Barack Obama 'deliberately snubbed' by Chinese in chaotic arrival at G20

[Shotgunner51]

@Götterdämmerung @gambit @GeHAC

Alright guys enough fun on mocking each other, now let's go back to topic, thanks!

 

[gambit]

Stupid ***,I only denied the part of using your own stair chair not security arrangemant.You should really learn better logic from the Germans that's why they have famous philosophers and a modern Civil Law learned by many.

Here is another example of Xi Jinping's state visit...

http://abbtakk.tv/en/arrival-of-chines-president-strictest-security-arrangements20042015/

The 15-member Chinese team has also checked the security arrangements in Islamabad while 416 Traffic Wardens are posted in Islamabad, which remains closed for heavy traffic. G T Road, Motorway and Muree Road are also being closed while Airport Road too will remain closed for two days for six hours.

Traffic is controlled.

But for the Americans, a staircase is unreasonable ? You still have not explained why did the Chinese changed the security agreement at the last minute for this event.

But I do not expect you to answer. Your protector on the admin staff will take care of you.

How about another example of Chinese security service in action in state visits...

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/for-xi-jinpings-visit-security-tightened-in-delhi-667346

Security has been tightened in the national capital ahead of Chinese President Xi Jinping's official visit, with the police cordoning off certain areas keeping in mind demonstrations by the Tibetan community.

What this mean is that the Chinese security service met ahead with the Indian security services and worked out an agreement on what to do with the Tibetan community so as not to embarrass the Chinese leader.

So for the Chinese to say that maybe there were no prior security agreements between US and China is really in the realm of stupidity.

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...rary-queen-was-probably-just-trying-be-polite

The president’s support staff had their own food flown over from Beijing. Moreover, on a previous visit to Britain, in 2014, Premier Li Keqiang’s ( 李克強 ) minders complained that the red carpet rolled out for him at Heathrow Airport was not long enough.

Here we go...

Food was flown in from China. Guess British chefs were not good enough, and the red carpet was not long enough.

If food was flown in from China, what about the prior security arrangements for that ? Food is a perishable item. Cannot leave them uneaten for long lest they go bad.

For the Chinese President, nothing is unreasonable, even if it takes thousands of gallons of jet fuel to fly food from China. But for the American President, security details for a staircase is unreasonable.

 

[GeHAC]

Here is another example of Xi Jinping's state visit...

http://abbtakk.tv/en/arrival-of-chines-president-strictest-security-arrangements20042015/

Traffic is controlled.

But for the Americans, a staircase is unreasonable ? You still have not explained why did the Chinese changed the security agreement at the last minute for this event.

But I do not expect you to answer. Your protector on the admin staff will take care of you.

Any foreign leader who came to china also have a Traffic Control,that's a necessity for safety but also usual practice.You dont have a document to prove the existence of such part of agreement.So I have the reason to doubt the realness by reviewing the past.Actually,When obama came to Cuba this year there were also no proof that he used his own stair.

If the Chinese really want to harm the well-being of your president,an air stair won't save him.So its nothing about his safety.But if Chinese want to snub your president,a welcome with no carpet or flowers would be more make sence.

 

[gambit]

Any foreign leader who came to china also have a Traffic Control,that's a necessity for safety but also usual practice.You dont have a document to prove the existence of such part of agreement.

That is another stupid thing to say. Why on Earth would any security services put in public what they do and why they do it ?

Un-f-cking believable.

If the Chinese really want to harm the well-being of your president,an air stair won't save him.

Then why was there a prior agreement to let US use our own gear in the first place ? Then why was the change ?

 

[GeHAC]

Here is another example of Xi Jinping's state visit...

http://abbtakk.tv/en/arrival-of-chines-president-strictest-security-arrangements20042015/

Traffic is controlled.

But for the Americans, a staircase is unreasonable ? You still have not explained why did the Chinese changed the security agreement at the last minute for this event.

But I do not expect you to answer. Your protector on the admin staff will take care of you.

How about another example of Chinese security service in action in state visits...

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/for-xi-jinpings-visit-security-tightened-in-delhi-667346

What this mean is that the Chinese security service met ahead with the Indian security services and worked out an agreement on what to do with the Tibetan community so as not to embarrass the Chinese leader.

So for the Chinese to say that maybe there were no prior security agreements between US and China is really in the realm of stupidity.

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...rary-queen-was-probably-just-trying-be-polite

Here we go...

Food was flown in from China. Guess British chefs were not good enough, and the red carpet was not long enough.

If food was flown in from China, what about the prior security arrangements for that ? Food is a perishable item. Cannot leave them uneaten for long lest they go bad.

For the Chinese President, nothing is unreasonable, even if it takes thousands of gallons of jet fuel to fly food from China. But for the American President, security details for a staircase is unreasonable.

That is another stupid thing to say. Why on Earth would any security services put in public what they do and why they do it ?

Un-f-cking believable.

Sorry its your burden of proof not mine.Making more value judgement won't help your demonstration.I just make my query why US want have a "creative change" to the usual practice in China.You could choose to ignore and my demonstration is over.No more comments,its a meaningless topic.

 

[gambit]

Sorry its your burden of proof not mine.

I have proven it many times over and used your own leader at that.

 

[jkroo]

Sorry its your burden of proof not mine.Making more value judgement won't help your demonstration.I just make my query why US want have a "creative change" to the usual practice in China.You could choose to ignore and my demonstration is over.No more comments,its a meaningless topic.

Bro, the news that is fabricated by Yankees' media is to look down Obama, mock the lame president and sell to Yankees themselves. It's about some brain business for them not ours.
Many evidences are released out. So we just sit tight and watch the show, ok?

 

[gambit]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/w...-group-of-20-summit-airport-arrival.html?_r=0

The United States military had flown in a set of rolling air stairs, as it does on all of Mr. Obama’s foreign trips,...

There is nothing unusual here. Practically every country in the world knows this.

...and the White House had received Chinese approval to use the equipment.

This means there was an agreement between the two countries' security services as to how Obama would disembark Air Force One.

But before Mr. Obama’s arrival, a senior administration official said, the Chinese suddenly reversed themselves.

Why did the Chinese insisted on the change ?

This piece of hardware would never leave the ramp. What for ? Where else can it be used besides an aircraft ? This means the Chinese government initially saw no issues with the Americans using their own hardware to get the American off his jet.

So what was the point on insisting on Chinese gear ?

 

[GeHAC]

Bro, the news that is fabricated by Yankees' media is to look down Obama, mock the lame president and sell to Yankees themselves. It's about some brain business for them not ours.
Many evidences are released out. So we just sit tight and watch the show, ok?

Of course,the motivation of my comment is to treat the illed,but if they are incurable I have to give up on treatment.Doing our own bussiness right make more sence

 

[jkroo]

Of course,the motivation of my comment is to treat the illed,but if they are incurable I have to give up on treatment.Doing our own bussiness right make more sence

The so-called snub is a fabricated delusion from Yankees, period.

Go to get a lisense for psycology doctor so that will help you...for the treatment.

To save the earth is the everyday responsibility of Yankees, don't you know that?

 

[A.M.]

Chinese acting like children and nothing more. Why would you disrespect a guest in your house? Either it was complete incompetence or deliberate disrespect, either one makes them look bad.

Obama had the perfect response though...

"Obama suggested his Chinese hosts might have found the size of the US delegation “a little overwhelming”.

“We’ve got a lot of planes, a lot of helicopters, a lot of cars and a lot of guys. If you are a host country, sometimes it may feel a little bit much.”"

 

[Dungeness]

There is nothing unusual here. Practically every country in the world knows this.

It maybe usual for US president, but it is unusual for the rest of the world, including China. The whole world doesn't have to take your "Usual Practice" as Bible.

This means there was an agreement between the two countries' security services as to how Obama would disembark Air Force One.

You are basing your entire case on one unconfirmed statement on a news paper. Show us the proof of the said agreement, and I will blame on China side with you.

Why did the Chinese insisted on the change ?

Maybe China wanted to treat All World Leaders the same way, without submitting to the extraordinary demand from any particular country which may consider itself exceptional? Or maybe China was unable to seal off the entire airport, or China was not ready to turn the entire airport upside down, just to serve the president of ONE country, considering how many world leaders were flying in the same airport on the same day?

In any case, the accusation of "deliberate snub" for the same treatment that was given to All other world leaders, shows the deep rooted American Exceptionalism and arrogance, "My way or High Way".

 

[gambit]

It maybe usual for US president, but it is unusual for the rest of the world, including China. The whole world doesn't have to take your "Usual Practice" as Bible.

You mean this is usual...???

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...rary-queen-was-probably-just-trying-be-polite

The president’s support staff had their own food flown over from Beijing. Moreover, on a previous visit to Britain, in 2014, Premier Li Keqiang’s ( 李克強 ) minders complained that the red carpet rolled out for him at Heathrow Airport was not long enough.

So when the Chinese leader want something unique, it is usual, but when the American want something unique, it is extraordinary and burdensome.

You are basing your entire case on one unconfirmed statement on a news paper. Show us the proof of the said agreement, and I will blame on China side with you.

Another one who thinks that security services should reveal their methods.

This is so common sense that it is amazing that anyone could think otherwise. Each state visit have unique challenges that must be resolved before the actual visit by the guest.

http://www.philstar.com/business/2015/11/05/1518421/over-top-security-us-and-russian-presidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Security_Officer

You may think otherwise, but the US goes to great lengths so as to make as few demands on the host as possible. The Regional Security Officer (RSO) is the person who works with the host to achieve that goal. Every country have an equivalent of the American RSO. Currently, there are three countries whose state leaders have the highest security planning: United States, Russia, and China.

Not even the UK's monarchy is in the same league as your China's. Take it any way you wish. But what this mean is that you are in no position to criticize US. Does Xi relies on local interpreters ? Of course not. The US have Chinese speakers, so why not rely on ours ? The fact that the Chinese leader brings his own English interpreter is a unique request, one that the public does not need to see the details in order to know it is common sense for each leader, especially from powerful countries, to bring their own interpreters.

Maybe China wanted to treat All World Leaders the same way, without submitting to the extraordinary demand from any particular country which may consider itself exceptional?

The US brought our own staircase, and that is an extraordinary demand on China ?

Or maybe China was unable to seal off the entire airport,...

So you are speculating the Chinese security service is incompetent ? That would be interesting.

...or China was not ready to turn the entire airport upside down, just to serve the president of ONE country, considering how many world leaders were flying in the same airport on the same day?

Right...The G20 means there are 20 world leaders. It would make sense to actually 'turn the entire airport upside down' in order to create the most assured environment. That way, no one can accuse China of being lackadaisical in terms of respect for security for her guests.

But the Americans brought their own staircase and it had to turn into diplomatic scuffle by China.

In any case, the accusation of "deliberate snub" for the same treatment that was given to All other world leaders, shows the deep rooted American Exceptionalism and arrogance, "My way or High Way".

How is a staircase from our own equipment equals to arrogance ? Of all the hardware that we bring to a state visit, only the motorcade leaves the airport, which would have turned into a secured area in the first place. Nothing else leave the airport. That is a good thing for the host since every foreigner and foreign objects would be accounted for at all time. If other leaders accept China's gear -- fine. But why the abrupt change when it was already agreed upon weeks or even months in advanced ?

You are not thinking critically, but that is a common observation for the PDF Chinese.

 

[Economic superpower]

It maybe usual for US president, but it is unusual for the rest of the world, including China. The whole world doesn't have to take your "Usual Practice" as Bible.



You are basing your entire case on one unconfirmed statement on a news paper. Show us the proof of the said agreement, and I will blame on China side with you.



Maybe China wanted to treat All World Leaders the same way, without submitting to the extraordinary demand from any particular country which may consider itself exceptional? Or maybe China was unable to seal off the entire airport, or China was not ready to turn the entire airport upside down, just to serve the president of ONE country, considering how many world leaders were flying in the same airport on the same day?

In any case, the accusation of "deliberate snub" for the same treatment that was given to All other world leaders, shows the deep rooted American Exceptionalism and arrogance, "My way or High Way".

This is all made up Yankee propaganda. They have ZERO proof. This is to make China look bad.

China gave red carpet, if they don't want it, they can F right off.

No need to give special treatment to the Yanks.

 

[gambit]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/qa-was-this-weeks-traffic-mess-avoidable/

Why were freeway lanes shut down, in some cases up to an hour or more before Xi’s motorcade was even on the move?

Why didn’t the Chinese president travel around the region by helicopter?

Who came up with his travel plans?

Correct, who came up with the plans to burden the average Americans ?

“There was a first meeting between Washington (state) people and China people probably over a month ago … So we had some talks, and then they sketched out for us in detail, ‘Here’s what we want to do.’ And from that, we could make suggestions of course, and we did. But most of those suggestions in terms of logistics were not taken.

Surprise...surprise...surprise...!!! It took literally weeks of planning between the Chinese advance team and the US host to make Xi's visit respectable and respectful, even at the point of making a burden on the average Americans.

Now...If the Americans on this forum commented that we should not make concessions to heads of state visits, make Xi travels the same traffic conditions as the average Americans does, we would be accused left/right up/down and inside out of being uncouth, uncivilized, and not worthy of superpower status.

“The first thing that came up was the airport. The suggestion (to the Chinese) was, ‘If you landed at Boeing Field instead of Paine Field, you’d be in downtown much quicker and there’s much easier access; that’s where our presidents fly in.’ That did not change. We don’t know if that was a Chinese decision or a Secret Service decision. So then when they decided still to land there (Paine Field), we suggested that would be a good time to visit Boeing. Obviously (that suggestion) was not (taken).

The highlighted is significant.

The local government was not informed of why certain decisions were made to make Xi's state visit secured. But on this forum, the PDF Chinese insisted on seeing these top secret plans before they can believe their government insulted US.

Q: What are some of the other recommendations made to the Chinese advance team that weren’t taken?

Postman: “There were a lot of things. It’s been reported a lot there was a scheduled dinner at Bill Gates’ house. There never was. There was an invitation made, but it was never accepted. So there were some surprising things, from our standpoint, and I think that was one of them. Gary Locke presented the invitation on behalf of the Gates family, but it was never accepted or responded to.

So there was a Chinese advance team. Nothing unusual about that. They worked with the Americans and came up with an agreement on what the guest and host would do. Nothing unusual about that.

But when it comes to the American President...Holy Shit...!!! What a burden on the Chinese people...!!! The burden is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo effing onerous that a Chinese staircase must be used.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/...w-to-prepare-for-a-visit-by-a-chinese-leader/

A recently released Wikileaks cable provides a rare and detailed glimpse into the degree of stage managing involved when Mr. Hu makes domestic visits, usually with state-run news agencies in tow. The cable describes a great deal of secrecy over Mr. Hu’s identity, keeping local officials in the dark until the president himself arrives, as well as measures that include keeping the temperature of home cooking oil low so he won’t be scalded while helping locals prepare a meal.

This is a local visit. Not out of country. Great details were taken by the President's advance team. They made sure the locals were ignorant of Hu's arrival and all the way to how hot the cooking oil should be.

According to the PDF Chinese, it is absurd that there would be an advance team for US President wherever he travels. The proof of that absurdity is the absence of an agreement between the Americans and the Chinese host.

That is the intellectual quality of this thread: Pathetic.

In fact, it would be the opposite. If our leader visit a host, we always follow and respect the host. That is part of our culture, to show respect of the host country. If we arrive late, we certainly don't expect all smiley face and expect everyone to bow. Sending an oversize entourage and acting like we own this foreign country. That is not our style. It is India, but not us. We expect to be treat the same as any other leader, big or small country. Make no difference. That the beauty of our easy going. LOL

Really...??? This spin is as good as a merry-go-round.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/art...ahead-of-chinese-president-arrival-06-16-2016

Members of Falun Gong said they wanted to publicly practice meditation and appeal to the President to stop the persecution of the cult's members in China.

However, the Interior Ministry banned the requested rallies, citing a "justified possibility that supporters of Falun Gong and nationals of PR China could clash".

Make no mistake about it. The Chinese Presidential Advance Team made it clear that Xi would be offended by the presence of the Falun Gong group. And the burden is upon the host to make the state visit comfortable.

The humble facade is as thin as toilet paper and as weak as the same tissue wet.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...isit/president-xi-of-china-arrives-in-seattle

Mr. Xi won’t sample Starbucks products in Seattle, even at the Roastery, the company’s downtown temple to expensive coffees. Even though the Seattle police are being exceedingly obliging — shutting down parts of the city to traffic for the entire two days Mr. Xi is in town — a visit to the Roastery would be a security nightmare for Chinese officials anxious about protests.

So the American host were willing to make life uncomfortable for the average Americans in the interests of making Xi's visit comfortable. But for Obama's visit to China, using our own staircase is 'arrogant' and unreasonable.

Sending an oversize entourage...

Really...???

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...book/xi-jinping-visit/xi-father-united-states

When President Xi Jinping’s plane touched down in Seattle for the start of his American trip, 22 Chinese journalists got out of the back door, all handpicked from state-run newspapers and CCTV, the main state broadcaster, for one of the most important assignments in Chinese media.

Twenty two reporters ? What is wrong with 3-4 or 5-6 ? But 22 ? Not oversized to you ?