sonicboom
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Non-Bengalis were indeed killed, but only as reaction to the atrocities committed by the Pakistani army. Your allegation is akin to accusing a rape victim of ‘hurting’ her rapist in the process of defending herself.
It’s your personal opinion and you are entitling to it but it carries no weight. Do you have any evidence or proof from an independent non Indian reliable source, if there is any, to support your baseless personal claim? Just wondering if you were one of those RAW agents fighting along with Mukti Bahini in East Pakistan during that time that you know all this? I gave rebuttal for each allegation with evidence from reliable sources. Read the following again:
INTERNMENT CAMPS OF BANGLADESH by Loraine Mirza, an American born Journalist
“Armed Awami League supporters, their ranks swelled by students and deserters from the army and police, went on a rampage in East Pakistan, in which tens of thousands of non-Bengalis, at least 25,000 or more, were butchered between January and March 1971. The victims included the Urdu-speaking people (Biharis) as well as officials and their families from West Pakistan.”
As a matter of fact, in my opinion, the number is lot higher than what’s quoted above. I had many relatives including my father in the army at that time and we continue to hear news about how Wet Pakistani army officers and soldiers with their families were butchered especially by the soldiers of the East Bengal regiments before the army action. This news was not advertised to save the necks of hundreds and thousands of Bengalis living in West Pakistan. Just for your kind information, they all were treated in a very dignified manner and not even a single incident of beating or hurting or killing of any Bengali occurred in West Pakistan.
And read the following about what happened after the end of war:
‘In a brutal bloodletting following the expulsion of the Pakistani army, perhaps 150,000 people were murdered by the vengeful victors. (Rummel, Death By Government, p. 334.)”
You forgot to tell us, what would constitute ‘proof’ in your book. In fact you have ended up doing exactly what you have accused people of – that of beating about the bush. Not only that, to provide your ‘proof’ you have simply distorted history – even the ones which are recorded by neutral parties – and have quoted dubious research works to support your claim.
If you are such a naïve and don’t know what constitute a proof or evidence, then I would suggest that you shut up and mind your own business. If I provided, as you say, dubious research works to support my claim, then at least you could have done the same but you did not as you had nothing to show that would support any of your baseless claims.
A word or two (or three) about Hamoodur Rahman Commission (HRC). HRC arrived at that outrageously ridiculous number of deaths on the basis of this even outrageously little witness. It is a joke, by any standard. Quoting HRC figures of death toll, as something etched in stone, is intellectual bankruptcy.
It’s a Joke by whom? I guess by you and by the way who are you? You credentials? I did not quote this report myself but by the scholars who were participating in the US State Departments conference. If I were to pick between you and them, I would pick them without any doubt. Read again the following:
US State Department conference
"The historian branch of the State Department held a two-day conference on June 28 and 29 on US policy in South Asia between 1961 and 1972, inviting scholars from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to express their views on the declassified documents.
Shamsher M. Chowdhury, the Bangladesh ambassador in Washington who was commissioned in the Pakistan Army in 1969 but had joined his country’s war of liberation in 1971, acknowledged that Bangladesh alone cannot correct this mistake. Instead, he suggested that Pakistan and Bangladesh form a joint commission to investigate the 1971 disaster and prepare a report.
Almost all scholars agreed that the real figure was somewhere between 26,000, as reported by the Hamoodur Rahman Commission, and not three million, the official figure put forward by Bangladesh and India."
And if this figure is low according to your standard, then 3 million number is very high by my standard.
Refer to your post to taimikhan
Go ahead, refute it. Show us that, 'massive number of West Pakistani soldiers, their families, civilians and non Bengalis were already killed by Indian created and trained Mukti Bahini, deserters form the East Pakistan Rifles and the East Bengal Regiment.'
And why don’t you show us that the massacre did not occur before the army action. Do you have any evidence or proof?
toxic_pus:594747 said:I understand that your frustration is popping out as boils in your azz. Hence all this hopping around like, lets just say, our primate cousin in the wild. I know, it sucks to be wrong and then be proved wrong, that too by an Indian. (If it is of any consolation, you are not the only one. A few weeks back, my posts were deleted, under similar circumstance, simply because I am an Indian)
On another note, cow dung is actually very useful as fertilizer, insect repellent and source of bio-gas. I must thank you for calling my post as equivalent to cowdung. That is a complement, hard to find around here.
I don’t have any frustration. I just react. You have not proven me wrong as it would take you another janaam (life) to do so. First get your facts straight and come up with some credible proof and evidence to support your claim as I have done it. Your personal opinion has no value and is considered as a piece of shi!t.
You are not alone if your post was deleted. Oh! You poor baby, don’t you cry? We all have our complaints. I have my posts and threads deleted or locked by the moderators. We like it or not, the fact is that they are the moderators and we must obey them as they are there to implement the forum rules. Instead of complaining, you should be thankful that a platform such as this forum has been provided to you where you can express opinion freely and openly and even can bash Pakistan. If you are not happy, then you do have other choices. No one is forcing you to stick around.
I am glad to hear that you have found cow dung very useful. I have also heard that it’s a good anti depressant in case you need it as you sound very depressed in your response.