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Bangladesh' Next Frigate choice : Which LCS competitor for the next decade

Our Neighbor Myanmar has already built stealth frigates with Chinese assistance :-)

So not improbable.

And our shipbuilding history and quantity goes back eons.

More voluminous in the 1700's (British Imperial Navy).

Our private sector yards are ahead of myanmar, but the current government does not want to encourage their participation in the naval sector. Its easily within the capacity of Western Marine to design and build naval vessels in the 2000-3000 tonne range.

The problem is building ships overseas enables ministers and their juniors to earn huge bribes, which they would not get from local builders.
 
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:pop: Bring the Admiral Gorshkov-class frigate baby.........................:enjoy: just kidding :P
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since we chose type 056 corvate, we should go for Type 054A class frigate. best to compliment each other. we alrady operat chines missile and sam system+ they can provide soft loan.

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and if the price is over budget then we can leave the weapons system (sam / ciws / anti ship missile) for now and add them later when money is available........................:bunny::china:
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excellent! Then you should definitely go in for attempting to build frigates of your own design. May take some time, but will be worth the effort.

The local private shipyards can build ships up to 10,000 DWT so it won't be a big deal to build frigates or even destroyers if proper initiatives are taken...
 
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USS Detroit, LCS-08 Launched by Austal

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LCS (conventional Freedom class, not Independence class above) are much better than a large corvette/light frigate in terms of armament not to mention the trade off where their propulsion and hullform seems to be sacrificing range and endurance for speed.

In terms of cost and capability, there are a few East Asian navies with more capable frigates that are both cheaper and feature heavier armament (such as the FFX Incheon class or JIang Kai 1 - i.e. 054A).

There are some unique capabilities that LCS can offer other than speed (which isn't really that useful in most situations) -- such as a large helipad, MCM and UAV capability -- however one has to wonder what they have sacrificed in order to achieve everything in the hull design they ended up with. Not even any Mk-41 VLS or even true AShM. These are features that are crucial in an Asian naval combat scenario. Which is why FFX and 054A has them.

A reduced crew isn't necessarily a good thing for Asian Navies (unlike Western Navies) because automation can only do so much during a real naval combat scenario. All hands on deck needs all hands on deck.

Now onto the development of another US scenario.

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Realizing these LCS shortcomings - the US now has turned into damage control mode and changes the stakes once again :-)

It has re-named the last few funded LCS ships into another class altogether, the 'Small Surface Combatant'.

A plan has been started to replace the last 28-32 planned LCS vessels with a more capable, more heavily armed, multi-role guided missile frigate vessel.

Likely contenders are,

1) Lockheed Martin offering an up-gunned and upgraded, slightly larger Freedom Class LCS design
2) General Dynamics/Austal offering an up-gunned & upgraded, slightly larger Independence Class LCS design
3) Huntington Ingalls offering their Naval Patrol Frigate version of the Coast Guard National Defense Cutter.

The Huntington Ingalls design is a personal favorite because the design is straight forward and more economical than other options, yet effective. Just add a standard USN weapons fit to the Legend Class Cutter (The new National Security Cutter in the USCG that replaced the Somudro Joy/Avijan class) hull, the appropriate sensors and voila, new SSC!

Here's the proposed new Huntington Ingalls FF4921 Patrol Frigate and the design is entirely buildable locally in Bangladesh. Only the weapons fit is a question mark - like everywhere else on the subcontinent.

76 mm gun, eight ASMs in two quad launchers, an eight cell Mk141 VLS with 32 ESSMs, torpedo tube, and two ASW helos. Built on proven US Coast Guard NSC hull. Nice design. Now change the rough weapons-fit to a Chinese suite and you have a winner cost-wise too. You guys jump in with Chinese equivalents. :-)


The sales pitch from Lockheed Martin for an enlarged and up-gunned LCS Freedom class


The thing that is striking me about the newer ships is the modularity and drop-in changeability of various weapons fits as seen in the 1st and 2nd videos above. As well as the low Radar Signature of the sloping front profile in the variously sized Freedom-class LCS vessels.

What do you guys think? Is it important for our naval scenario in South Asia? Or for export?

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Mission modules shown
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CODAD or CODAG WARP propulsion with reduced-heat signature above-waterline exhausts
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Optional low-RCS wave-piercing bow. Up to 32 VLS and 127mm gun forward
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A video about the FREMM vessel Normandie

 
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F125 frigate (Germany)
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Wholly absent from this discussion are Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Russian (equivalent) choices. Feel free to jump in and comment.
BN will not buy the Kamorta class (indian equipment is frowned upon by the armed forces) and the F22P are specific to pakistan.

The front runners are South Korea with a version of the Future Frigate eXperimental (or FFX) Inchion class @ $568m for 2.
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The other options are C28a, similar to those bought by Algeria, modified for the BN...
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Bangladesh has numerous shipyards that export to Europe, New Zealand, and Africa...Bangladesh is a net exporter of ships now. How ever there are 2 factors here, 1: the private yards are not encouraged to build warships (only state run KEW can get naval contracts). 2: Warships our state run yard builds or will build are Chinese derived (LPC a cut down version of the Chinese type 056 corvette and soon type 056 corvettes), so i doubt we will be selling anything to india anytime soon.
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The Absalons based Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates actually cost $325m each, the inchion/FFX class have been offered to us for $280m each, the K130 Braunschweig class are priced at $330m each.....

South Africa bought the Valour MEKO A200 class for $327m each..
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...these have been also offered to the BN @ Euros 412m ($450m).....not all ships cost $800m plus.
Brother any specific reason for the highlighted part or its just because you have to:D
 
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Brother any specific reason for the highlighted part or its just because you have to:D

He also highlighted a lot of other frigate names.

The chance of Bangladesh buying or India offering Indian-made Navy vessels for Bangladesh Navy is essentially zero as the OP stated. The Navy's choices are not open to public scrutiny or questioning. It is what it is - there is no emotion involved. These are National Security and Defense matters.

Plus even if everything else was fine Project 28 Kamorta class had severe cost overruns (US$437 million budget ballooned to US$1 billion),the reason being that this was a first indigenized design in India of this type of large corvette (2800 tons) and that all Indian vendors were unfamiliar with weapons systems licensed assembly, fitment and integration.

So Kamorta class ships could be fine vessels but would be just as if not more expensive than first world vessels and have higher share of bugs to be worked out.

In that sense all the other frigate designs from mature shipyards having mature processes (DCNS, Ingalls, Scandinavian, Dutch yards) would be a bit ahead.

Most importantly -we're not talking only about purchases, we're talking about ToT here. Which may be impossible for Kamorta class.
 
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He also highlighted a lot of other frigate names.

The chance of Bangladesh buying or India offering Indian-made Navy vessels for Bangladesh Navy is essentially zero as the OP stated. The Navy's choices are not open to public scrutiny or questioning. It is what it is - there is no emotion involved. These are National Security and Defense matters.

Plus even if everything else was fine Project 28 Kamorta class had severe cost overruns (US$437 million budget ballooned to US$1 billion),the reason being that this was a first indigenized design in India of this type of large corvette (2800 tons) and that all Indian vendors were unfamiliar with weapons systems licensed assembly, fitment and integration.

So Kamorta class ships could be fine vessels but would be just as if not more expensive than first world vessels and have higher share of bugs to be worked out.

In that sense all the other frigate designs from mature shipyards having mature processes (DCNS, Ingalls, Scandinavian, Dutch yards) would be a bit ahead.

Most importantly -we're not talking only about purchases, we're talking about ToT here. Which may be impossible for Kamorta class.
Oh it means it is costlier to competitors of its class
Thanks
 
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Oh it means it is costlier to competitors of its class
Thanks

No, when I stated the fact that Bangladesh Armed Forces do not purchase Indian equipment, it has very little to do with price. The unwritten policy of not buying Indian equipment has existed since our independence, even though from time to time we have friendly relations, we will NOT buy Indian equipment.

We buy from China, Russia, South Korea, Serbia etc etc but NOT India, sorry but this is one of the lines the generals and admirals won't let the gov cross. India does make some good naval equipment, don't get me wrong, it's just that our policies exclude sourcing from India.
 
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Brother any specific reason for the highlighted part or its just because you have to:D
:enjoy: There is an un-written constituion in bangladesh armed force that " they will not buy a single bullet from india "

WHY?
is japan, taiwan buy weapons from china?
is pakistan buy weapons from india?
is Russia buy weapons from USA?

don,t you got it? our armed forces main enemy is india and mayanmar, it,s simple is that.................:p:
 
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No, when I stated the fact that Bangladesh Armed Forces do not purchase Indian equipment, it has very little to do with price. The unwritten policy of not buying Indian equipment has existed since our independence, even though from time to time we have friendly relations, we will NOT buy Indian equipment.

We buy from China, Russia, South Korea, Serbia etc etc but NOT India, sorry but this is one of the lines the generals and admirals won't let the gov cross. India does make some good naval equipment, don't get me wrong, it's just that our policies exclude sourcing from India.
Sure mate, your country your rules


We want good relationship with our neighbors

Doesn't matter from which country you are buying weapons from

and I sincerely hope we all South Asian countries will become self reliant in defense sector and cooperate with each other

so that we can decrease poverty level in the region as early as possible
Look at East Asians their development is something we should try to achieve
 
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Sure mate, your country your rules


We want good relationship with our neighbors

Doesn't matter from which country you are buying weapons from

and I sincerely hope we all South Asian countries will become self reliant in defense sector and cooperate with each other

so that we can decrease poverty level in the region as early as possible
Look at East Asians their development is something we should try to achieve
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:enjoy: There is an un-written constituion in bangladesh armed force that " they will not buy a single bullet from india "

WHY?
is japan, taiwan buy weapons from china?
is pakistan buy weapons from india?
is Russia buy weapons from USA?

don,t you got it? our armed forces main enemy is india and mayanmar, it,s simple is that.................:p:
You are kidding right :partay::partay:
Why we are enemies when we fought war of independence with each other:D
 
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