Battle of Ain Jalat I 1260 - Battle that stopped Mongols

[Wikki019]

Mamluks were special forces. Heck muslims were special forces. Now we have Imran Khans.

There was nothing special, hlagu khan went back with major chunk of army otherwise it would have been one sided battle

 

[Nein]

There was nothing special, hlagu khan went back with major chunk of army otherwise it would have been one sided battle

Put in proper perspective, Ain Jalut actually was the first time a Mongol detachment was defeated and did not immediately return with a stronger army to avenge their loss. Though it was only a minor defeat in the grand scheme, it showed a problem that would continually plague future Mongol attempts at expansion. Mongol forces looking to attack or exact revenge were often diverted due to the death of a key Khan, or greater priority was given to fighting off opposing Mongol khanates.

Winning the Mongols was like winning the jackpot.

 

[Tameem]

Hulagu was going to fight the Mamluks but Berke Khan intervened and began the Hulagu-Berke war which ended in a draw but also led to the split of the Mongol Empire.

Hulaqu-Berke War starts right after Hulaqu returns to his Khanate in 1262. Why he was hiding almost two years since Ain Jalut is the question.

Mongols were really close to extinguishing the Islamic World but also Europe.

That will happens if Hulaqu did not turns around with bulk of his forces right before Ain Jalut. Amir of Egypt could not gather more than 25000 troops in total and Hulaqu have 60,000 forces on eve of Damascus fall.

Berke Khan and Hulagu were actually family which could explain why Hulagu was cautious because he did not want his other family joining in especially if they were against him.

Their is no "Land" fued between Berke and Hulaqu as Berke have his own lands under Golden Horde to Governs, sufficiently. There is no need of Berke Joining in as Hulaqu have enough force in his hands to confronts Mamluks.

 

[Nein]

Hulaqu-Berke War starts right after Hulaqu returns to his Khanate in 1262. Why he was hiding almost two years since Ain Jalut is the question.



That will happens if Hulaqu did not turns around with bulk of his forces right before Ain Jalut. Amir of Egypt could not gather more than 25000 troops in total and Hulaqu have 60,000 forces on eve of Damascus fall.



Their is no "Land" fued between Berke and Hulaqu as Berke have his own lands under Golden Horde to Governs, sufficiently. There is no need of Berke Joining in as Hulaqu have enough force in his hands to confronts Mamluks.

Hulagu actually went all the way back to Mongolia to elect a New Khan. For two years? The guy gathered his army to fight the Mamluks until Berke Khan attacked him.

I dont think he was a coward he was just brutal and ruthless I think the battle of Ain Jalut more like destroyed his pride, arrogance and his ego.

Cowardice is not really a part of Mongols or any other steppe trait as it was seen as the worst thing to be in. If Hulagu waited two years maybe its not seen as cowardice the biggest form of cowardice was not getting revenge if you lose a battle or a war.

The Ottoman Empire had various defeats but they were also able to overwrite those defeats by winning. To win a victory you got to go out and get revenge if not you disgraced your ancestors and everybody and live to be a coward. Hence why the Ottomans joined in ww1 due to their defeats in Libya and in the Balkan Wars.

That explains the warlike culture of the Turks and Mongols

 

[Tameem]

Hulagu actually went all the way back to Mongolia to elect a New Khan. For two years? The guy gathered his army to fight the Mamluks until Berke Khan attacked him.

I dont think he was a coward he was just brutal and ruthless I think the battle of Ain Jalut more like destroyed his pride, arrogance and his ego.

Cowardice is not really a part of Mongols or any other steppe trait as it was seen as the worst thing to be in. If Hulagu waited two years maybe its not seen as cowardice the biggest form of cowardice was not getting revenge if you lose a battle or a war.

The Ottoman Empire had various defeats but they were also able to overwrite those defeats by winning. To win a victory you got to go out and get revenge if not you disgraced your ancestors and everybody and live to be a coward. Hence why the Ottomans joined in ww1 due to their defeats in Libya and in the Balkan Wars.

That explains the warlike culture of the Turks and Mongols

New Khan Kublai elected and cornated in 5 May 1260. 4 months prior to Ain Jalut. Check history first then comes again with your arguments besides mine.

 

[313ghazi]

How do you think we can change that?

We can't change it while we straddle 2 boats. We either follow the path of the Quran and Sunnah, the path ascribed to us by Allah OR we follow the path of the brown colonialist dominated "democracy", where our nation is expected to be "peaceful" or in other words subservient to the will of the west.

Now some people will read this and get thier head stuck in models of governance. Its not about that - it's about mentality.

Before our current state of mental enslavement, we were enslaved mentally (and some still are) by nawabs, waderas, land owners etc. Others chose not to be.

The only Muslims who have succeeded in the world have been those who were on the path of Quran and Sunnah.

 

[newb3e]

The only Muslims who have succeeded in the world have been those who were on the path of Quran and Sunnah.

exactly missiles weapons money dont win war only total and complete faith in Allah does!! unfortunately we as nation have no faith in Allah we have more faith in worldly tools our response military and politcial shows how much we have strayed from our path and how scared are we of idol worshipper militrary might and how we are willing to sell our muslim brothers in sister for bs mirage of economic prosperity!

 

[JonAsad]

extinguishing the Islamic World

Religions are not extinguished by invasions or massacres - your logic is absurd.

 

[313ghazi]

exactly missiles weapons money dont win war only total and complete faith in Allah does!! unfortunately we as nation have no faith in Allah we have more faith in worldly tools our response military and politcial shows how much we have strayed from our path and how scared are we of idol worshipper militrary might and how we are willing to sell our muslim brothers in sister for bs mirage of economic prosperity!

Tools and preparedness have thier place, but so does faith. How well stocked are we to sustain a war? How equipped are our civilians to deal with the consequences.

Simple examples - do we have fire engines in working order. Do we have ambulances? How well trained are we in first aid? Do our population know how to spot propaganda? Is our police trained to deal with spies or enemy agents? Can we organise civil defence? Are our awam armed and trained how to use weapons? Do our people have sabr to deal with heavy losses? You should have seen this forum on the night of the 26th Feb.

This is as much part of the sunnah as charging into battle.

 

[B.K.N]

How equipped are our civilians to deal with the consequences.

Our civilians are not interested in stupid war plans of internet warriors from a daily wage earner to a billionaire everyone is busy in his own personal affairs

 

[Nein]

Religions are not extinguished by invasions or massacres - your logic is absurd.

I dont mean religion but the Islamic World would no doubt be a shell of its former self if the Mongols won. Islam would no doubt been damaged a lot of if the Mongols got it their way.

I dont believe Islam would be extinguished but the Islamic World itself was a civilsation that could have been wiped out or just a weak shadow of itself if the Mongols fully conquered it. If they won ayn jalut what stops them from reaching the holy cities?

 

[newb3e]

Tools and preparedness have thier place, but so does faith. How well stocked are we to sustain a war? How equipped are our civilians to deal with the consequences.

Simple examples - do we have fire engines in working order. Do we have ambulances? How well trained are we in first aid? Do our population know how to spot propaganda? Is our police trained to deal with spies or enemy agents? Can we organise civil defence? Are our awam armed and trained how to use weapons? Do our people have sabr to deal with heavy losses? You should have seen this forum on the night of the 26th Feb.

This is as much part of the sunnah as charging into battle.

agree but its been 75 years now since our independence and all we have seen is looting corruption and ghulami!!

you talk about training people preapring for battle or worse times but how from fauji kayadad to their evil minion all they have done is manupilate people and now people are like slaves bowing down to their favorite bhagwan some bow down to ghq some to shareef shar to Imran to zardari to Mullahs!!

a proper nation is ruled by law ans we being an Islamic nation should have been taught only to follow and idolise Prophet SAW and learn from his life and if did what we were suppose to do we wouldnt be in this mess we as nation wouldnt act cowardly stop traffic for 30 mins and our response would have scares indians even if we dint launch an assault on them our response would have instill fear in their heart but look at us now ohh we are economically weak ohh our systems are weak phh our kids will die ohh we should Concentrate on bs mirage of economic prosperity!!

we lost faith we became cowards! we strayed from rightful path we became UNs cheap begger and thats sad!

and even after this huge fk up this mess we are in people continue to bow down to their respective bhagwans! crazy!

Our civilians are not interested in stupid war plans of internet warriors from a daily wage earner to a billionaire everyone is busy in his own personal affairs

ghazi bhai look at this young girl even after all the zulm in society in her case punjab she keeps bowing to to her fav idol Mr Buzdar!!

thats just crazy!

 

[B.K.N]

all we have seen is looting corruption and ghulami!!

No one in Pakistan will agree with you on this except few Desi liberals

 

[newb3e]

No one in Pakistan will agree with you on this except few Desi liberals

lols you live in some other world! lols is an apt reply to you! always

 

[313ghazi]

Our civilians are not interested in stupid war plans of internet warriors from a daily wage earner to a billionaire everyone is busy in his own personal affairs

They'll suddenly be interested when Bhangi are kicking down thier doors.