Bangladesh Navy indigenous Frigate development program.

[Brainsucker]

In bold, You so sure? When you lost several capabilities in terms of sensor and range of detection, not to mention data link capabilities.

I don't have the REAL data of both ships, about their sensor and range of detection. If you have it, then you should share them here. But theoretically, they are comparable. Because like what Bilal9 said, Type 056 is inspired by Sigma Corvette design.

Sigma PKR 105 for Indonesia may be 'theoretically' equal to Chinese Type-056 as far as combat capability, but practically (I'd argue) quite a bit superior. Type 056 design was 'inspired' by the PKR 105, which has far more 'original' design cues and stealthier. Plus encrypted combat data system itself is far superior.

IMHO, combat ship designers at DAMEN in Netherlands have more longstanding experience designing these types of ships, as do naval architects at DCNS (France), Fincantieri(Italy) and Navantia (Spain).

You are partially right with price sensitivity in Bangladesh. However lead ships of a navy are not like cookies you buy everyday. They are strategic purchases meant to last at least 30-40 years. So a few dollars extra for an incrementally better design (and build) really does not matter in the end. Plus shipbuilding labor costs in Bangladesh is probably (again) half that of Indonesia even.

If you said about Lead Ship, then why not aim for bigger ship instead?

 

[Bilal9]

If you said about Lead Ship, then why not aim for bigger ship instead?

Exactly.

Our Navy planners (by all reports) are looking at a 3500 to 4000 ton platform (six is the final number being bandied about), a bit bigger than the Sigma PKR 105 (which is ~2500 tons). This is going to be our new lead ship for the next two decades at least, so some flexibility and future proofing in terms of stealth and modular design will be necessary, hence the larger platform. The future war scenario in the Bay of Bengal, as in the South China Sea (as predicted by the US) will be fought in the littoral areas, so you can't make these platforms too large, draft being the limiting factor.

Helicopter carriers like Dokdo class for our Navy are definitely not in the cards yet (being a brown water Navy), but hopefully one day....

 

[Nabil365]

Exactly.

Our Navy planners (by all reports) are looking at a 3500 to 4000 ton platform (six is the final number being bandied about), a bit bigger than the Sigma PKR 105 (which is ~2500 tons). This is going to be our new lead ship for the next two decades at least, so some flexibility and future proofing in terms of stealth and modular design will be necessary, hence the larger platform. The future war scenario in the Bay of Bengal, as in the South China Sea (as predicted by the US) will be fought in the littoral areas, so you can't make these platforms too large, draft being the limiting factor.

Helicopter carriers like Dokdo class for our Navy are definitely not in the cards yet (being a brown water Navy), but hopefully one day....

Type 054A apparently got rejected according to BDmilitary admin.

 

[UKBengali]

Type 054A apparently got rejected according to BDmilitary admin.

Good.
China cannot be trusted over Myanmar.
Hope BD goes for EU design.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Good.
China cannot be trusted over Myanmar.
Hope BD goes for EU design.

How about Turkish MILGEM project ship?

 

[UKBengali]

How about Turkish MILGEM project ship?

Does not have all Turkish systems and nowhere near powerful enough in terms of sensors and armaments. Turkey is designing a new frigate that would be suitable but will not be available for another decade.
BD needs something like Fremm frigate with huge MFR AESA radar and mix of 32 Aster 15/30 SAMs.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Does not have all Turkish systems and nowhere near powerful enough in terms of sensors and armaments. Turkey is designing a new frigate that would be suitable but will not be available for another decade.
BD needs something like Fremm frigate with huge MFR AESA radar and mix of 32 Aster 15/30 SAMs.

LOL, I was talking about MILGEM combat ship project NOT Ada class corvette from the project! And Turkey doesn't produce every systems just like other EU countries. MILGEM project designs are modular and obviously available...

Powerful ship requires deep pocket which we don't have. We don't even operate proper modern corvette. But, you're dreaming FREMM-Type 26! LOL man, LOL...

 

[UKBengali]

LOL, I was talking about MILGEM combat ship project NOT Ada class corvette from the project! And Turkey doesn't produce every systems just like other EU countries. MILGEM project designs are modular and obviously available...

Powerful ship requires deep pocket which we don't have. But, you're dreaming FREMM-Type 26! LOL man, LOL...

Dude, these 6 ships will be built between now and 2030. 6 will come to around 4 billion US dollars at today's prices if BD goes for the heaviest version(7000 tonnes) but more likely a cut-down 4000+ tonne version will come in at around 3 billion US dollar s. Of course BD can afford it with expected growth of at least 7% a year between now and 2030. You are not looking at the long-term picture here.
Unlike Milgem which cannot be suitable for BD's needs as it lacks sensor and armament range( only 3000 tonne) and will not even be in service with Turkey for another 5 years, EU design will mean no component is US and less chance of sanctions.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Dude, these 6 ships will be built between now and 2030. 6 will come to around 4 billion US dollars at today's prices. Of course BD can afford it with expected growth of at least 7% a year between now and 2030. You are not looking at the long-term picture here.
Unlike Milgem which cannot be suitable for BD's needs as it lacks sensor and armament range, EU design will mean no component is US and less chance of sanctions.

Bro, stop you fanboi claims with future tense...

I was talking about MILGEM project design only. Components can be picked as we like...

 

[Arthur]

We don't even operate proper modern corvette.

Details please.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Details please.

What details?

 

[Arthur]

What details?

why do you think "We don't even operate proper modern corvette"?

 

[Dot]

Guys, as per BDmilitary all naval contracts are going to the Chinese. But the already stated rejection on 054A stands. If BDmilitary stands true, then a different Chinese variant/design maybe!

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

why do you think "We don't even operate proper modern corvette"?

Because, I can see any modern corvette hoisting Bangladeshi flag...

 

[UKBengali]

Bro, stop you fanboi claims with future tense...

I was talking about MILGEM project design only. Components can be picked as we like...

With all due respect, the ships will be built all the way to 2030. Future tense is relevant now as cost will be spread all the way to then and even beyond.
All reports say that the ship will be around 4000 tonnes in displacement and so that rules out the Turkish TF-100 frigate that is only 3000 tonnes, and it will not even be in service till 2021 with Turkish Navy! Be realistic, BD cannot use this design as a base for at least another 5 years.
If the Chinese have been rejected by BD, this only leaves an European design as the only realistic option at this time. I would like BD to go with Turkey but they will not have anything suitable for another decade. BD will start building this year and not 2025!