to skim profits from oil pipeline. In this they wish to appoint India as its regional proxy policeman to look after its interests.

Now Iran China Pakistan and Russia do not like this vision of the Americans.

This American proposal was first postulated by Americans in 2004 and was dismissed as a bad idea. With recent failures in Afghanistan it is certainly a Plan B. The Americans mooted their grand Silk Road idea at the Turkish Conference on Afghanistan. None of the countries surrounding Afghanistan were dismissive of it. Even India who benefits from it stayed quiet.

Americans and Indians need to realise that India does not have a border with Afghanistan.

Let me be the oracle and telll you what will happen. In due course China will be connected and India wont through the pipelines through Pakistan. Chinese will be more competitive. In due course for their economy Indians will make concessions on Kashmir in return for real transit through Pakistan.

You Indians will now burn and not like that and get excited and I shall have a cigar and some coffee. lol

Keep burning. Your responses to the above lack the necessary intellectual substance and do nor really warrant any further discussion. Personally insulting me or repeating the same diatribe does not give it any more gravity or make lies become true

 

[TalkToMe:D]

Keep burning. Your responses to the above lack the necessary intellectual substance and do nor really warrant any further discussion. Personally insulting me or repeating the same diatribe does not give it any more gravity or make lies become true

Ok, I am sorry if you felt insulted, I got an impression that you are relating Indian foreign policy as US influenced or like minded which is not true, India have her own interest and policies and is not a orator of US policies, I reacted so because few members blames India as an ally to US, where as US have more strategic terms with Pakistan then with India. I felt like you meant the same,

sorry once again if I have hurt you.

Well its a good news Russia improving economic ties with Pakistan. No body have seen the future and I hope it will be in favour of Eurasia.

Insulting is not funny.

 

[lem34]

The problem in our neighbourhood is not India Pakistan China Iran and or Russia but America. the sooner we all realise the better for our neighbourhood. We can not leave we live here and we have to coexist. Americans can and will leave

 

[Nair saab]

Of course you understand diplomacy. Wasn't that what Nehru did with his forward policy, you Indians making the same mistake you thinking you cleverer than everyone.

My assertions are that immaterial of our leaders (of China Pakistan Iran or Russia) wishes are or preferences are or past alliances its all very simple in that all our interests converge. therefore it is inevitable that an alliance will be formed in the future. For example Russia can only take America on with an alliance with China. China is an ally of Pakistan. China has border issues with India. Pakistan has issues with India. If it was a simple choice for Russia between India and Pakistan the Russians may well have chosen to go with India. But it is not that a simple choice, None of the countries wants India to be a proxy for American corporations to make money out of our neighbourhood via oil pipelines. Therefore it wont happen

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Ok I will Give a Similar Scenario ... India Accuses Pakistan of Spreading Terrorism , So Does Iran & Afghanistan,Even China has Pointed a Link of Pakistan with Uyghur Muslims Uprising in Xinjiang , So Has Russia accused Pakistan few Years ago about Supporting Chechen Terrorist ... Does it Mean that All of these Joining Hand Against Pakistan ...

& India , Russia , USA & Iran all had Supported Northern Alliance against Talib... Does It mean USA ,Iran getting Together to Punish Pakistan...So Ur Theory is Totally Biased & Holds no Water...

USA Doesnt enjoy the Same relationship with India that Russia enjoys ... It wont get Same as Russia even if USA & India Goes Hand in hand for another 2 decade ... Even at the Height of Cold war when Russia was a Super Power & India's Probably Only Friend in West , they Could not or Did not Dictate any thing to India... Cozz India never Goes Easy on being a Puppet state of Super Powers... Any how USA Wont be the Sole Super Power after 2 decades ...

Russia Want a Better Relation with India then what it wants with China... Cozz Russia Wants India to play the Same Role Against China which USA also Wants it to Play... thats Containing China... & Only Nation that can Stand against the Mighty China in Future According to the Russian & US Thinking...