Bangladesh Air Force

[tntcfive]

Really? please share more ... does BD even produce a simple missile even under license?

Really? please share more ... does BD even produce a simple missile even under license?

sorry for early missed post.well bd producing c-704 and c-802.

 

[Zarvan]

sorry for early missed post.well bd producing c-704 and c-802.

Well than that is good but BAF needs lot more latest Fighter Jets in there Air Force

 

[tntcfive]

in coming years u will find bd air force is one of the best as we have plan to procure both su-30 and j-10 as for that we ordered both yak-130 and k-8.

 

[bdslph]

if not in 2014 by 2015 we will know what fighter jet we will buy confirm one if

 

[Bilal9]

That was a genuine question..

We all know very well that defense matters like this will not be divulged to people who do not have a 'need to know'.

So details will not be forthcoming as soon as we think. However I'm pretty sure @iajdani has his reliable sources. If the BAF wants to get into license-building a trainer aircraft that certainly is not outside their budget and capability.

I mean - come on. People build these things in their garages in the US. A proper (modern) trainer aircraft is just a few notches above this level of difficulty (light aircraft). The Musshaq program was started some two or three decades ago. How difficult could this be? And the engine (Lycoming or Rotax or Chinese copy) is always sourced overseas.

Bangladesh has not attempted such things because the size of our Air Force was much smaller and it was cheaper to import. However there has to be some replacement to the Nanchang CJ-6 and it will be cheaper to assemble locally at least. That will be a good start.

Says here - that the Govt. set up Bangabandhu Aeronautical Centre at Kurmitola Air Force Base. This is from 2011.

BAF inducts FM-90 missile system - Airforce Technology

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We all know very well that defense matters like this will not be divulged to people who do not have a 'need to know'.

So details will not be forthcoming as soon as we think. However I'm pretty sure @iajdani has his reliable sources. If the BAF wants to get into license-building a trainer aircraft that certainly is not outside their budget and capability.

I mean - come on. People build these things in their garages in the US. A proper (modern) trainer aircraft is just a few notches above this level of difficulty (light aircraft). The Musshaq program was started some two or three decades ago. How difficult could this be? And the engine (Lycoming or Rotax or Chinese copy) is always sourced overseas.

Bangladesh has not attempted such things because the size of our Air Force was much smaller and it was cheaper to import. However there has to be some replacement to the Nanchang CJ-6 and it will be cheaper to assemble locally at least. That will be a good start.

Says here - that the Govt. set up Bangabandhu Aeronautical Centre at Kurmitola Air Force Base. This is from 2011.

BAF inducts FM-90 missile system - Airforce Technology

Your neighbours are also trying... despite the budget ... they have yet to succeed... as for Mushak... yes but the newer Super Mushak is another animal... its bigger,more manevurable... has sophisticated indigenous systems no wonder we have sold dozens.. just this year PAC signed a deal worth 200 million with Iraqis to supply 20 SMs and training for Iraqi Air Force.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Your neighbours are also trying... despite the budget ... they have yet to succeed... as for Mushak... yes but the newer Super Mushak is another animal... its bigger,more manevurable... has sophisticated indigenous systems no wonder we have sold dozens.. just this year PAC signed a deal worth 200 million with Iraqis to supply 20 SMs and training for Iraqi Air Force.

Honest question he Mushak/S.Mushak are more comfortable, easy to fly and fairly more modern than CJ-6 and types of basic trainers, wonder why BAF is sticking to PT-6, CJ6 ordered or firm plans to order?.

 

[Bilal9]

Honest question he Mushak/S.Mushak are more comfortable, easy to fly and fairly more modern than CJ-6 and types of basic trainers, wonder why BAF is sticking to PT-6, CJ6 ordered or firm plans to order?.

OK - let's review Bangladesh' defence purchases for the year 2012-2013 (from a reliable source):

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Army: Automatic Grenade Launchers - Unknown , 18 Self Propelled Gun - Nora B-52/K1, Anti Tank Guided weapon - Metis M & Kornet E, Weapon location Radar (WLR) - Unknown, Tank - MBT2000

Navy: 2 Frigates - Jiangwei II, 2 Submarines, Cutter - Hamilton class / USCG, 2 Maritime Patrol Aircraft - RUAG Dornier Do. 228NG

Air force: 16 Multirole Fighters - F-7BGI, 16 Multirole Fighter Aircraft - MiG-29SMT, 16 Advanced Jet Trainer - Yak-130, 16 Basic Turoprop Trainers - Yak-152, 3 Medium Helicopters - Mi-171Sh, 2 3D Radar - YLC-2

Apparently the MBT-2000 deal included an overhaul and spare part manufacturing factory, this sort of explains the high price of the deal.
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Mind you this is just for that year - for the year 2013-14 there will be other air force items but not that extensive.

As you can see the Yak-152/CJ-7/Hongdu L-7 is being used to replace the CJ-6/PT6. I think these will serve us well. If we decide to manufacture parts - that will be easier as well, being an aircraft powered by a rotary piston engine .

L-7 early market price is at between 200,000 to 260,000 U.S. dollars (about 2 million yuan plus). Which is far more economical than any western model (like the PC-7 inducted into the IAF) and by dint of being a tandem cockpit, a better trainer for transitioning into a jet tandem trainer cockpit like the FT-7 or Yak 130 in BAF inventory. The engine is well proven in russian and chinese service and is as reliable as an anvil.

CJ -7 (Yak -152K) is a solitary monoplane design that includes:

• Conventional pneumatic controls
• Low-wing, retractable tricycle landing gear design
• Fuselage is an all-metal semi-monocoque structure
• The structure of the wing is all metal with an asymmetric airfoil
• Cockpit sealed but not airtight, there are extravehicular air ventilation and heating devices
• The steering system is mechanical
• Brake mode is using pneumatic-assisted handbrake
• Fuel supplied using pressure and gravity refueling in dual redundant mode
• Service life is estimated to be 10,000 flight hours, good for 30 years;
• Can use undeveloped grass landing strips as well as runways
• Cascade tandem two-seater layout with Russian SKS-94M ejection seat installed
• Anti-G system options
• Single piece acrylic windshield
• Duplex manipulation, heating ventilation canopy demisting.
• Rear seat space includes space for 20 kg of luggage
• Cockpit is electronic
• Mechanical steering system

In the 2010 Zhuhai Airshow, promotional materials show that the Hongdu Group CJ -7 also offered an option of a 360-horsepower (268 kilowatts) fan-cooled four-stroke gasoline engine. Some initial models of the Yak -152 debuted with a 360-horsepower M-14X engine however (rotary engine in image above). There are reports that a Romanian CJ -7 maidened its prototype aircraft equipped with a piston-6. Previously there were rumors, that CJ -7 could also be fitted the ubiquitous M601F turboprop engine (used in various Eastern Europe and Chinese aircraft with take-off power of 777 horsepower or 580 kilowatts and a maximum cruise power of 670 horsepower or 500 kilowatts). The propeller selection includes a domestic trifoil propeller of Chinese origin. However the M 601F turboprop engine will need a variable pitch air-screw of four or five blades to improve performance and use the additional power wisely.

I cannot confirm which engine the Bangladeshi Yak-152's will be supplied with.

 

[Zarvan]

OK - let's review Bangladesh' defence purchases for the year 2012-2013 (from a reliable source):

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Army: Automatic Grenade Launchers - Unknown , 18 Self Propelled Gun - Nora B-52/K1, Anti Tank Guided weapon - Metis M & Kornet E, Weapon location Radar (WLR) - Unknown, Tank - MBT2000

Navy: 2 Frigates - Jiangwei I, 2 Submarine - Unknown , Cutter - Hamilton class / USCG Dallas, 2 Maritime Patrol Aircraft - RUAG Dornier Do. 228NG

Air force: 16 Multirole Fighters - F-7BGI, 16 Multirole Fighter Aircraft - Su-30MK2/MiG-29SMT), 16 Advanced Jet Trainer - Yak-130, 16 Basic Turoprop Trainers - Yak-152, 3 Medium Helicopters - Mi-171Sh, 2 3D Radar - YLC-2

Apparently the MBT-2000 deal included an overhaul and spare part manufacturing factory, this sort of explains the high price of the deal.
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Mind you this is just for that year - for the year 2013-14 there will be other air force items but not that extensive.

As you can see the Yak-152/CJ-7/Hongdu L-7 is being used to replace the CJ-6/PT6. I think these will serve us well. If we decide to manufacture parts - that will be easier as well, being an aircraft powered by a rotary piston engine .

L-7 early market price is at between 200,000 to 260,000 U.S. dollars (about 2 million yuan plus). Which is far more economical than any western model and by dint of being a tandem cockpit, a better trainer for transitioning into a jet tandem trainer cockpit like the FT-7 or Yak 130 in BAF inventory. The engine is well proven in russian and chinese service and is as reliable as an anvil.

CJ -7 (Yak -152K) is a solitary monoplane design that includes:

• Conventional pneumatic controls
• Low-wing, retractable tricycle landing gear design
• Fuselage is an all-metal semi-monocoque structure
• The structure of the wing is all metal with an asymmetric airfoil
• Cockpit sealed but not airtight, there are extravehicular air ventilation and heating devices
• The steering system is mechanical
• Brake mode is using pneumatic-assisted handbrake
• Fuel supplied using pressure and gravity refueling in dual redundant mode
• Service life is estimated to be 10,000 flight hours, good for 30 years;
• Can use undeveloped grass landing strips as well as runways
• Cascade tandem two-seater layout with Russian SKS-94M ejection seat installed
• Anti-G system options
• Single piece acrylic windshield
• Duplex manipulation, heating ventilation canopy demisting.
• Rear seat space includes space for 20 kg of luggage
• Cockpit is electronic
• Mechanical steering system

In the 2010 Zhuhai Airshow, promotional materials show that the Hongdu Group CJ -7 also offered an option of a 360-horsepower (268 kilowatts) fan-cooled four-stroke gasoline engine. Some initial models of the Yak -152 debuted with a 360-horsepower M-14X engine however (rotary engine in image above). There are reports that a Romanian CJ -7 maidened its prototype aircraft equipped with a piston-6. Previously there were rumors, that CJ -7 could also be fitted the ubiquitous M601F turboprop engine (used in various Eastern Europe and Chinese aircraft with take-off power of 777 horsepower or 580 kilowatts and a maximum cruise power of 670 horsepower or 500 kilowatts). The propeller selection includes a domestic trifoil propeller of Chinese origin. However the M 601F turboprop engine will need a variable pitch air-screw of four or five blades to improve performance and use the additional power wisely.

I cannot confirm which engine the Bangladeshi Yak-152's will be supplied with.

You haven't bought SU-30

 

[Bilal9]

You haven't bought SU-30

I know - I corrected that part. The report is from two years ago and not all accurate. But most of the items have been confirmed so far.

 

[Nike]

I know - I corrected that part. The report is from two years ago and not all accurate. But most of the items have been confirmed so far.

then it's more like the list of stuffs you want to buy for one phase of modernization programme

 

[Luftwaffe]

CJ-7 very awkward type of aircraft.

The Serbian UTVA LASTA 95 is interesting.

 

[Bilal9]

CJ-7 very awkward type of aircraft.

The Serbian UTVA LASTA 95 is interesting.

That aircraft has nice classic lines. But the 'mother' of all advanced turboprop trainer aircraft is the turboprop powered Super Tucano (EMB 314). In fact there should have been five contenders for this advanced prop trainer slash COIN role. And they appear below. Only two are made in the west, one in the good old US of A and the other in Switzerland (Beechcraft/Raytheon AT-6 and Pilatus PC-7). Both get disqualified because they are old designs and cost too much. So that leaves the Super Tucano (Brazilian), the KAI KT-1 Woongbi (Korean) and the TAI Hurkus (Turkey) in the running. My personal choice would have been the Super Tucano as it is heavily modernized and derived from the excellent EMB-312 Tucano assembled in the UK and used by the Royal Air Force. The Super Tucano can carry and launch AIM-7 sparrow missiles (or Chinese copies) and of course rocket pods. Here's an article,

Super Tucano leads the flock | Asian Defence News Articles | Defence Review Asia

Super Tucano (2 images)

KAI KT-1 Woongbi

TAI Hurkus

Pilatus PC-7 Mk-II (India)

Hawker Beechcraft T-6A Texan II (IRAQ)

But once you come down to ground reality - these sexy turboprops are not really appropriate for a CJ-6 replacement in Bangladesh. We won't really need a serious COIN capability unless things flair up with Myanmar and we try jungle bombing in the Chittagong hill tracts. The low-maintenance cheap and reliable CJ-7 is however perfect. In spite of it's short-throw tail-moment and oddball proportions.

Back in the day the grand daddy of the Yak-152 (Russian version for Hongdu CJ-7), which was Yak-55 was so profitable for Yak that this 60 year old design (complete with rotary engine Vedeneyev M14) was put back into series production at Yak in the 80's and 90's as an aerobatic aircraft with high demand in US and Europe. But unlike the Yak 55, the Yak 152 is a far more modern and easier to handle design, yet retaining all the aerobatic prowess of its predecessor. Here's a Yak 55 image for comparison.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

That aircraft has nice classic lines. But the 'mother' of all advanced turboprop trainer aircraft is the turboprop powered Super Tucano (EMB 314). In fact there should have been five contenders for this advanced prop trainer slash COIN role. And they appear below. Only two are made in the west, one in the good old US of A and the other in Switzerland (Beechcraft/Raytheon AT-6 and Pilatus PC-7). Both get disqualified because they are old designs and cost too much. So that leaves the Super Tucano (Brazilian), the KAI KT-1 Woongbi (Korean) and the TAI Hurkus (Turkey) in the running. My personal choice would have been the Super Tucano as it is heavily modernized and derived from the excellent EMB-312 Tucano assembled in the UK and used by the Royal Air Force. The Super Tucano can carry and launch AIM-7 sparrow missiles (or Chinese copies) and of course rocket pods. Here's an article,

Super Tucano leads the flock | Asian Defence News Articles | Defence Review Asia

Super Tucano (2 images)

KAI KT-1 Woongbi

TAI Hurkus

Pilatus PC-7 Mk-II (India)

Hawker Beechcraft T-6A Texan II (IRAQ)

But once you come down to ground reality - these sexy turboprops are not really appropriate for a CJ-6 replacement in Bangladesh. We won't really need a serious COIN capability unless things flair up with Myanmar and we try jungle bombing in the Chittagong hill tracts. The low-maintenance cheap and reliable CJ-7 is however perfect. In spite of it's short-throw tail-moment and oddball proportions.

Back in the day the grand daddy of the Yak-152 (Russian version for Hongdu CJ-7), which was Yak-55 was so profitable for Yak that this 60 year old design (complete with rotary engine Vedeneyev M14) was put back into series production at Yak in the 80's and 90's as an aerobatic aircraft with high demand in US and Europe. But unlike the Yak 55, the Yak 152 is a far more modern and easier to handle design, yet retaining all the aerobatic prowess of its predecessor. Here's a Yak 55 image for comparison.

AIM-7 or AIM-9 ?

 

[Bilal9]

AIM-7 or AIM-9 ?

My apologies - the AIM-9 ('L' version to be exact). the Super Tucano can also carry the Brazilian replacement for the AIM-9, the MAA-1B Piranha which is a Brazilian 4th generation air to air missile produced by Mectron Brazil.The project is at final stage of development under qualification phase with over 40 guided flights completed by April 2012. Production was expected to begin in 2013.

The missile is fitted with a dual-color seeker, featuring 70-degree look angle with 40-degrees per second track rate, and a greater range of 50%, as well as greater maneuverability achieved by changing the aerodynamics of the flight controls of the original missile. The MAA-1B is capable of being appointed by the aircraft's radar or the HMD helmet.

Item 171 in the diagram above (please click and enlarge)