Bangladesh Air Force

[gslv mk3]

Does that mean the same Probable SU30 MK2 for both Airforce and Navy's air arm?

You are planning to have a fighter squadron in your Naval Air arm ?

 

[Arthur]

They are the only things that's capable of defending our 16 Crore collective ***. Ever thought we should sell of those pesky f-7 instead?

To be honest, I don't understand the hate for the trusted F-7. It's the best fighter in it's design era & price group.
At least ours are not flying coffins from the cold war.

Does that mean the same Probable SU30 MK2 for both Airforce and Navy's air arm?

Yes. It also keeps the path open
for an Al 31FN3 powered J 10 in BAF service.

We can offer BAF piloted training of Su30MK, and set up overhaul and maintenance facility, also help to extend the life span of Al31 engine to 1500 hours by applying the recycling tech China owns. We can even provide Taihang turbo jet engine to power the Su30MK fighter if you need. We know how to rewrite the source code of the Su30MK so that it can carry Chinese missiles and ASM. I think Rusky will be very unhappy if we doing so.

Thanks for putting these informations in a nutshell for us in this thread. It's a great thing that BD can work with China in the field of defence & mutual interest.

 

[rome333]

To be honest, I don't understand the hate for the trusted F-7. It's the best fighter in it's design era & price group.
At least ours are not flying coffins from the cold war.


Yes. It also keeps the path open
for an Al 31FN3 powered J 10 in BAF service.


Thanks to the very informative China Forum here I am aware of these capabilities of China. Thanks for putting those informations in a nutshell for us in this thread. It's a great thing that BD can work with China in the field of defence & mutual interest.
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So its the same engine on two different airframes. Great saving options out there! Lets go shopping then. BD govt can ask for extra tax this year cause I am willing to pay!

 

[bd_4_ever]

For the short term (next 2-3 years): just get 16-24 SU 30s or 35s. It will do more then a better job alongside our current F7s to defend the airspace.

For the long term (2030): 10 sqds, J-10/11 and SUs should make up our inventory. I dont think we need to consider western options and Gripens for our AF. Dont need them. As @TopCat mentioned, a good fleet of SUs are more then enough to defend our airspace. Maintenance gets easier as well because we can always go to China or even develop our own capability.

We dont need more aircrafts other then that. The wider the range, the more the financial and maintenance concern. Just keep building the SAM batteries and get better AA defence umbrella. Any airforce will think twice before venturing in.

 

[Avicenna]

How much would 8 Su-30MK2 cost?

 

[damiendehorn]

How much would 8 Su-30MK2 cost?

Depends on the specs, and other options. Price for 8 would cost $375m to $550m.....

 

[bangali nazi]

How much would 8 Su-30MK2 cost?

400 million usd i think

 

[~Phoenix~]

I posted pia a-310 at hazrat shajalal airport . There is something else in pic ?

Wrong thread then




For those who think that J-11 is the best Chinese flanker produced.

The Shenyang J-16 is a Long Range Multi-Role Fighter/Bomber,developed from the J-11 BS with much more longer range and advanced avoinics...similar to the F-15E Strike Eagle.
With 12 pylons,the J-16 is able to carry a full range of indigenous Chinese equipment including super and subsonic anti-ship missiles, air to air missiles, satellite guided bombs, cruise missiles and electronic countermeasure (ECM) jammers.It has been speculated that the J-16's WS-10 engines lack sufficient power for the aircraft, given their design faults and the greater weight of the airframe compared to other Chinese Su-27 variants, and that an engine upgrade will be needed to allow the new plane to meet its design potential which gives us another reason why China wants Russian Su-35's thrust vectoring engines.There are two variants - the standard variant and the J-16D, the electronic warfare variant. It has wingtip pods resembling the AN/ALQ-218, up to ten fuselage and wing hardpoints, and no IRST or 30 mm cannon. It reportedly made its first flight in December 2015.

Armament

• 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds
• Munitions on twelve external hardpoints, including:

• 8 × PL-12, and 4 × PL-9 air-to-air missiles
• Various bombs and rockets including BeiDou satellite-guided bombs and laser-guided bombs
• Anti-ship and anti-radiation missiles
• Electronic countermeasure (ECM) pods

Kira.

 

[rome333]

Is not SU30 MK2 a dedicated Maritime Strike Fighter with increased payload? If so then are not we suppossed to get SU30 MKK like the Chinese, for our Airforce? Rather than SU30 MK2 for all!

 

[Russell]

Anything that is 'long range' is a waste of money in my estimation - our size, doctrine and posture makes it redundant.

20-25 years down the line...who knows....but, at the moment...nah.

 

[~Phoenix~]

You are planning to have a fighter squadron in your Naval Air arm ?

Yes.3 squadrons are planned.
Spoiler : Its most probably FC-01.





If China is unwilling to sell J-16s,we still have J-15.

The Shenyang J-15 "Flying Shark" is developed from Su-33 ( the main body structure ) and J-10B ( Nose,Engines,Avoinics,Arament ) for its carrier Liaoning,and the another much larger carrier which is under construction.( Yes,the J-31 would be in that as well as the J-15 )
Apart from those,China is developing a newer and stronger variant of J-15 "Flying Shark" which has AESA ( Active Electronic Scanned Array ) radar and rivals the F/A-18 in terms of technology,arament and capabilities.Also,they are planning to upgrade existing J-15s to that level.( We can go for this variant )

Armament

• 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds
• Munitions on twelve external hardpoints, including:

• 8 × PL-12 or R-77, and 4 × PL-9 or R-73 air-to-air missiles
• Various bombs and rockets
• Anti ship and anti radiation missiles.
• Electronic countermeasure (ECM) pods

We can stick with a few squadrons of Su-30s or MiG-29s or J-10s for now,but 2025 onwards we need a 5th Generation bird.
The only one possible for our budget is the Shenyang J-31 "Falcon Hawk" which is equivalent to the F-35 except it does not have VTOL capability.

The J-31 Gyr Falcon/ Falcon Hawk may have lost to the J-20 for the PLAAF role,but it still has huge potential for export,and carrier based fighter.Its more like a copy-paste of F-35 with some modifications ( remember the F-35 technology theft? ).Its the most cost economical stealth fighter as well as being a very effective one.
Pakistan expressed interest in that,as well as Ukarine and Iran.

J-31 incorporates certain stealth characters such as forward swept intake ramps with divertless supersonic inlets ( known as DSI ) bumps and a two-piece canopy.

Airframe
The J-31 is smaller than the Chengdu J-20. The use of twin-wheel nose landing gear led to speculations that the J-31 may intended to be a carrier based fighter.Many US key personnel have cited several improvements to the F-35C design files the Chinese may have acquired in the J-31.Like the F-35, the J-31 has two internal weapons bays that can each carry two medium range missiles, along with two heavy hardpoints and one light hardpoint on each wing, but while it seems to have added an additional light hardpoint to each wing over the capacity of the F-35, it seems to lack the capacity of the F-35 to mount a centerline gunnery or jamming pod.

Official from AVIC claimed that additive manufacturing was extensively used on the aircraft, resulting in 50% reduction in components compared to similar aircraft. However, the resulting airframe cannot be disassembled, and the static test frame had to be transported in whole as consequence.

Engines
According to Vladimir Barkovsky of Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (formerly known as the Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau), the engines on the prototype aircraft are RD-93s.However, China already has an engine similar to the RD-93, the Guizhou WS-19 currently installed on the JF-17/FC-01 which has the same thrust and size of the Russian RD-93. China is working on an improved variant named WS-13E with 100KN of thrust for use on the J-31. Lin Zuoming, chairman of China's AVIC has said that he hopes to put domestic engines on the fighter.As the Chinese build up confidence in newer, more reliable and powerful domestic engines, they may be able to power the J-31 sooner than the larger J-20 and in greater numbers.

Payload
The J-31 can carry 8000 kg (17637 lb) of payload, with four munitions totaling 2000 kg (4409 lb) internally, and 6000 kg (13228 lb) carried on six external hardpoints; primary armaments include the PL-9 short-range missile and SD-10 medium range air to air missile. It has a combat radius of 648 nmi (746 mi; 1,200 km) and a maximum take-off weight of 25,000 kg (55,000 lb).

Stealth
The J-31 is speculated to use stealth coatings instead of "baked in" fiber-mat stealth.AVIC claimed the aircraft to be stealthy against L-band and Ku-band radars, and would be low-observable against a number of multi-spectrum sensors.


Avionics

• Distributed aperture system (DAS) optical early-warning system
• Electro-optical targeting system (EOTS)

General characteristics

• Crew: one (pilot)
• Length: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in)
• Wingspan: 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in)
• Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
• Wing area: 40 m2 (430 sq ft)
• Max takeoff weight: 28,000 kg (61,729 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × RD-93 afterburning turbofans,85 kN (19,000 lbf) thrust each
• Powerplant: 2 × WS-13 afterburning turbofans (projected upgrade)
• Maximum speed: 2,200 km/h (1,367 mph; 1,188 kn)
• Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
• Combat range: 1,250 km (777 mi; 675 nmi) on internal fuel, or 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) with external tanks

Armament -

• Hardpoints: 6 x external, and internal bay with a capacity of Up to 8,000 kilograms (18,000 lb), including including 2,000 kilograms (4,400 lb) internally.
• Missiles:
  • Air-to-air missiles:
    • 12 x medium-range
  • Air-to-ground missiles:
    • 8 x supersonic
• Bombs:
  • 8 × 500 kg deep-penetration bombs
  • 30 x smaller bombs

Armament sounds impressive?
Kira.

 

[Arthur]

Is not SU30 MK2 a dedicated Maritime Strike Fighter with increased payload? If so then are not we suppossed to get SU30 MKK like the Chinese, for our Airforce? Rather than SU30 MK2 for all!

It's MKK for BAF I believe. Mk2 for BN.

 

[bdslph]

we will be need to choose one mkk or sm or mk2
j11 and j15 is a local produce of su27 and su33 i dont know if russia will alow sale to 3rd party

 

[bdslph]

Xian JH-7 Fighter Bomber Aircraft or FBC 1A, China

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/xianjh7fighterbomber/


as china gives as to upgrade or put what we want this will become deadly i guess

 

[damiendehorn]

Bangladesh has few realistic options:

a) Mig 29 (both new or/and second hand)
b) Mig 35
c) J17
d) J10b (J10a are no longer in production)
e) Su 30
f) LCA
h) J31

Of these the front runners are either the Su30 or Mig29/35 or J10b. J17 has pakistani connection so politically is not an option, the LCA is indian so militarily is not an option....J31 still has at least another 5-10 years to mature even if it reaches the production stage.