BBC: The Bin Laden Conspiracy?

[livingdead]

Seymour Hersh is an award winning investitative journalist, his last exposes includes Massacre of vietnamese civilians by american soldiers in 1969(won him award) and human right violation in iraq by americans.
This is not a conspiracy theory by crackpots, but by a respected journalist.
His assertions:
1. ISI was keeping Laden in safe house. They usually keep it under their watchful eye, which is why abbotabad.
2. Laden operation was an assasination, pakistanis helped it.
3. Americans were in abbotabad for 40 mins, local army commander asked police to stand down.
4. Its difficult to believe america can penetrate pakistani airspace at will, and more importantly expect to.
5. Laden was not dealing with operation details of AQ, its impossible to do without communication.

@jamahir @levina @Armstrong @Imran Khan @Jungibaaz

 

[jamahir]

four simple questions...

1. was bin laden even there??

2. why didn't usa military show photographs of the dead body??

3. why did this "raid" occur just a day after a nato air-strike killed one son of muammar gaddafi in tripoli along with three infants of the family??

4. what of those assertions that bin laden had died in afghanistan long back??

 

[Levina]

My take on OBL conspiracy
1) Hershey is right that both ISI and CIA have their hands in the cookie jar.
2) I don't think OBL was a prisoner as Hersh says.
3) AQ would have definitely trusted some agency to protect OBL, I'm sure they would not leave their leader in a high walled compound with one hench man.
4) SEALs would not throw out body parts from the chopper, Hersh got it wrong again.
5) America could have bailed out by showing OBL's post mortem pic, but they did not.
Another version could be that Obama govt decided to use OBL as a scapegoat while Obama's popularity in U.S. of A was dipping.
In another decade or so we might come to know of the truth behind OBL's death till then you and me can merely speculate about it.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Just like Saddam turned up in a hole just before Bush's re-election. Saddam was captured way before, Osama Bin Laden was probably being held by Pakistan with the knowledge of CIA.

Two possible outcomes:
1: Pakistan didn't accept the responsibility of killing Bin Laden in fear of some sort of Ultra Islamic revolution in Pakistan.
2. Both ISI and CIA was keeping him but fell out?

 

[Levina]

1: Pakistan didn't accept the responsibility of killing Bin Laden in fear of some sort of Ultra Islamic revolution in Pakistan.
2. Both ISI and CIA was keeping him but fell out?

You've cracked it!!!
I bet it's one of these reasons.

Seals were brought in 2 choppers because they knew there won't be much resistance. And I don't see a reason why US of A wanted the blame to be taken entirely by Pakistan?

 

[Jaanbaz]

You've cracked it!!!
I bet it's one of these reasons.

Now let me prepare my plans for taking over the world.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Post Republican victory US posture towards Pakistan will reveal the truth.

 

[Levina]

Now let me prepare my plans for taking over the world.

Ahemm
Hail Jaanbaz!

 

[GURU DUTT]

looks like CIA & ISI both new about OBL all along but no one wanted to let go the big money from "hunt for OBL/WOT" but OBL died of natural cause some time ago but to help Obama win US elections it was all a staged drama specialli since some new party in the matrix came to know about it(natural death of OBL) it was done so hurridlli

 

[jamahir]

Just like Saddam turned up in a hole just before Bush's re-election. Saddam was captured way before

saddam was saddam, not some cia created and supported two-bit puppet like bin laden... why didn't saddam run away from iraq when the invasion began?? so saddam was, as the story goes, betrayed and captured like the world knows.

for syria, if things turn out bad, bashar will stay on to fight and lead... and hillary clinton will land in damascus and declare with laugh "i came, i saw, he was captured".

Osama Bin Laden was probably being held by Pakistan with the knowledge of CIA.

You've cracked it!!!
I bet it's one of these reasons.

four simple questions...

1. was bin laden even there??

2. why didn't usa military show photographs of the dead body??

3. why did this "raid" occur just a day after a nato air-strike killed one son of muammar gaddafi in tripoli along with three infants of the family??

4. what of those assertions that bin laden had died in afghanistan long back??

Seals were brought in 2 choppers because they knew there won't be much resistance. And I don't see a reason why US of A wanted the blame to be taken entirely by Pakistan?

didn't the helicopters fly in from india?? or am i wrong??

 

[Jaanbaz]

looks like CIA & ISI both new about OBL all along but no one wanted to let go the big money from "hunt for OBL/WOT" but OBL died of natural cause some time ago but to help Obama win US elections it was all a staged drama specialli since some new party in the matrix came to know about it(natural death of OBL) it was done so hurridlli

What was this all about then??? Was this a slip of tongue?

 

[Psychic]

didn't the helicopters fly in from india?? or am i wrong??

Helis came in from Afghanistan.

 

[Jaanbaz]

saddam was saddam, not some cia created and supported two-bit puppet like bin laden...

Saddam was a US lackey, USA used him and armed him against Iran, USA and Israel provided weapons and gas which he deployed to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.

Its only later when Mr Saddam got out of hand that USA put Iraq under sanctions and basically Iraq was pretty much broke after Gulf war, millions of Iraqis suffered but Saddam hanged on to power through sheer brutality.

 

[jamahir]

Helis came in from Afghanistan.

isn't that a long way, compared to from india??

What was this all about then??? Was this a slip of tongue?

maybe a deliberate slip of tongue.

Saddam was a US lackey, USA used him and armed him against Iran, USA and Israel provided weapons and gas which he deployed to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.

1. let us not mix-up welfare of iranis with support for khomenei and his followers... there were and are many iranis who worked for or wish the overthrow of the mullah government, one being "mujahideen e khalq" which was supported by the iraqi government in the 80's during iran-iraq war.

2. in the iran-iraq war, nato and israel supported iran government heavily... we especially have heard of "iran-contra affair"... i have made at least three posts detailing the weaponary that iran got from western bloc... the most surprising actions in that war were of ussr, libya and north korea, who for some reason decided to support iran government... mistake.

3. iran helped israel in the israeli bombing of the iraqi nuclear reactor being built... you can consult this post ( Key Saddam deputy and top militant leader al-Douri killed in Iraq | Page 2 ) and that thread to see that khomenei's "islamic revolution" was no different from the fsa and ntc "arab spring revolutions".

Its only later when Mr Saddam got out of hand that USA put Iraq under sanctions and basically Iraq was pretty much broke after Gulf war, millions of Iraqis suffered but Saddam hanged on to power through sheer brutality.

from nato's point of view, saddam's iraq was a threat to gcc and iran government, and thus regime-change must reach him.

a uncle of mine worked in iraq until the 1990 invasion... he describes the saddam years as wonderful for iraq.

the mistake that saddam did was the invasion of kuwait... it could have been done through other ways.

 

[Psychic]

isn't that a long way, compared to from india??



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Doesn't US operate airbases in Afghanistan?Plus that area is close to Afghan border as well.