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bdslph said:
this 8 mig29 are useless it will be good if all are retired and sold and the su30 replaces them
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But for SU30 we will be dependent on India for spares and overhawl, their maintenance cost is also higher and we specially need them for our Navy's air arm. For air supiority single engine is enough.
 
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rome333 said:
But for SU30 we will be dependent on India for spares and overhawl, their maintenance cost is also higher and we specially need them for our Navy's air arm. For air supiority single engine is enough.
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What happened to us evaluating the Gripen? There is a Sea Gripen version and the Brazilians are evaluating them as Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (scooter) replacement.

The Thais, South Africans, Czechs and Slovakians have them, some of them had Mig29's before this and the Gripen was a replacement. Also these countries have no enemies or threats.

I think the Volvo Flygmotor manufactured engine is a GE 404 engine though. So there are still strings attached.
 
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Bilal9 said:
What happened to us evaluating the Gripen? The Thais have them. I think the Volvo Flygmotor engine is a GE 404 engine though.
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You are correct. For the same reason as with F16, we may not consider Grippen. Although both F16 and Gripen are excelent machines for their prices.
Remember as a Muslim country we always got a Bullseye back of our head.
 
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Bilal9 said:
What happened to us evaluating the Gripen? There is a Sea Gripen version and the Brazilians are evaluating them as Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (scooter) replacement.

The Thais, South Africans, Czechs and Slovakians have them, some of them had Mig29's before this and the Gripen was a replacement. Also these countries have no enemies or threats.

I think the Volvo Flygmotor manufactured engine is a GE 404 engine though. So there are still strings attached.
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SU30 are great for a small fleet like us. Their radar can cover twice the area of BD and once the enemy locked there is no way of escaping.

Those bullcrap gripen has no deterrance capability.
 
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gripen and f16 are full of strong string attached su30 can be maintained in russia as the line of su30 are still open
if india do the maintain it i will not trust the work
f16 in future if india choose it it will be maintain by india for sure
 
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bdslph said:
gripen and f16 are full of strong string attached su30 can be maintained in russia as the line of su30 are still open
if india do the maintain it i will not trust the work
f16 in future if india choose it it will be maintain by india for sure
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If not SU30 could we get the Chinese versions like J-11? Here's a comparison. Design can be same, but Avionics, IFF, AESA radar need to be Chinese.

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Russia produces myriad variations of the Flanker that range from the relatively basic Su-30M2 to the top-of-the-line Su-35S Flanker-E. But moreover, there are a host of Chinese-made copies of the Flanker. And China continues to tinker with the design to develop ever more advanced and creative variations of the original Soviet design. Most of these Chinese knock-offs are unlicensed derivatives that Beijing reverse engineered and modified from the original Russian hardware. Indeed, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Chinese and Russian derivatives of the Flanker will be fighting over sales in the coming years. One can easily imagine a scenario where Sukhoi’s Su-35 goes head-to-head with the J-11D in a future export battle.

Overall, for now at least, Russian-built Flankers retain the technical edge over their inferior Chinese copies. Sukhoi’s Su-35S is by far the most capable version of the Flanker that has been built to date. It has advanced avionics, a much-improved airframe and new motors with three-dimensional thrust vectoring. It’s a very capable fighter that—if fielded in numbers—would be a potent threat to Western air forces. Other Russian Flanker variants like the Su-30SM and Su-34 are also very capable warplanes.

But the Chinese are catching up—they’ve gone beyond just reverse engineering and have started to branch off into original works of their own. Indeed, a senior U.S. industry official once told me that the Chinese are starting to embark on an aerospace “renaissance.” The main problem for the Chinese is that they are woefully behind on engine technology. While Chinese engineers are able to build working engines in the lab, they are not able to build reliable production jet engines. It remains their single biggest Achilles’ Heel.

While the Chinese are almost certainly catching up on aircraft avionics and sensors, it is not clear how capable their systems are. It is evident that the Chinese are developing passive electronically scanned array radar and active electronically scanned array radars, but how close those systems are to “prime time” is not clear. Similarly, the Chinese are developing their own electronic warfare systems, infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems. But there is very little data on how those systems might perform in the real world—even if the brochures are impressive. Given that the Chinese are relative novices at building indigenous combat aircraft and their subsystems, it is highly likely that most of the original Russian-built Flanker variants are still superior to Beijing’s knock-offs.


Nonetheless, Beijing’s aerospace industry has produced an impressive array of Flanker clones. In addition to the original J-11, J-11A and the indigenized J-11B—China is working on advanced derivatives including the J-11BS, J-11D and the J-16 strike fighter. The Chinese have also developed the J-15 carrier-variant from a prototype of the Su-33 Flanker. The three most capable Chinese Flankers are the J-15, J-11D and J-16. The J-11D is in many respects the Chinese equivalent of the Su-35—but it is overall less capable with inferior maneuverability and inferior avionics and powerplant. But it’s probably cheaper—and might be an attractive export product if the Chinese could craft operationally useable engines. But that’s still a ways off.

China will eventually be able to compete with and even one day surpass Russia in the military aviation industry. The Chinese have a lot of money and they are willing to spend it on developing their capabilities. The Chinese are also more than willing to steal any technology that they don’t already possess—and that helps save development time and money. Moreover, now that they have more or less picked Russia clean of any useful technological innovations, Beijing is focusing on raiding the U.S. defense-aerospace sector for American technical knowhow.

But ultimately, China is clearly hamstrung by a lack of indigenous innovation and horrendously bad quality controls—one of the many reason Beijing continues to fail in it is efforts to build a working jet engine. Until Beijing perfects jet engines, its aerospace industry will not be able secure customers independent of Russia.
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Article was written by an Indian defense analyst. hence the negative tone......

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-su-35-fighter-vs-chinas-j-11d-who-wins-14207
 
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Bilal9 said:
What happened to us evaluating the Gripen? There is a Sea Gripen version and the Brazilians are evaluating them as Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (scooter) replacement.

The Thais, South Africans, Czechs and Slovakians have them, some of them had Mig29's before this and the Gripen was a replacement. Also these countries have no enemies or threats.

I think the Volvo Flygmotor manufactured engine is a GE 404 engine though. So there are still strings attached.
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SU30 are great for a small fleet like us. Their radar can cover twice the area of BD and once the enemy locked there is no way of escaping.

Those bullcrap gripen has no deterrance capability.
Bilal9 said:
If not SU30 could we get the Chinese versions like J-11? Here's a comparison. Design can be same, but Avionics, IFF, AESA radar need to be Chinese.

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Russia produces myriad variations of the Flanker that range from the relatively basic Su-30M2 to the top-of-the-line Su-35S Flanker-E. But moreover, there are a host of Chinese-made copies of the Flanker. And China continues to tinker with the design to develop ever more advanced and creative variations of the original Soviet design. Most of these Chinese knock-offs are unlicensed derivatives that Beijing reverse engineered and modified from the original Russian hardware. Indeed, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Chinese and Russian derivatives of the Flanker will be fighting over sales in the coming years. One can easily imagine a scenario where Sukhoi’s Su-35 goes head-to-head with the J-11D in a future export battle.

Overall, for now at least, Russian-built Flankers retain the technical edge over their inferior Chinese copies. Sukhoi’s Su-35S is by far the most capable version of the Flanker that has been built to date. It has advanced avionics, a much-improved airframe and new motors with three-dimensional thrust vectoring. It’s a very capable fighter that—if fielded in numbers—would be a potent threat to Western air forces. Other Russian Flanker variants like the Su-30SM and Su-34 are also very capable warplanes.

But the Chinese are catching up—they’ve gone beyond just reverse engineering and have started to branch off into original works of their own. Indeed, a senior U.S. industry official once told me that the Chinese are starting to embark on an aerospace “renaissance.” The main problem for the Chinese is that they are woefully behind on engine technology. While Chinese engineers are able to build working engines in the lab, they are not able to build reliable production jet engines. It remains their single biggest Achilles’ Heel.

While the Chinese are almost certainly catching up on aircraft avionics and sensors, it is not clear how capable their systems are. It is evident that the Chinese are developing passive electronically scanned array radar and active electronically scanned array radars, but how close those systems are to “prime time” is not clear. Similarly, the Chinese are developing their own electronic warfare systems, infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems. But there is very little data on how those systems might perform in the real world—even if the brochures are impressive. Given that the Chinese are relative novices at building indigenous combat aircraft and their subsystems, it is highly likely that most of the original Russian-built Flanker variants are still superior to Beijing’s knock-offs.


Nonetheless, Beijing’s aerospace industry has produced an impressive array of Flanker clones. In addition to the original J-11, J-11A and the indigenized J-11B—China is working on advanced derivatives including the J-11BS, J-11D and the J-16 strike fighter. The Chinese have also developed the J-15 carrier-variant from a prototype of the Su-33 Flanker. The three most capable Chinese Flankers are the J-15, J-11D and J-16. The J-11D is in many respects the Chinese equivalent of the Su-35—but it is overall less capable with inferior maneuverability and inferior avionics and powerplant. But it’s probably cheaper—and might be an attractive export product if the Chinese could craft operationally useable engines. But that’s still a ways off.

China will eventually be able to compete with and even one day surpass Russia in the military aviation industry. The Chinese have a lot of money and they are willing to spend it on developing their capabilities. The Chinese are also more than willing to steal any technology that they don’t already possess—and that helps save development time and money. Moreover, now that they have more or less picked Russia clean of any useful technological innovations, Beijing is focusing on raiding the U.S. defense-aerospace sector for American technical knowhow.

But ultimately, China is clearly hamstrung by a lack of indigenous innovation and horrendously bad quality controls—one of the many reason Beijing continues to fail in it is efforts to build a working jet engine. Until Beijing perfects jet engines, its aerospace industry will not be able secure customers independent of Russia.
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Article was written by an Indian defense analyst. hence the negative tone......

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-su-35-fighter-vs-chinas-j-11d-who-wins-14207
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China committed to not to export any of the flaker variant with the Russian.
 
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bdslph said:
this 8 mig29 are useless it will be good if all are retired and sold and the su30 replaces them
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They are the only things that's capable of defending our 16 Crore collective ***. Ever thought we should sell of those pesky f-7 instead?

rome333 said:
You are correct. For the same reason as with F16, we may not consider Grippen. Although both F16 and Gripen are excelent machines for their prices.
Remember as a Muslim country we always got a Bullseye back of our head.
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Gripes comes with same strings attached to the f-16 so not an option.

If bd seriously wants 10 sdr of fighter jets... they should consider signing a big deal with irkut to make a fighter specially for us... as the Chinese, Malaysians, Indians and Venezuelans have done. That way the cost goes down with more successive production and we get a solid future proof machine with possibilities of tech transfer to build in Bangladesh.
And as for f-16 or gripen... it will be an operational upgrade but overall combat efficiency downgrade.
 
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Bilal9 said:
If not SU30 could we get the Chinese versions like J-11? Here's a comparison. Design can be same, but Avionics, IFF, AESA radar need to be Chinese.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Russia produces myriad variations of the Flanker that range from the relatively basic Su-30M2 to the top-of-the-line Su-35S Flanker-E. But moreover, there are a host of Chinese-made copies of the Flanker. And China continues to tinker with the design to develop ever more advanced and creative variations of the original Soviet design. Most of these Chinese knock-offs are unlicensed derivatives that Beijing reverse engineered and modified from the original Russian hardware. Indeed, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Chinese and Russian derivatives of the Flanker will be fighting over sales in the coming years. One can easily imagine a scenario where Sukhoi’s Su-35 goes head-to-head with the J-11D in a future export battle.

Overall, for now at least, Russian-built Flankers retain the technical edge over their inferior Chinese copies. Sukhoi’s Su-35S is by far the most capable version of the Flanker that has been built to date. It has advanced avionics, a much-improved airframe and new motors with three-dimensional thrust vectoring. It’s a very capable fighter that—if fielded in numbers—would be a potent threat to Western air forces. Other Russian Flanker variants like the Su-30SM and Su-34 are also very capable warplanes.

But the Chinese are catching up—they’ve gone beyond just reverse engineering and have started to branch off into original works of their own. Indeed, a senior U.S. industry official once told me that the Chinese are starting to embark on an aerospace “renaissance.” The main problem for the Chinese is that they are woefully behind on engine technology. While Chinese engineers are able to build working engines in the lab, they are not able to build reliable production jet engines. It remains their single biggest Achilles’ Heel.

While the Chinese are almost certainly catching up on aircraft avionics and sensors, it is not clear how capable their systems are. It is evident that the Chinese are developing passive electronically scanned array radar and active electronically scanned array radars, but how close those systems are to “prime time” is not clear. Similarly, the Chinese are developing their own electronic warfare systems, infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems. But there is very little data on how those systems might perform in the real world—even if the brochures are impressive. Given that the Chinese are relative novices at building indigenous combat aircraft and their subsystems, it is highly likely that most of the original Russian-built Flanker variants are still superior to Beijing’s knock-offs.


Nonetheless, Beijing’s aerospace industry has produced an impressive array of Flanker clones. In addition to the original J-11, J-11A and the indigenized J-11B—China is working on advanced derivatives including the J-11BS, J-11D and the J-16 strike fighter. The Chinese have also developed the J-15 carrier-variant from a prototype of the Su-33 Flanker. The three most capable Chinese Flankers are the J-15, J-11D and J-16. The J-11D is in many respects the Chinese equivalent of the Su-35—but it is overall less capable with inferior maneuverability and inferior avionics and powerplant. But it’s probably cheaper—and might be an attractive export product if the Chinese could craft operationally useable engines. But that’s still a ways off.

China will eventually be able to compete with and even one day surpass Russia in the military aviation industry. The Chinese have a lot of money and they are willing to spend it on developing their capabilities. The Chinese are also more than willing to steal any technology that they don’t already possess—and that helps save development time and money. Moreover, now that they have more or less picked Russia clean of any useful technological innovations, Beijing is focusing on raiding the U.S. defense-aerospace sector for American technical knowhow.

But ultimately, China is clearly hamstrung by a lack of indigenous innovation and horrendously bad quality controls—one of the many reason Beijing continues to fail in it is efforts to build a working jet engine. Until Beijing perfects jet engines, its aerospace industry will not be able secure customers independent of Russia.
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Article was written by an Indian defense analyst. hence the negative tone......

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-su-35-fighter-vs-chinas-j-11d-who-wins-14207
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Mohammed Khaled said:
You guys do know that f-16 maintenance cost is more than our mig29? Inspite of being a single engine jet?
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Mohammed Khaled said:
They are the only things that's capable of defending our 16 Crore collective ***. Ever thought we should sell of those pesky f-7 instead?


Gripes comes with same strings attached to the f-16 so not an option.

If bd seriously wants 10 sdr of fighter jets... they should consider signing a big deal with irkut to make a fighter specially for us... as the Chinese, Malaysians, Indians and Venezuelans have done. That way the cost goes down with more successive production and we get a solid future proof machine with possibilities of tech transfer to build in Bangladesh.
And as for f-16 or gripen... it will be an operational upgrade but overall combat efficiency downgrade.
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china cannot sale equivalent to j11 as it is su series in russia no thirrd party agreement
future the jc31 j14 j15 kind of plane we can buy
f7 and mig29 we need to dispose it they are useless what we have
jf 17 blk3 is out of question as BAL is in power and China will not open FC1 line as Pakistan will lose market
we have from china the j10 c only option and other FBC1 for bomber

we can order the su30 series specalized in BD model also the Mig35 OVT
su 27 is old already mig35 is new plane
other we have like su 37 35 34 they are expensive for us

f16 and jas 39 gripen is out of question as string attached
 
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Khan saheb said:
In case of SU 30 MK2, BAF can always turn to China for localisation of critical maintainance, overhaul & training.

China has great capabilities in maintaining these fighters both the airframe & Saturn AL 31 engine series.
@Bilal9 @rome333

@wanglaokan
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We can offer BAF piloted training of Su30MK, and set up overhaul and maintenance facility, also help to extend the life span of Al31 engine to 1500 hours by applying the recycling tech China owns. We can even provide Taihang turbo jet engine to power the Su30MK fighter if you need. We know how to rewrite the source code of the Su30MK so that it can carry Chinese missiles and ASM. I think Rusky will be very unhappy if we doing so.
 
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Does that mean the same Probable SU30 MK2 for both Airforce and Navy's air arm?
 
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