Bangladesh Air Force

[bluesky]

Brace for prolonged thumbtwiddle on determining F-7 replacements.

So, in your opinion, BAF wants not to increase its fleet but wants to replace the F-7s which are newer than PAF's F-7PG and IAF's Mig-21, the predecessor of F-7.

I have never read any BAF statement like that to support your opinion. Did I miss something? Please give me the link.

 

[Destranator]

So, in your opinion, BAF wants not to increase its fleet but wants to replace the F-7s which are newer than PAF's F-7PG and IAF's Mig-21, the predecessor of F-7.

I have never read any BAF statement like that to support your opinion. Did I miss something? Please give me the link.

You are fogetting F-7MB's - been in service since 1989. You also need to plan ahead on eventually replacing BG's and then BGI's as it takes time to manufacture and deliver aircraft. All F-7's are third generation junks.

Expansion of fleet is a separate (nonetheless necessary) exercise.

 

[bluesky]

You are fogetting F-7MB's - been in service since 1989. You also need to plan ahead on eventually replacing BG's and then BGI's as it takes time to manufacture and deliver aircraft. All F-7's are third generation junks.

Expansion of fleet is a separate (nonetheless necessary) exercise.

Not forgetting, but your assertion of discontinuing also other expensive F-7 planes is too early. Say the same 10 years after the new MRCAs are inducted.

However, not a single plane so many years after the induction of F-7BG and you are so ready to send them to the junkyard.

PAF and IAF guys will be smiling at this thought. After all, BD is a $500 billion GDP by BAL propaganda!!

 

[Destranator]

Not forgetting, but your assertion of discontinuing also other expensive F-7 planes is too early. Say the same 10 years after the new MRCAs are inducted.

However, not a single plane so many years after the induction of F-7BG and you are so ready to send them to the junkyard.

PAF and IAF guys will be smiling at this thought. After all, BD is a $500 billion GDP by BAL propaganda!!

As I said:
1. Replacement will be gradual
2. It takes years to manufacture new aircraft

Don't worry, BAF will thumbtwiddle long enough for half the BG's to fall off the sky.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

BUY SOMETHING ! ANYTHING !

 

[bluesky]

As I said:
1. Replacement will be gradual
2. It takes years to manufacture new aircraft

Don't worry, BAF will thumbtwiddle long enough for half the BG's to fall off the sky.

By the way, answer me two questions:

1) When BAF will induct new planes?
2) And where does the BAF want to keep the new planes? I do not see any news of the new BAF airfields.

It means there will be no new purchasing of MRCAs.

 

[Destranator]

By the way, answer me two questions:

1) When BAF will induct new planes?
2) And where does the BAF want to keep the new planes? I do not see any news of the new BAF airfields.

It means there will be no new purchasing of MRCAs.

1. Why do you think I keep referring to "thumbtwiddling" of BAF?

2. I support creation of many airfields for redundancy but this is not stopping fighter procurement as there is plenty of room in existing airfields. The problem is spinelessness of BAF and politicians.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Govt wants to build air force like developed countries: PM Hasina
BSS
Dhaka
Published: 30 Dec 2021, 09:01

Prime minister Sheikh Hasina on Wednesday expressed her government's keen interest to make the air force more advanced like the developed countries, saying the ultra-modern fighter planes, air defence radar and missile were already inducted to the force to turn the desire into reality.
"We have already incorporated ultra-modern fighter planes, air defence radar, missile and necessary equipment to Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) alongside setting up new ghatis (wings), units and training institute ---we want to build the air force like developed countries," she said.
The prime minister said this while addressing as the chief guest the "President Parade (Winter)-2021" of the Bangladesh Air Force Academy, joining virtually from Ganobhaban her official residence
The BAF is going to get various modern planes, high-performance air defence radar, simulator, ATS simulator, laser guided bomb and anti-ship missile which will multiply its capacity, she said.
The prime minister called upon the fresh cadets to be prepared in such a way keeping in mind the Father of the Nation's ideals as they can play an active role in fulfilling the country's expectations by serving the nation.
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She hoped that the fresher would march the force ahead by using their talent, professionalism and patriotism from the current position that was achieved by your predecessors' far-sightedness, professionalism and hard work.
The prime minister greeted the new cadets as they are going to join the air force upon completion of their three years training.
She asked the cadets to always love the country and its people and perform the responsibilities bestowed on them with sincerity and honesty.
"Protect the independence and sovereignty of the country that were shouldered upon you after taking the oath," she added.
Highlighting her government's various measures taken for the overall development of the air force, the premier said they have purchased the fourth generation MIG-29 and C-130 and high performance air protection radar alongside infrastructure development coming to power in 1996 after 21 years.
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Describing the armed forces as the symbol of country's independence and sovereignty, Sheikh Hasina said her government has been implementing the "Forces Goal-2030" to build a developed and professional force.
The "Forces Goal-2030" was formulated in line with the Defence Policy of 1974 adopted by Father of the Nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, she said.
Sheikh Hasina further said that they have established Bangabandhu Aeronautical Centre to ensure safe and affordable management and overhauling of the planes, radars and military equipment.
She said that Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman Aviation and Aerospace University was established to ensure overall development of the air force and make time-worthy the civil aviation sector.
The prime minister said, "InshaAllah, we will once attain ability in building planes, helicopters and fighter planes with the knowledge to be obtained through research from the university."
Her government has always attached priority on conducting research regarding space, she said.














She also said her government has added ultra-modern fly-by-wire, digital cockpit based YAK-130 combat trainer, K-8W Z trainer, L-410 transport trainer, AW-119KX helicopter trainer and various simulators to the air force to ensure a developed and time-befitting flying training for its future generation cadets.
Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Shaikh Abdul Hannan later gave a vote of thanks to the prime minister for joining the programme.
He, on behalf of the premier, earlier handed over the 'Sword of Honour' 'Chief of Air Staff Trophy' 'Commandants Trophy' and other prizes among the best cadets.
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looks like we will be flying those museum pieces for the next century, since we already have ''ultra-modern'' fighters.

 

[Avicenna]

Govt wants to build air force like developed countries: PM Hasina
BSS
Dhaka
Published: 30 Dec 2021, 09:01

Prime minister Sheikh Hasina on Wednesday expressed her government's keen interest to make the air force more advanced like the developed countries, saying the ultra-modern fighter planes, air defence radar and missile were already inducted to the force to turn the desire into reality.
"We have already incorporated ultra-modern fighter planes, air defence radar, missile and necessary equipment to Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) alongside setting up new ghatis (wings), units and training institute ---we want to build the air force like developed countries," she said.
The prime minister said this while addressing as the chief guest the "President Parade (Winter)-2021" of the Bangladesh Air Force Academy, joining virtually from Ganobhaban her official residence
The BAF is going to get various modern planes, high-performance air defence radar, simulator, ATS simulator, laser guided bomb and anti-ship missile which will multiply its capacity, she said.
The prime minister called upon the fresh cadets to be prepared in such a way keeping in mind the Father of the Nation's ideals as they can play an active role in fulfilling the country's expectations by serving the nation.
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She hoped that the fresher would march the force ahead by using their talent, professionalism and patriotism from the current position that was achieved by your predecessors' far-sightedness, professionalism and hard work.
The prime minister greeted the new cadets as they are going to join the air force upon completion of their three years training.
She asked the cadets to always love the country and its people and perform the responsibilities bestowed on them with sincerity and honesty.
"Protect the independence and sovereignty of the country that were shouldered upon you after taking the oath," she added.
Highlighting her government's various measures taken for the overall development of the air force, the premier said they have purchased the fourth generation MIG-29 and C-130 and high performance air protection radar alongside infrastructure development coming to power in 1996 after 21 years.
Advertisement

Describing the armed forces as the symbol of country's independence and sovereignty, Sheikh Hasina said her government has been implementing the "Forces Goal-2030" to build a developed and professional force.
The "Forces Goal-2030" was formulated in line with the Defence Policy of 1974 adopted by Father of the Nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, she said.
Sheikh Hasina further said that they have established Bangabandhu Aeronautical Centre to ensure safe and affordable management and overhauling of the planes, radars and military equipment.
She said that Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman Aviation and Aerospace University was established to ensure overall development of the air force and make time-worthy the civil aviation sector.
The prime minister said, "InshaAllah, we will once attain ability in building planes, helicopters and fighter planes with the knowledge to be obtained through research from the university."
Her government has always attached priority on conducting research regarding space, she said.














She also said her government has added ultra-modern fly-by-wire, digital cockpit based YAK-130 combat trainer, K-8W Z trainer, L-410 transport trainer, AW-119KX helicopter trainer and various simulators to the air force to ensure a developed and time-befitting flying training for its future generation cadets.
Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Shaikh Abdul Hannan later gave a vote of thanks to the prime minister for joining the programme.
He, on behalf of the premier, earlier handed over the 'Sword of Honour' 'Chief of Air Staff Trophy' 'Commandants Trophy' and other prizes among the best cadets.
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looks like we will be flying those museum pieces for the next century, since we already have ''ultra-modern'' fighters.

BAF and Government of Bangladesh.

Have some shame.

Your addition.

Note the name even.

And then note below.

This is a REAL air force.

 

[Destranator]

Govt wants to build air force like developed countries: PM Hasina

Yes, our air force will soon rival Monaco's.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Govt wants to build air force like developed countries

spend some money then !

BAF and Government of Bangladesh.

its the civilian leadership which is not willing to allocate funds. This isnt BAF's fault

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Yes, our air force will soon rival Monaco's.

this isnt even funny anymore
PM hopes Bangladesh will produce aircraft, helicopters some day | The Daily Star
> spend the next ~20 years developing or license manufacturing (need to setup industrial base first which will take time).
> limited production run of said aircraft which isnt enough to justify the license manufacture and or research cost
> no export success because all the big boys have been making jets for well over a century
> Decades old design no longer relevant in modern warfare (i am certain they will not pick a design which is futureproof)
> money ? in some canadian bank
> national security ? hotel trivago , i caqnt fing do this anymore

 

[Destranator]

spend some money then !

its the civilian leadership which is not willing to allocate funds. This isnt BAF's fault

It is not about money. In the absence of a dedicated Defence Minister and Joint Chief, their is no one other than BAF leadership who can emphasise on the criticality of credible air power for overall defence. Our ministers and bureaucrats do not understand concepts such as BVR, Network Centric Warfare, AESA, etc. All they see is sexy looking Fulcrums carry out high G manoeuvres and assume our air force is "good enough".

It is the job of BAF to convince the govt by selecting a fighter jet which check all boxes and presenting a comprehensive threat asessment to the cabinet and bureaucracy to make them realise the urgency and deficiencies. The government has many many different spending priorities. As they don't get poked enough by BAF, they assume BAF is doing just fine with the current rate of progress. Their is no public pressure either as most Bangladeshis have zero clue about air defence.

The other two services do their part just fine. Personnel of these two services also acknowledge what a joke BAF is as an organisation.

Where do you think Hasina gets her fluffy talking points about manufacturing fighters and helicopters without any clear road map? These are being fed by BAF.
If BAF faggots had any shame, you would see their leaders resign en masse but no. They just love the perks. BAF's Marshals are the most undeserving of their ranks on this planet.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

It is not about money. In the absence of a dedicated Defence Minister and Joint Chief, their is no one other than BAF leadership who can emphasise on the criticality of credible air power for overall defence. Our ministers and bureaucrats do not understand concepts such as BVR, Network Centric Warfare, AESA, etc. All they see is sexy looking Fulcrums carry out high G manoeuvres and assume our air force is "good enough".

It is the job of BAF to convince the govt by selecting a fighter jet which check all boxes and presenting a comprehensive threat asessment to the cabinet and bureaucracy to make them realise the urgency and deficiencies. The government has many many different spending priorities. As they don't get poked enough by BAF, they assume BAF is doing just fine with the current rate of progress. Their is no public pressure either as most Bangladeshis have zero clue about air defence.

The other two services do their part just fine. Personnel of these two services also acknowledge what a joke BAF is as an organisation.

Where do you think Hasina gets her fluffy talking points about manufacturing fighters and helicopters without any clear road map? These are being fed by BAF.
If BAF faggots had any shame, you would see their leaders resign en masse but no. They just love the perks. BAF's Marshals are the most undeserving of their ranks on this planet.

Evrything can be solved with enough money. BAF modernisation will cost more than the other two branches. The civilians dont want to spend much (if any) on new stuff for BAF. Hence all the (apparent) inertia and decision paralysis. BAF can finalise everything down to the menu that the BAF airmen will have (as part of MRCA package) on foreign airbase but it doesn't make any difference if the gov doesn't put its money where its mouth is.
Remember all of this is not public , so we are all here speculating. maybe the BAF had selected everything and went with an informal proposal but it was shot down.
So maybe it would have made things easier if they made some things public (why so tight lipped?)

Also look at the time wasted and national security jeopardised and the result.

 

[Destranator]

Evrything can be solved with enough money. BAF modernisation will cost more than the other two branches. The civilians dont want to spend much (if any) on new stuff for BAF. Hence all the (apparent) inertia and decision paralysis. BAF can finalise everything down to the menu that the BAF airmen will have (as part of MRCA package) on foreign airbase but it doesn't make any difference if the gov doesn't put its money where its mouth is.
Remember all of this is not public , so we are all here speculating. maybe the BAF had selected everything and went with an informal proposal but it was shot down.
So maybe it would have made things easier if they made some things public (why so tight lipped?)

Also look at the time wasted and national security jeopardised and the result.

Agree except that I am not "speculating" about BAF's organisational issues and lacklustre efforts to convince the govt re: MRCA's. Unfortunately this is not something I can prove with a link.