Battle of Britain Day: 76 years on from World War II turning point

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Battle Of Britain Day: 76 years on from World war II turning point.

Sep 15, 2016
German troops were unsuccessful in their aerial assault of the British mainland on 15 September 1940

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Today marks the 76th anniversary of Battle of Britain Day, seen as a major turning point in the Second World War.

To mark the occasion there will be a series of spitfire flypasts across the south coast of the UK, as well as ceremonies in Devon and Cornwall, home to a number of RAF bases at the time.

Battle of Britain Day occurred on Sunday 15 September 1940 when the German Luftwaffe launched its largest and most concentrated attack against London in the hope of drawing out the RAF into a battle of annihilation. Around 1,500 aircraft took part in the air battles that lasted until dusk.

The day is seen as a major turning point in the Second World War as Hitler, having lost the battle, decided to postpone Operation Sea Lion – the amphibious assault by German armed forces intended to prelude an invasion onto the British mainland.

HMS WOOD, World's largest warship when launched from 1920s to 1930s. Some Historian argue that it was the might of the Navy that stood between Britain and Nazi occupation

Having been defeated in daylight, the German Luftwaffe turned its attention to The Blitz night campaign that lasted until May 1941.

"In essence Battle of Britain Day ensured that the Western Allies had a base from which to launch the campaign offensive which would bring about the end of the war," says historian Paul Addison, and consequently it ensured "that there would be a Western Allied presence on the battlefield to meet the Soviet Red Army in central Europe at the end of the war in May 1945."

It wasn't just the British and the Germans who saw action. The RAF was made up of military men from all over the world, among them Poles, New Zealanders, Canadians and Czechs. All fought for the Allied cause during the Battle of Britain.

What happened in the Battle of Britain?
On 18 June 1940, following the Nazis' successful occupation of France, newly elected Prime Minister Winston Churchill gave a speech pronouncing: "The Battle of France is over. The Battle of Britain is about to begin."

The German strategy was designed to ensure air superiority over Britain as a precursor to Operation Sea Lion, a full-scale invasion of the UK. On 10 July the Luftwaffe began bombing shipping centres on the south coast before switching its targets to RAF airfields and infrastructure. Over the course of the next 12 weeks, both sides also conducted "terror bombing" of civilian populations, inflicting huge damage on London and Berlin.

Although the Luftwaffe heavily outnumbered the RAF, the UK's defence systems were more sophisticated and the British use of radar detection was key to its effective resistance. On 15 September the Germans sustained their heaviest losses as the RAF successfully repulsed two massive waves of bombers by deploying every aircraft available to them. Two days later, Hitler postponed the invasion of the UK in the face of mounting losses of men and infrastructure.

Why was it so important?
Historians widely agree that the importance of the Battle of Britain was first and foremost psychological. As the first defeat of Hitler's military forces in the war, it was an important factor in boosting the morale of the British public and the military themselves. In 2010, one veteran RAF pilot, Tony Iveson, told the BBC: "As far as we were concerned we saved the world."

Pictured: Churchill also took a role in military issues. It was he who was the political force behind the creation of commando units that would be sent in to disrupt the German military.

Churchill considered the RAF's role in the war effort as vital, declaring: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." The postponement of Hitler's invasion plans due to the defeat of the battle of Britain also meant that Britain could become a stronghold for the Allied forces as World War II continued and would eventually become the base from which the liberation of Western Europe was launched in 1944.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/64324/battle-of-britain-day-76-years-on-from-world-war-ii-turning-point

@waz, @Blue Marlin , @Arefin007 , @Steve781 , @Kaptaan, @Hamartia Antidote et Al. Time to honor our heroes who fought bravely for the nation and mankind.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@mike2000 is back As a kid I read "Reach for the Sky" account of of Sir Douglas Bader's exploits. Fantastic stuff. It led to lifetime interest in both WWrs. I had collection of Airfix WW2 aircraft in my bedroom for years.

 

[mike2000 is back]

@mike2000 is back As a kid I read "Reach for the Sky" account of of Sir Douglas Bader's exploits. Fantastic stuff. It led to lifetime interest in both WWrs. I had collection of Airfix WW2 aircraft in my bedroom for years.

Yes bro.But many people forget the role of the mighty Royal Navy in this war. Don't forget that the Royal Navy had far more firepower, experience and global reach than the German navy. In fact, as the article says it's the Royal Navy that was crucial in stopping Hitler from invading Britain(it really the RAF per se). Since even Hitler's generals knew it will be almost impossible to beat Britain at sea by launching an invasion of Britain through the high seas, this would have given us even more advantage/upper hand close to our own shores.

Battle of Britain was won at sea. Discuss.
By Thomas Harding
12:01AM BST 24 Aug 2006
Your view: who is to thank for the victory?

Royal navy fleet during WWII

The Battle of Britain was not won by the RAF but by the Royal Navy, military historians have conclude, provoking outrage among the war's surviving fighter pilots.

Challenging the "myth" that Spitfires and Hurricanes held off the German invaders in 1940, the monthly magazine History Today has concluded that it was the might of the Navy that stood between Britain and Nazi occupation.

The view is backed by three leading academics who are senior military historians at the Joint Service Command Staff College teaching the future admirals, generals and air marshals.

They contend that the sheer numbers of destroyers and battleships in the Channel would have obliterated any invasion fleet even if the RAF had lost the Battle of Britain.

The idea that a "handful of heroes saved these islands from invasion" was nothing more than a "perpetuation of a glorious myth," the article suggests.

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"Many still prefer to believe that in the course of that summer a few hundred outnumbered young men so outfought a superior enemy as solely to prevent a certain invasion of Britain. Almost none of which is true," reports Brian James, the author.

HMS Anson in 1945 after a battle in the Mediterranean sea.

Dr Andrew Gordon, the head of maritime history at the staff college, said it was "hogwash" to suggest that Germany failed to invade in 1940 "because of what was done by the phenomenally brave and skilled young men of Fighter Command".

"The Germans stayed away because while the Royal Navy existed they had not a hope in hell of capturing these islands. The Navy had ships in sufficient numbers to have overwhelmed any invasion fleet - destroyers' speed alone would have swamped the barges by their wash."

Even if the RAF had been defeated the fleet would still have been able to defeat any invasion because fast ships at sea could easily manoeuvre and "were pretty safe from air attack".

While admitting it was an "extremely sensitive subject", Dr Christina Goulter, the air warfare historian, supported the argument. "While it would be wrong to deny the contribution of Fighter Command, I agree largely that it was the Navy that held the Germans from invading," she said.

"As the German general Jodl put it, so long as the British Navy existed, an invasion would be to send 'my troops into a mincing machine'." Any challenge to the long-held theory that the 2,600 pilots of Fighter Command defeated the might of Germany would be subject to "more than a modicum of hostility", she added.

The Battle of Britain was "a sacrosanct event" for the RAF, like Waterloo for the Army and Trafalgar for the Navy.

It inspired Churchill to say: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."

Although six destroyers were lost during the evacuation of Dunkirk in May 1940 this was due to them being stationary as they picked up troops.

Tackling capital ships would have been an even greater task because at the time the Luftwaffe, unlike the Japanese during the destruction of the fleet at Singapore, did not have armour-piercing bombs, the article says.

It has been argued that German minefields strung across the Dover Straits would have prevented the Home Fleet, based at Scapa Flow, from destroying slow troop barges.

But Dr Gordon disputed this saying that Britain had 52 minesweepers and 16 minesweeping trawlers arrayed against four German minelayers.

The disparity between the navies was huge with Britain having 36 destroyers close by and a similar number two days away. The Navy also had five capital ships on hand, whereas the Kriegsmarine had lost or had damaged their battleships.

"Anyway, in an emergency, the Royal Navy steams straight through minefields as they did when pursuing the Scharnhorst," Dr Gordon said. "They have a drill, following line astern. 'Each ship can sweep one mine' is the rather grim joke."

Can you imagine the RN's targets? An invasion fleet of Rhine barges, moving at about two knots over the water, with a freeboard of a few feet. . . an absolute field day for our navy. So that was the nightmare for the German navy. They knew it just couldn't happen."

Royal navy aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal in 1939, with Swordfish of 820 Naval Air Squadron passing overhead to face the Germans.


Prof Gary Sheffield, the JSCSC's leading land warfare historian, said while some Germans might have got ashore it would have been near impossible for them to be re-supplied with the Navy so close by.

The article also argues that while the RAF had 644 fighters to the Luftwaffe's 725 at the beginning of the battle by October 1940 Britain was far out-producing the enemy.

It also said that after the defeat in France in early 1940 it was vital for Britain to have a victory to reassure the public it was winning the war and the RAF fighter pilots were an obvious choice. "In 1940, the total acceptance of the story's simple broad-brush strokes was very necessary," the historian Richard Overy said.

Dr Gordon added: "The RAF's was a substitute victory - a substitute for the certain victory over Sealion, had the Germans been mad enough to attempt invasion."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527068/Battle-of-Britain-was-won-at-sea.-Discuss.html

 

[Indus Pakistan]

destroyers' speed alone would have swamped the barges by their wash."

Entire "PanzerArmee" would have got "washed" without even a bullet being fired lol.

 

[Penguin]

Well, without air cover, any navy ships would have been vulnerable to air attack. Something the Brits were yet to discover.

The prestige of the Navy suffered severe blows when the battlecruiser Hood was sunk by the German battleship Bismarck in May 1941. Although the Bismarck was sunk a few days later, public pride in the Royal Navy was severely damaged as a result of the loss of mighty Hood. Later in December 1941, Repulse and the Prince of Wales were sunk by Japanese air attack.

Operation Sea Lion (German: Unternehmen Seelöwe) was Nazi Germany's code name for a provisionally proposed invasion of the United Kingdom during the Battle of Britain in the Second World War. Following the Fall of France the Nazis expected the British to seek a peace agreement, and invasion was considered as a last resort if other options failed. As a precondition, the proposed operation required both air and naval superiority over the English Channel and proposed landing sites, neither of which the Germans ever achieved during the war.

Hitler's directive set four conditions for the invasion to occur:

• The RAF was to be "beaten down in its morale and in fact, that it can no longer display any appreciable aggressive force in opposition to the German crossing".
• The English Channel was to be swept of British mines at the crossing points, and the Strait of Dover must be blocked at both ends by German mines.
• The coastal zone between occupied France and England must be dominated by heavy artillery.
• The Royal Navy must be sufficiently engaged in the North Sea and the Mediterranean so that it could not intervene in the crossing. British home squadrons must be damaged or destroyed by air and torpedo attacks.

This ultimately placed responsibility for Sea Lion's success squarely on the shoulders of Raeder and Göring, neither of whom had the slightest enthusiasm for the venture and, in fact, did little to hide their opposition to it.

A large number of barges were adapted as the proposed invasion fleet, but Sea Lion was postponed indefinitely on 17 September 1940 and never carried out. The German High Command had no confidence that the plan was feasible, and most historians agree it had little possibility of success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion#Air_power

 

[waz]

This thread just chokes me up. Look at our brother nations NZ, CAN and AUS and their contributions. AUS had 21 serving and 14 of them died! Their lands were not occupied, NZ and AUS faced a low level threat from the Japanese, yet they came to fight by our sides. I just feel we have so much lost time to make up for, after we abandoned them in the 70's for closer ties to Europe. God bless you airmen, we the people of the United Kingdom will always be on your debt, and I hope we come together in true brotherhood.

My prayers and a special mention to squadron 303, the flying Poles. Your antics in the skies is the stuff of legends.
Here is a beautiful dedication to them in Polish. Thank you dear elders and rest in peace.

Oh P.S "repeat please". Hahahahaha.

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.

Indeed......

 

[mike2000 is back]

This thread just chokes me up. Look at our brother nations NZ, CAN and AUS and their contributions. AUS had 21 serving and 14 of them died! Their lands were not occupied, NZ and AUS faced a low level threat from the Japanese, yet they came to fight by our sides. I just feel we have so much lost time to make up for, after we abandoned them in the 70's for closer ties to Europe. God bless you airmen, we the people of the United Kingdom will always be on your debt, and I hope we come together in true brotherhood.

My prayers and a special mention to squadron 303, the flying Poles. Your antics in the skies is the stuff of legends.
Here is a beautiful dedication to them in Polish. Thank you dear elders and rest in peace.

Oh P.S "repeat please". Hahahahaha.

Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.

Indeed......

Don't also forget we were allies with Russia back then and Royal Navy provided Russia with alot of military help against Nazi Germany.




Russia honors first British Artic convoy, 75 years on

Reuters
Aug. 31, 2016, 12:48 PM 36

Britain's Princess Anna attends festive commemorations for 75th anniversary of arrival of Arctic Convoy during World War Two in ArkhangelskThomson Reuters
By Dmitry Madorsky

ARKHANGELSK, Russia (Reuters) - British and Russian veterans of World War Two gathered on Wednesday in Arkhangelsk, 75 years to the day since Britain's first Arctic convoy of military supplies steamed into the northern port.

Britain's Princess Anne has been among those attending events honoring those who sailed and protected the convoys carrying supplies to aid the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany.

On Aug. 31, 1941, two months after Hitler's surprise attack on his erstwhile ally prompted Josef Stalin to seek support from a beleaguered Britain, the first convoy, codenamed "Dervish", sailed into Arkhangelsk -- or Archangel -- after a 10-day crossing from Iceland. Many later trips were to Murmansk.


In one of the lesser known examples of British-Soviet wartime cooperation, the six British and one Dutch merchant ships which arrived under the protection of the Royal Navy carried among other supplies a force of Hurricane fighters.

These would be flown by Britain's Royal Air Force in aerial battles with the Luftwaffe and the Germans' Finnish allies before being handed over to Soviet pilots three months later.

John "Tim" Elkington, a Battle of Britain veteran who arrived as a 20-year-old with the RAF's 151 Wing in Russia, said his most frightening experience was crossing the Arctic Sea on a route that would claim more than 3,000 Allied lives over the next four years as U-boats, aircraft and mines sank dozens of ships.

"The most dangerous part was being on an Arctic convoy and not knowing what was going to happen with the submarines, the aircraft and the mines," Elkington told Reuters in Arkhangelsk.

"But the operation in the air, there was no real danger because we were used to fighting Messerschmitts, we were used to that. And it was quite exciting to shoot an aircraft down."

The convoys were "the worst journey in the world" in the words of Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who used the supplies to forge an uneasy anti-Nazi alliance with Stalin that would last until the victors fell out, ushering in the Cold War.

Fears that new confrontation with NATO following the Russian seizure of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 has ended the post-Communist thaw have been accompanied by increased interest from President Vladimir Putin's Kremlin in rekindling memories of World War Two cooperation with Britain and the United States, which entered the war alongside them in December 1941.

As commemorations of Russians' huge wartime sacrifices have served to reinforce a sense of national pride and loyalty to Putin at home, the few remaining foreign veterans have also been assiduously feted by the Kremlin in recent years as it seeks to counter what it sees as vilification by Western governments.

One Russian veteran attending the festivities recalled being employed on the docks during the war as supplies rolled in that helped the Soviets first resist the shock of blitzkrieg and, eventually, to turn the war decisively against Hitler.

"It's very nice to meet those sailors we saw when we were young," he said as men, most in their 90s, reminisced together.

(Writing by Alastair Macdonald; editing by John Stonestreet)

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ru...sh-arctic-convoy-75-years-on-2016-8?r=UK&IR=T

@vostok, @Barmaley, @Zaslon et al

 

[UKBengali]

Yep, without the UK, most of the the world would have descended into Nazi and Japanese tyranny.

 

[waz]

Yep, without the UK, most of the the world would have descended into Nazi and Japanese tyranny.

True bro.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yes bro.But many people forget the role of the mighty Royal Navy in this war. Don't forget that the Royal Navy had far more firepower, experience and global reach than the German navy. In fact, as the article says it's the Royal Navy that was crucial in stopping Hitler from invading Britain(it really the RAF per se). Since even Hitler's generals knew it will be almost impossible to beat Britain at sea by launching an invasion of Britain through the high seas, this would have given us even more advantage/upper hand close to our own shores.

Battle of Britain was won at sea. Discuss.
By Thomas Harding
12:01AM BST 24 Aug 2006
Your view: who is to thank for the victory?

Royal navy fleet during WWII

The Battle of Britain was not won by the RAF but by the Royal Navy, military historians have conclude, provoking outrage among the war's surviving fighter pilots.

Challenging the "myth" that Spitfires and Hurricanes held off the German invaders in 1940, the monthly magazine History Today has concluded that it was the might of the Navy that stood between Britain and Nazi occupation.

The view is backed by three leading academics who are senior military historians at the Joint Service Command Staff College teaching the future admirals, generals and air marshals.

They contend that the sheer numbers of destroyers and battleships in the Channel would have obliterated any invasion fleet even if the RAF had lost the Battle of Britain.

The idea that a "handful of heroes saved these islands from invasion" was nothing more than a "perpetuation of a glorious myth," the article suggests.

ADVERTISEMENT

"Many still prefer to believe that in the course of that summer a few hundred outnumbered young men so outfought a superior enemy as solely to prevent a certain invasion of Britain. Almost none of which is true," reports Brian James, the author.

HMS Anson in 1945 after a battle in the Mediterranean sea.

Dr Andrew Gordon, the head of maritime history at the staff college, said it was "hogwash" to suggest that Germany failed to invade in 1940 "because of what was done by the phenomenally brave and skilled young men of Fighter Command".

"The Germans stayed away because while the Royal Navy existed they had not a hope in hell of capturing these islands. The Navy had ships in sufficient numbers to have overwhelmed any invasion fleet - destroyers' speed alone would have swamped the barges by their wash."

Even if the RAF had been defeated the fleet would still have been able to defeat any invasion because fast ships at sea could easily manoeuvre and "were pretty safe from air attack".

While admitting it was an "extremely sensitive subject", Dr Christina Goulter, the air warfare historian, supported the argument. "While it would be wrong to deny the contribution of Fighter Command, I agree largely that it was the Navy that held the Germans from invading," she said.

"As the German general Jodl put it, so long as the British Navy existed, an invasion would be to send 'my troops into a mincing machine'." Any challenge to the long-held theory that the 2,600 pilots of Fighter Command defeated the might of Germany would be subject to "more than a modicum of hostility", she added.

The Battle of Britain was "a sacrosanct event" for the RAF, like Waterloo for the Army and Trafalgar for the Navy.

It inspired Churchill to say: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."

Although six destroyers were lost during the evacuation of Dunkirk in May 1940 this was due to them being stationary as they picked up troops.

Tackling capital ships would have been an even greater task because at the time the Luftwaffe, unlike the Japanese during the destruction of the fleet at Singapore, did not have armour-piercing bombs, the article says.

It has been argued that German minefields strung across the Dover Straits would have prevented the Home Fleet, based at Scapa Flow, from destroying slow troop barges.

But Dr Gordon disputed this saying that Britain had 52 minesweepers and 16 minesweeping trawlers arrayed against four German minelayers.

The disparity between the navies was huge with Britain having 36 destroyers close by and a similar number two days away. The Navy also had five capital ships on hand, whereas the Kriegsmarine had lost or had damaged their battleships.

"Anyway, in an emergency, the Royal Navy steams straight through minefields as they did when pursuing the Scharnhorst," Dr Gordon said. "They have a drill, following line astern. 'Each ship can sweep one mine' is the rather grim joke."

Can you imagine the RN's targets? An invasion fleet of Rhine barges, moving at about two knots over the water, with a freeboard of a few feet. . . an absolute field day for our navy. So that was the nightmare for the German navy. They knew it just couldn't happen."

Royal navy aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal in 1939, with Swordfish of 820 Naval Air Squadron passing overhead to face the Germans.


Prof Gary Sheffield, the JSCSC's leading land warfare historian, said while some Germans might have got ashore it would have been near impossible for them to be re-supplied with the Navy so close by.

The article also argues that while the RAF had 644 fighters to the Luftwaffe's 725 at the beginning of the battle by October 1940 Britain was far out-producing the enemy.

It also said that after the defeat in France in early 1940 it was vital for Britain to have a victory to reassure the public it was winning the war and the RAF fighter pilots were an obvious choice. "In 1940, the total acceptance of the story's simple broad-brush strokes was very necessary," the historian Richard Overy said.

Dr Gordon added: "The RAF's was a substitute victory - a substitute for the certain victory over Sealion, had the Germans been mad enough to attempt invasion."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527068/Battle-of-Britain-was-won-at-sea.-Discuss.html

If Germany had defeated the Royal Air Force and achieved air superiority,
the Royal Navy would just be prey.
Like Prince of Wales and Repulse, they cannot survive long vs air attack.

 

[Piotr]

Don't also forget we were allies with Russia back then and Royal Navy provided Russia with alot of military help against Nazi Germany.

Don't also forget you Englishmen at first were allies with Nazi Germany. You helped Nazi Germany take over Austria and Czechoslovakia and then helped them take over Poland.There was defence pact between Poland and England, but you (Perfidious Albion) did nothing to help Poland. You wanted war between Germany and Russia. You wanted to weaken both Germany and Russia. World War II was your (Perfidious Albion) fault, so was World War I.
On the orientalreview website there are great articles by Nikolay STARIKOV (I'm newbe here so I can't post links yet) who explain how Perfidious Albion is responsible for World War II. Articles can be easly found by their titles:
Episode 13. Why London presented Hitler with Vienna and Prague (I)
Episode 15. Poland Betrayed (I)
You also helped Hitler conquer France:
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (I)
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (II)
Here from article above:
"When analyzing the causes of the improbably rapid downfall of France in 1940, it would be amiss not to mention the wonderful plan developed by German General Erich von Manstein. But the Brits made an equally important contribution to France’s defeat.

The English gave no thought to rescuing France and, unexpectedly for the French commanders who were directing the joint struggle, they ceased to carry out French orders. In his book, Churchill himself unabashedly quotes the telegram he received from French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud on May 24, 1940: “… the British Army had carried out, on its own initiative, a retreat of twenty-five miles towards the ports at a time when our troops moving up from the south are gained ground towards the north, where they were to meet their allies.”[1]"

You (Perfidious Albion) are also responsible for World War I:
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (I)
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (II)
From article above:
"The British were still able to avert a world catastrophe up until midnight July 31, 1914 had they only clearly stated their intention to enter the war. They did not. Because the English wanted this war."

Don't also forget you Englishmen killed 4 million people in Bengal in 1943 with your artificialy created famine.
I hope you (Perfidious Albion) will be soon kicked out of EU, and that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will become independent (from Perfidious Albion).

My prayers and a special mention to squadron 303, the flying Poles. Your antics in the skies is the stuff of legends.

"After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."
Source - Wikipedia article: National_Bank_of_Poland

It was 11 ton of gold according to article in Bibuła pismo niezależne. In other words England stolen 11 ton of gold from Poland. Serviceman from squadron 303 were patsies. One should never ever trust perfidious Englishmen.
@BRICSFTW , @victor07 , @russiarussia , @vostok , @Götterdämmerung , @Deino

 

[mike2000 is back]

Don't also forget you Englishmen at first were allies with Nazi Germany. You helped Nazi Germany take over Austria and Czechoslovakia and then helped them take over Poland.There was defence pact between Poland and England, but you (Perfidious Albion) did nothing to help Poland. You wanted war between Germany and Russia. You wanted to weaken both Germany and Russia. World War II was your (Perfidious Albion) fault, so was World War I.
On the orientalreview website there are great articles by Nikolay STARIKOV (I'm newbe here so I can't post links yet) who explain how Perfidious Albion is responsible for World War II. Articles can be easly found by their titles:
Episode 13. Why London presented Hitler with Vienna and Prague (I)
Episode 15. Poland Betrayed (I)
You also helped Hitler conquer France:
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (I)
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (II)
Here from article above:
"When analyzing the causes of the improbably rapid downfall of France in 1940, it would be amiss not to mention the wonderful plan developed by German General Erich von Manstein. But the Brits made an equally important contribution to France’s defeat.

The English gave no thought to rescuing France and, unexpectedly for the French commanders who were directing the joint struggle, they ceased to carry out French orders. In his book, Churchill himself unabashedly quotes the telegram he received from French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud on May 24, 1940: “… the British Army had carried out, on its own initiative, a retreat of twenty-five miles towards the ports at a time when our troops moving up from the south are gained ground towards the north, where they were to meet their allies.”[1]"

You (Perfidious Albion) are also responsible for World War I:
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (I)
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (II)
From article above:
"The British were still able to avert a world catastrophe up until midnight July 31, 1914 had they only clearly stated their intention to enter the war. They did not. Because the English wanted this war."

Don't also forget you Englishmen killed 4 million people in Bengal in 1943 with your artificialy created famine.
I hope you (Perfidious Albion) will be soon kicked out of EU, and that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will become independent (from Perfidious Albion).



"After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."
Source - Wikipedia article: National_Bank_of_Poland

It was 11 ton of gold according to article in Bibuła pismo niezależne. In other words England stolen 11 ton of gold from Poland. Serviceman from squadron 303 were patsies. One should never ever trust perfidious Englishmen.
@BRICSFTW , @victor07 , @russiarussia , @vostok , @Götterdämmerung , @Deino

Lool what are you on about dude?
Another new conspiracy theorist we have here.lol

So according to your delusional logic we are like GOD, since we can manipulate people like puppets into doing things they don't want to do.
In this regard, we probably manipulated the brain of German leaders so that they started invading European countries and starting both world wars. Lool Good logic.

Even funnier, you say we allied with Germany so we are responsible for the war. Lol
We never allied with Nazis Germany dude. Granted our prime minister back then was following a theory of appeasement towards Germany since we didn't want another repeat of WWI, reason we allowed Germany to occupy Austria and even Poland back then without intervening. We thought we could avoid a catastrophic world war. By your logic Russia is even more guilty then, since they were openly allied with Hitler until he turned up against them. Lool

 

[untitled]

If the Royal Navy was such huge factor in deterring the German invasion then why were the Germans able to hold on the British Channel Islands for so long? Why did the Royal Navy just not dislodge them there and then?

 

[victor07]

Don't also forget you Englishmen at first were allies with Nazi Germany. You helped Nazi Germany take over Austria and Czechoslovakia and then helped them take over Poland.There was defence pact between Poland and England, but you (Perfidious Albion) did nothing to help Poland. You wanted war between Germany and Russia. You wanted to weaken both Germany and Russia. World War II was your (Perfidious Albion) fault, so was World War I.
On the orientalreview website there are great articles by Nikolay STARIKOV (I'm newbe here so I can't post links yet) who explain how Perfidious Albion is responsible for World War II. Articles can be easly found by their titles:
Episode 13. Why London presented Hitler with Vienna and Prague (I)
Episode 15. Poland Betrayed (I)
You also helped Hitler conquer France:
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (I)
Episode 16. Who signed death sentence for France in 1940? (II)
Here from article above:
"When analyzing the causes of the improbably rapid downfall of France in 1940, it would be amiss not to mention the wonderful plan developed by German General Erich von Manstein. But the Brits made an equally important contribution to France’s defeat.

The English gave no thought to rescuing France and, unexpectedly for the French commanders who were directing the joint struggle, they ceased to carry out French orders. In his book, Churchill himself unabashedly quotes the telegram he received from French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud on May 24, 1940: “… the British Army had carried out, on its own initiative, a retreat of twenty-five miles towards the ports at a time when our troops moving up from the south are gained ground towards the north, where they were to meet their allies.”[1]"

You (Perfidious Albion) are also responsible for World War I:
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (I)
Episode 4. Who ignited the First World War? (II)
From article above:
"The British were still able to avert a world catastrophe up until midnight July 31, 1914 had they only clearly stated their intention to enter the war. They did not. Because the English wanted this war."

Don't also forget you Englishmen killed 4 million people in Bengal in 1943 with your artificialy created famine.
I hope you (Perfidious Albion) will be soon kicked out of EU, and that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will become independent (from Perfidious Albion).



"After the war, a bill for over 68 million pounds sterling, covering the equipment and operating costs of the Polish Air Force in Great Britain, was paid from the Polish gold reserves deposited in Canada."
Source - Wikipedia article: National_Bank_of_Poland

It was 11 ton of gold according to article in Bibuła pismo niezależne. In other words England stolen 11 ton of gold from Poland. Serviceman from squadron 303 were patsies. One should never ever trust perfidious Englishmen.
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In 1924-1929 Germany according to the "Dawes Plan" got from the United States - $ 2.5 billion, from Britain - $ 1.5 billion. This enabled German industry completely retool its material base, almost entirely upgrade production equipment and create the basis for future recovery of military production. German banker Schacht in 1929 noted with satisfaction that Germany for 5 years received the same amount of foreign loans, as America got for 40 years prior to the First World War.
On January 4, 1932 British financier Norman and the US politicians Dulles brothers met with Adolf Hitler, the result was an agreement on the financing of the NSDAP.
In 1933, Wall Street gave Germany the new loans totaling $ 1 billion. And in June 1933 in London Norman and Schacht agree on a new loan from Britain totaling $ 2 billion, and termination of payments on previous loans.
As a result of direct and indirect investments to the end of 1930s Rockefeller's Standard Oil controlled the entire German oil-refining industry and the production of synthetic gasoline from coal. The whole chemical industry belonged to Morgan banking house. Morgans's ITT controlled 40% of the telephone network in Germany and 30% in aircraft building company Focke-Wulf. Morgan's General Electric also controlled German radio and electrical industry specifically German concerns AEG, Siemens, Osram. General Motors controlled the German carmaker Opel. Henry Ford controlled all the shares of Volkswagen.
After the beginning of WWII Standard Oil of New Jersey and Davis Oil Company delivered to Germany 6 million tons of oil annually.
Brief balance of German budget in 1939/1940:
Ordinary income (mainly tax) - 59 billion.
Loans - 29.5 billion.
Revenues from the resources of the occupied countries - 41.5 billion.
Total: 130 billion.
Budget expenditures (including military) - 130 billion.
Seems that Poland in 1930-1940 was a small coin to USA and Britain.

Lool what are you on about dude?
Another new conspiracy theorist we have here.lol

So according to your delusional logic we are like GOD, since we can manipulate people like puppets into doing things they don't want to do.
In this regard, we probably manipulated the brain of German leaders so that they started invading European countries and starting both world wars. Lool Good logic.

Even funnier, you say we allied with Germany so we are responsible for the war. Lol
We never allied with Nazis Germany dude. Granted our prime minister back then was following a theory of appeasement towards Germany since we didn't want another repeat of WWI, reason we allowed Germany to occupy Austria and even Poland back then without intervening. We thought we could avoid a catastrophic world war. By your logic Russia is even more guilty then, since they were openly allied with Hitler until he turned up against them. Lool

Nothing with conspirancy, only business interests.

 

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In 1924-1929 Germany according to the "wes Plan" got from the United States - $ 2.5 billion, from Britain - $ 1.5 billion. This enabled German industry completely retool its material base, almost entirely upgrade production equipment and create the basis for future recovery of military production. German banker Schacht in 1929 noted with satisfaction that Germany for 5 years received the same amount of foreign loans, as America got for 40 years prior to the First World War.
On January 4, 1932 British financier Norman and the US politicians Dulles brothers met with Adolf Hitler, the result was an agreement on the financing of the NSDAP.
In 1933, Wall Street gave Germany the new loans totaling $ 1 billion. And in June 1933 in London Norman and Schacht agree on a new loan from Britain totaling $ 2 billion, and termination of payments on previous loans.
As a result of direct and indirect investments to the end of 1930s Rockefeller's Standard Oil controlled the entire German oil-refining industry and the production of synthetic gasoline from coal. The whole chemical industry belonged to Morgan banking house. Morgans's ITT controlled 40% of the telephone network in Germany and 30% in aircraft building company Focke-Wulf. Morgan's General Electric also controlled German radio and electrical industry specifically German concerns AEG, Siemens, Osram. General Motors controlled the German carmaker Opel. Henry Ford controlled all the shares of Volkswagen.
After the beginning of WWII Standard Oil of New Jersey and Davis Oil Company delivered to Germany 6 million tons of oil annually.
Brief balance of German budget in 1939/1940:
Ordinary income (mainly tax) - 59 billion.
Loans - 29.5 billion.
Revenues from the resources of the occupied countries - 41.5 billion.
Total: 130 billion.
Budget expenditures (including military) - 130 billion.
Seems that Poland in 1930-1940 was a small coin to USA and Britain.



Nothing with conspirancy, only business interests.

Lool you people are funny. So according to you, we should have had no business ties/trade with Germany? Using your delusional logic, the U S/U K/West should not be doing business/trade with China. Much less setting up our factories in China which enable them to grow and maybe one day if they start invading other countries due to their new found wealth/power, you should blame us for trading with them/investing there right? Lmao

I have even heard some conspiracy theories saying that the U.S/West are intentionally involved in China so they can make them grow powerful and then start a war with them/create conflict with their neighbours for our own benefit.