Beijing bound Air Malaysia flight loses contact

[terranMarine]

Planes can autoland, not too sure about take off, in fact if I remember correctly, Boeing 777s are certified CAT3b autoland and have to preform an Automatic Landing once a month to keep the certification. During Autoland, Autopilot would just use the data from ILS Approach and Both inflight data and glide slope to calculate the flight path and it would land themselves, without the pilot input.

Does every pilot turn on autopilot during landing of these big birds every time they land? Or do they prefer manually?

Still, as far as I know, many pilot still do violate those rules, Many pilot during the 5 years I work in Airlines I know had once or more.invited unauthorized guest to the cockpit during black out

That's incredible, thought what happened after 9/11 pilots would strictly follow the rule for not letting unauthorized guests inside the cockpit.

 

[Mighty Caty]

My understanding is that ILS is only supposed to be used under extreme weather/visibility/whatever scenario. Normally, a pilot is expected to land the plane manually.

Can the tower know if a plane is using ILS or is being landed manually?

It's one thing for a pilot to goof off if no one else will know, but I don't know if he would use ILS without justification just because he was chatting up a passenger.

Totally.

I have been in an airline cockpit myself as a passenger. It happens more often than people think.

ILS (Instrument Landing system) is not the same as Automatic Landing. Basically, pilot clear for ILS approach (Usually granted unless either ILS equipment are unserviceable or RVR is below limit or other general go-around category such as wind shear and so on.)

Pilot would still make use of ILS system (localizer, glideslope and DME) for manual landing. However, a plane can, in practices perform an automatic landing under II or III a/b ILS setting again depend on landing requirement.

A plane could have landed automatically up to the pilot discretion, but ILS approach MUST be granted by ATC, basically if the ATC did not give ILS clearance, a pilot must either using VFR rule or older NDB (Non-directional beacon) for primitive landing

However, most pilot I know would certify AUTOLAND on a clear and sunny day instead of a windy and rainy day......

For me, I actually have been a visitor in the cockpit more after I quit working as a flight attendant, I used to work SAS and QantasLink

Pilot and Cabin crew are very close and I still know many pilot on the job, and they would allow anyone by all mean should not be there. Up there in the skies, it's the captain who in charge of everything, he/she can probably do anything and get away with it.

 

[Developereo]

Did you see the youtube video? In the video, you can see pictures in the cockpit with terrain features clearly visible in the photograph.These pictures were taken when the aircraft was on approach or climbing after take off.

The 777 is known as one of the safest aircraft ever built. I wouldn't rush to rule out anything at this stage

She was probably in the cockpit during landing/takeoff, but there is no evidence the pilots had their backs turned during those events. Their presence was unauthorized, but there is no evidence the pilots were not paying attention to the landing/takeoff.

 

[Mighty Caty]

Does every pilot turn on autopilot during landing of these big birds every time they land? Or do they prefer manually?

That's incredible, thought what happened after 9/11 pilots would strictly follow the rule for not letting unauthorized guests inside the cockpit.

Usually autoland is reserved for very bad weather when the pilot workload are overwhelmed by all the calculation, check list and communication, however, again, if I remember correctly, a planes certified for Autoland must recertify by performance every month and they are required to perform an autoland every month in order to keep the certification up.

Most pilot I know, around 20, do generally land the planes by themselves. Since the most fun from piloting a planes is either from take off or landing, but still it's really up to the pilot

and the guest things is really depends. It's normally up to the pilots, they can lock and unlock the cockpit door, until airline official put a plant on each cockpit they own, the pilot could and had invite guest up to the cockpit, even thought most airline forbid this practices.

 

[MarkusS]

This entire topic is exagerated. Search started 9 hours after it was clear that it crashed, its a gigantic area. Thats not mysterious at all. It can take weeks to find the airplane.

 

[baqai]

that blonde is doing nothing more than getting cheap publicity, convenient to blame a person who is not there to defend himself, crew often let people visit the cockpit and that's a known fact.

 

[cnleio]

 

[baqai]

it's part of standard operating procedure? is that so?

 

[A.Rafay]

were there any loose blondes on flight MH370? If so, pilot error could be the most likely cause lol

So you say pilots were enjoying blondes in the cockpit? Lol

 

[Viet]

I'm sure vietnam is capable for such rescue operation, i know there are some retarded people who have no common sense have no idea what is going on, they just blame every countries that involved, but still vast majority of people in china are grateful for vietnam's assistance.

Yes. Vietnam armed forces have not deployed fighter jets till yet. I think we should now. The airforce could activate the SU-30 jets, that have improved avionics, fitted with electro-optical pods, special surveilance camera.

The IF/TV camera can detect and analyse objects with distance up to 70km, resolution 0.3m, plus a board radar with distance of 100km with resolution of 2 metres.

The jets can travel great distances up to 8,000km.

 

[Viet]

This time China really thanks Vietnam, specially allow 2x PLA Tu-154 electronic warfare & information gathering planes into Vietnam airspace in Gulf of Thailand. I strongly believe Malaysia MH370 accident is NOT SIMPLE, coz 1st time China government to send spy planes into foreign airspace, A VERY SPECIAL MISSION.

Currently except some China rescure ships, PLA Navy has 1x 052C DDG, 1x 053H3 FFG, 2x 071 LPD in Gulf of Thailand and i think subs had arrived underwater. Now i read local Chinese media, said PLA Navy might send more warships to join this action.

China government sent many military planes and warships to search a missing passenger plane, it's VERY UNUSUAL.


Yup, it's unusual. I no doubt these China spy planes might land in Vietnam airport during search action. And China will send IL-76 transport plane to Gulf of Thailand.

Anyway it means Vietnam and China stay one side in this strange accident.

1. Open airspace for PLA military
2. Let China spy planes in (More than one)

This time Vietnam help China, or interests trade under table between governments

I believe Chinese planes and warships could land and anchor at Phu Quoc island in the Gulf of Thailand, where Vietnam has a large military basis. You can get fuel and service there as well.

 

[Developereo]

that blonde is doing nothing more than getting cheap publicity, convenient to blame a person who is not there to defend himself, crew often let people visit the cockpit and that's a known fact.

You should read the comments section of that story. Most people are condemning the "gutter journalism" of that story.

This program ACA is well known in Australia as tabloid gutter crap. They are always "informing" people about what the evil Chinese -- and immigrants in general -- are up to in Australia. Their other favorite target is Muslims. Here, they hit the jackpot with an Asian Muslim male who dared to look at a white woman.

It's an absolutely despicable program.

 

[jbond197]

Guys, if you want you can help scan the satellite maps and tag any suspected items on the map

Tomnod

This is part of crowd-sourcing effort to locate the missing plane.

Crowdsourcing volunteers join the search for Malaysia Airlines jet - CNN.com

 

[Viet]

Vietnam coast guard deploys two new search planes with a MSS 6000 radar aboard: CASA 212

 

[cnleio]

1. Malaysia Airline: MH370 lost in Gulf of Thailand.

2. Malaysia Police: MH370 no terror no hijacked.

3. Malaysia Military: MH370 appeared Malacca.

Five days passed, where is the MH307 ? I think MH370 was shot down by missile or MH370 was hijacked to some island. Malaysia government might know the truth.


BTW who can translate Chinese to English, interesting to read the story.

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