Bangladesh Election 2018 - PDF Poll

[Bilal9]

Bengali script was derived this way Indo-Aryan ->Magadhi -> Pali -> Bengali. Bengali script has absolutely nothing to do with DevNagari (Hindi) script. Hindi developed in complete isolation from Pali which then transformed into Bengali. Pali was Buddha's own language and spread to Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia as well as Sri Lanka.


Bengali Script

Bengali Numbers

DevNagari Script

Here's an Indo-Aryan language tree for India (Dravidian languages are in a separate league)

 

[Nilgiri]

Bengali script has absolutely nothing to do

and then posts a tree at the bottom

From one extreme to the other of stupidity @Ashes , really cant make this chit up.

Yep they look as different as latin and arabic and chinese clearly! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO/ NO RELATION CONFIRMED.

Hindi developed in complete isolation from Pali which then transformed into Bengali.

whooooo complete isolation....COMPLETE 100% ISOLATION!!!!

Man I wouldn't even say that for the dravidian languages w.r.t dev-nagari (do you even know that means ....here's a hint dev = god, nagari = script....hmm what language was referred to as that....oh right the language of the Vedas where the Devas were mentioned....) See that Indic at the bottom of the tree? Guess what that was.... Sanskrit(liturgical register, standardised) and Prakrit (common register, varied)... Pali was a Prakrit (one of many), only an utter moron would think otherwise..."COMPLETE ISOLATION!"

 

[Skies]

 

[Skies]

IMO: Five things BNP needs to do

1. Seems like they are only working on their supporters (old). No significant influence on floating voters and especially the new voters. They really need to do survey on floating voters to understand what they will consider before voting the next candidate.

2. Instead of pointing fingers at BAL for country's problems, they should be pointing fingers at problems only and explain how they will make things better. They should only say that what BAL could not fix, we will fix.

3. They should not tell anything against India. It is just not necessary. BNP can just be neutral about India or even can give some favor to India. No big harm.

4. BNP should promise more than BAL in next election. But with clear road map and time line and feasibility and explanation. BAL has already shown many goals/targets for BD which BD people might not have thought before. So BNP's manifesto has to be far more ambitious. Although it will be very difficult for BNP to find what BAL has not promised yet.

5. BNP should assure that no businessmen will be hurt (even BAL businessmen). In fact, BNP should make it clear that they will not be after BAL leaders and businessmen if wins but only serve the people and business.

6. Since there is no freedom of expression now, BNP can highlight this matter significantly and assure that if they come into power, there will be full freedom for everyone, including BAL. There will be no arrest for just expression. No ban for expression.

7. BNP should make deal with army secretly. Without Army intervention, there will be no fair election.

8. They should look smarter, not weaker before BAL. So no blaming BAL but make people dreaming more.

 

[Mage]

@Skies is trying hard to fill the void left by @Banglar Bir

 

[Skies]

@Skies is trying hard to fill the void left by @Banglar Bir

What are our similarities? I never followed him.

 

[Mage]

What are our similarities? I never followed him.

Basher kella videos, posting all the negatives about BD overlooking all the positives(we need someone to do that tbh, now that idune and Banglar Bir is gone)..selectively putting all blame in BAL....etc

 

[Skies]

Basher kella videos, posting all the negatives about BD overlooking all the positives(we need someone to do that tbh, now that idune and Banglar Bir is gone)..selectively putting all blame in BAL....etc

I do not see any such video and post by me. Show me proof.

And what do you mean by "negatives about BD"? I only try to expose lies of AL.

 

[Mage]

I do not see any such video

Basher kella vid

negatives about BD

I rest my case. It's negative in a sense that you are denying something BD's freedom is based on.....not to mention you were stating something totally wrong as pointed out by @Ashik Mahmud.......anyway I can probably find many such post by you if I search more precisely...anyway your views are your views.....comparing you with @Banglar Bir is actually a compliment.....He was like the high priest of this sub forum. Don't be offended...

I only try to expose lies of AL.

That's good and all.....however you need to understand every govt lies.....so simply being vocal to expose their lies but keeping silent when they do something good is quite a tasteless thing to do.

 

[Skies]

@Mage

Then that video sharing is coincidence. I got that on youtube feed. However, I wont mind sharing any BKELLA video if I think I can challenge you with that as reference. And you should acknowledge that the minister in the video is bullshitting. The video worth sharing again.

I am sure most of you will do the same about being silent and vocal is different situation (I mean if power changes). It is also tasteless to use the so-called development (in most of the cases, it is by private sectors and a normal course of development) as shield and tag others as anti-bd.

By the way, do you feel that BNP is mainly responsible for economic development by not giving Hartal?

Last time the garment owners were in loss for strikes.

 

[Centaur]

Seems like they are only working on their supporters (old). No significant influence on floating voters andespecially the new voters. They really need to do survey on floating voters to understand what they will consider before voting the next candidate.

@Skies
Exactly, this is the key part of Bangladesh politics and such floating voters are increasing in numbers. I am one of such floating voters who doesn't have any specific political ideology ( although I am strongly against leftist but that's not exactly political but it's related to religion), so peoples like me will vote for them who will feed me in a stable and reasonable market , who will give me electricity specially ,and other necessary facilities as top priority, in short who will not make my life harder to live .
Point 1 & 5 ( of your post )are most important for BNP now IMHO.
Although point 7 is not an option as military will not rebel against govt, as it's extremely harmful for the image of a country in this modern world.
But surely they are controling from behind and if BAL gone too far , I believe they will find a solution indirectly.

@Skies is trying hard to fill the void left by @Banglar Bir

The points of @Skies are very good , and it's their democratic right ( if BNP now understand what is the real needs of common folks.) with peacefull points.

And if BNP can think and work like that ( as Skies suggested) , then they are very welcome to end BAL rule.

Unfortunately BNP still doesn't think like it's common supporters.
I believe BNP will learn a lesson after this election and will be working peacefuly for common folks.
Then BD will be elevated.
After all BAKSHAL was much worse than previous BNP regime, so if BAKSHALis can came to power after 21 years and can do better for BD , then surely BNP will do it in 2024 election if they win.
I am surprised what make you compare his points with those posts?
Are you too desperate @Mage to show BAL as angelic flawless party?

Basher kella videos, posting all the negatives about BD overlooking all the positives(we need someone to do that tbh, now that idune and Banglar Bir is gone)..selectively putting all blame in BAL....etc

Specially with the anti BD troll posts of idune?

 

[Skies]

@Centaur

All I see BNP is basing BAL on FB pages (although in many cases reasonable but most certainly these will not attract any new voter).

BNP leaders have to change their approach. Old Khaleda (i like her as a gentle and modest lady) has to step down. And set someone else but not Tareq for this term. This is a good chance for Khaleda to step down showing cause of illness. Tareq looks also gentle but not intelligent. Just saw him in a video where he says Zia ur Rahaman envisioned sending satellite long time ago. I do not understand what is the point of saying this now. Now any one can ask him then why did not send it when you had chance. What will he say then but being found himself dumbfounded??!

I remember how AL used the "Digital Bangladesh" phrase like Obama's "We need change" phrase. Internet was slow at that time and the use of ICT was limited. By using Digital Bangladesh slogan (a comparatively new thing to Bangladeshis at that time) BAL attracted the new voters massively along with showing the false association of islamic terrorism with BNP. And today BAL has finished successfully the first phrase of Digital Bangladesh concept by sending satellite (although loss project according to cost-benefit analysis, the pride is the main thing here).

BNP has to think out of the box, not typical. Because people are changed today, and the deciding factors for giving vote to someone has changed. It must hire talented advisers and do sentiment and field survey.

BNP has to learn how to lead with strong conviction and consolidate the opportunities of time. And this is the opportunity if using the issue of FREEDOM of EXPRESSION and TRUE DEMOCRACY with accountability, which are ZERO now.

For the next election BNP can just do four things.

1. They should say that okay BAL has tried to develop, but if we come we will continue it, but our system will be SUPER TRANSPARENT and there will be accountability.
2. They should say that we will set the FREEDOM of EXPRESSION and TRUE DEMOCRACY on BD which is absent today. No one will be arrested for that unless does vandalism on streets.
3. We will increase the job (which is horrible now), new scholarships to abroad, new banking system, micro financing, entrepreneurship awards, talent nurturing etc.
4. Since there is a limited healthcare system in BD, BNP can offer something like Obama care in BD, like BAL offered unrealistic 10 taka KG rice.

All I am saying considering of the new voters who do not ideologically align with BNP may be. Otherwise, I do not think BNP has any chance to truly attract the new young voters based on old vote-deciding factors, however, I still think in a fair election people will vote for BNP being disgusted by BAL.

 

[Centaur]

@Centaur

All I see BNP is basing BAL on FB pages (although in many cases reasonable but most certainly these will not attract any new voter).

BNP leaders have to change their approach. Old Khaleda (i like her as a gentle and modest lady) has to step down. And set someone else but not Tareq for this term. This is a good chance for Khaleda to step down showing cause of illness. Tareq looks also gentle but not intelligent. Just saw him in a video where he says Zia ur Rahaman envisioned sending satellite long time ago. I do not understand what is the point of saying this now. Now any one can ask him then why did not send it when you had chance. What will he say then but being found himself dumbfounded??!

I remember how AL used the "Digital Bangladesh" phrase like Obama's "We need change" phrase. Internet was slow at that time and the use of ICT was limited. By using Digital Bangladesh slogan (a comparatively new thing to Bangladeshis at that time) BAL attracted the new voters massively along with showing the false association of islamic terrorism with BNP. And today BAL has finished successfully the first phrase of Digital Bangladesh concept by sending satellite (although loss project according to cost-benefit analysis, the pride is the main thing here).

BNP has to think out of the box, not typical. Because people are changed today, and the deciding factors for giving vote to someone has changed. It must hire talented advisers and do sentiment and field survey.

BNP has to learn how to lead with strong conviction and consolidate the opportunities of time. And this is the opportunity if using the issue of FREEDOM of EXPRESSION and TRUE DEMOCRACY with accountability, which are ZERO now.

For the next election BNP can just do four things.

1. They should say that okay BAL has tried to develop, but if we come we will continue it, but our system will be SUPER TRANSPARENT and there will be accountability.
2. They should say that we will set the FREEDOM of EXPRESSION and TRUE DEMOCRACY on BD which is absent today. No one will be arrested for that unless does vandalism on streets.
3. We will increase the job (which is horrible now), new scholarships to abroad, new banking system, micro financing, entrepreneurship awards, talent nurturing etc.
4. Since there is a limited healthcare system in BD, BNP can offer something like Obama care in BD, like BAL offered unrealistic 10 taka KG rice.

All I am saying considering of the new voters who do not ideologically align with BNP may be. Otherwise, I do not think BNP has any chance to truly attract the new young voters based on old vote-deciding factors, however, I still think in a fair election people will vote for BNP being disgusted by BAL.

@Skies
This one is one of the most sensible post from a PDF bangladeshi who has sympathy for BNP . Thanks man, I agree 100 % .
Yes if BNP can give such promises and also try their best to fulfil it , then no doubt they will take themselves in a new height ,where BAL won't be able to climb with their leftist aka secular ideology.

This is a good chance for Khaleda to step downg cause of illness.
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Exactly , this is a chance for khaleda Zia to step down with her honor as a former PM and BNP leader.
If she doesn't pay attention to the opportunity , then , certainly she will miss such chance , she might have to regret later .

 

[Skies]

Nowadays BNP is asking for democracy/Ganotranta Mukti Pak.
So I think it should practice Democracy 2.0 internally to select its leaders and make resolutions (however without changing its ideology) and set example. There should be an internal leadership rating and periodical evolution system. Then it will make more sense. They should make a diagram for the people to show how they have elected their new leaders. Such system will make opportunity for new talented leaders.

BNP = Democracy 2.0 based political party ( Democracy 2.0 could be a slogan for BNP like BAL's Digital Bangladesh)

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Democracy 2.0 is a mechanism to decentralize leadership in our current system, both legally and peacefully.

We all realize that the current system is broken. Democracy 2.0 is the first practical (non-violent, legal, effective, fair) way to begin gradually improving it from the ground-up, as opposed to tearing down the existing system and putting a completely new system in it’s place. It fuses online direct democracy, the United States government’s own public voter registration databases, feedback for all legislation, crowd-sourced funding, and social media with the elected representative system we already have in place.

Direct democracy is an ancient decision making process wherein any member of the community who wishes to participate can propose legislation and every member can vote. Direct democracy wasn’t practical when it was invented in Athens millenia ago because communication was limited due to the laws of physics. Using a revolutionary technology the world is just now truly understanding, known as the internet, legislation is drafted and passed by means of a simple transparent digital direct democracy system referred to as the democracy 2.0 system.

The power of Democracy 2.0, according to The Huffington Post, is in integrated human networks. New democracy takes a bottom-up approach, providing the power to affect the actual decision to people who can make knowledgeable decisions. Professionals (e.g. economics and from other subjects) will be able to make weighted decisions (along with a core party team of FIVE BNP personnel consist of KZ, Tareq and others).

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[Skies]

Thinking about the chance of any Third party in a fair election

if
BAL voters = 33% (Secular Bengali Chetona followers)
BNP voters = 33% (Modern and slightly religion-inclined-nationalism followers)
Floating voters = 33% (?)

So, a third party has to promise better performance than BAL and BNP to get about 40% votes and win.

Getting 40% vote is not difficult. About 25% from floating voters, 7.5% from BNP and 7.5% from BAL.

But the question is how the ideology of that third party will align with BNP or BAL's, as emotion and ideology are still the main deciding factors. Will the third party be secular or like BNP?

Also the third party has to find out why the floating voters are floating voter. Whether it is because of bad performance of BNP or BAL, or because of the ideology of BNP or BAL or the floating voters want something new.

I think in a fair election a new third party has a good chance but they have to clearly demonstrate why they are different, whether by performance and plan or by a balanced and tolerant ideology.

Also third party has to clearly define their foreign, national, religious and developmental policies.