Bangladesh Air Force

[araberuni7]

Off the shelf Gripen cost $85m 16x $85m =$1.3B aprox. Armaments +training +Giraffe Radar for comms+support +Infrastructure would cost additional $700m. But it is worthwhile. Placing 24 order may give us better deal.
Why Gripen is called Smart Fighter.
Gripen is a multi-role and a swing-role fighter.
One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto target’s track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Russian and Chinese Fighters dont do that.

Gripen's engine doesnt bleed energy while an angular maneuver but Russian Engines do bleed energy.
Plus Meteor AMRAAM which the most advanced AAM currently available in market.
Plus IRIS-T SRAAM, GBU, Storm Shadow and RBS-15.
Nice dream!
I still believe BAF chief is an idiotic A hole.

 

[TopCat]

Off the shelf Gripen cost $85m 16x $85m =$1.3B aprox. Armaments +training +Giraffe Radar for comms+support +Infrastructure would cost additional $700m. But it is worthwhile. Placing 24 order may give us better deal.
Why Gripen is called Smart Fighter.
Gripen is a multi-role and a swing-role fighter.
One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto target’s track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Russian and Chinese Fighters dont do that.

Gripen's engine doesnt bleed energy while an angular maneuver but Russian Engines do bleed energy.
Plus Meteor AMRAAM which the most advanced AAM currently available in market.
Plus IRIS-T SRAAM, GBU, Storm Shadow and RBS-15.
Nice dream!
I still believe BAF chief is an idiotic A hole.

Gripen is a great fighter, even can kill 4 SU-30 in one shot.. yet it does not provided deterrence. We need more in deterrence than actual fighting capability. Buying a fighter from a nuclear armed nation itself is a big deterrence which implies political alignment.

 

[araberuni7]

Gripen is a great fighter, even can kill 4 SU-30 in one shot.. yet it does not provided deterrence. We need more in deterrence than actual fighting capability. Buying a fighter from a nuclear armed nation itself is a big deterrence which implies political alignment.

That's a good point indeed. However none of us are running the organisation. Its been run by a fatty.
BTW RTAF bought 12 Gripen C/D. RTAF Gripen C slaughtered J-11 in Chinese multinational exercise. Having Gripen E will put high pressure on MAF.

 

[Dot]

J-11 vs Gripen C
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....-first-strike-falcon-joint-military-exercise/

 

[bluesky]

Buying a fighter from a nuclear armed nation itself is a big deterrence which implies political alignment.

What big deterrence you are talking about? Did not Russia and China vetoed against Bd on Rohingya issue, although we are purchasing $12 billion worth of nuclear power stations from Russia and have purchased many sq. of Chinese fighter planes? They sell their technology only for commercial purpose and certainly do not seek any political alignment with a small, weak and non-important nation called Bangladesh. We have to understand our position vis-a-vis global politics.

 

[TopCat]

What big deterrence you are talking about? Did not Russia and China vetoed against Bd on Rohingya issue, although we are purchasing $12 billion worth of nuclear power stations from Russia and have purchased many sq. of Chinese fighter planes? They sell their technology only for commercial purpose and certainly do not seek any political alignment with a small, weak and non-important nation called Bangladesh. We have to understand our position vis-a-vis global politics.

We need to buy one of our major line of fighter from western nations. I prefer UK.
As long as you act like a meek and weak, you will be treated like meek and weak.

 

[Avicenna]

I really think Bangladesh needs REAL capability first. The Gripen will theoretically provide that in spades.

The political "deterence" factor is real. However, China is unlikely to support BD vis a vis Myanmar. They have their own interests it seems. The Russians are money whores.

Given all considerations, I truely believe Bangladesh's interests lie with the West.

Bangladesh is not some pariah state. Its a responsible member of the world community. The UN involvement alone gives it some geopolitical capital.

I say foster closer relations with the West, i.e. post Brexit UK. BUY THE GRIPEN.

This is truely a fork in the road in regards to the BAF.

BE BOLD AND BUY THE GRIPEN!

 

[Major 13625]

AFAIK a 17 member delegation team from BAF will visit Russia on march 27! And they will sign MRCA deal. Is it true?

 

[TopCat]

AFAIK a 17 member delegation team from BAF will visit Russia on march 27! And they will sign MRCA deal. Is it true?

No... if it was about tender then the deal should be signed in Dhaka. No need to go to Russia.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Off the shelf Gripen cost $85m 16x $85m =$1.3B aprox. Armaments +training +Giraffe Radar for comms+support +Infrastructure would cost additional $700m. But it is worthwhile. Placing 24 order may give us better deal.
Why Gripen is called Smart Fighter.
Gripen is a multi-role and a swing-role fighter.
One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto target’s track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Russian and Chinese Fighters dont do that.

Gripen's engine doesnt bleed energy while an angular maneuver but Russian Engines do bleed energy.
Plus Meteor AMRAAM which the most advanced AAM currently available in market.
Plus IRIS-T SRAAM, GBU, Storm Shadow and RBS-15.
Nice dream!
I still believe BAF chief is an idiotic A hole.

How do you reckon we get clearance of the engine spares and missiles from US!?

 

[Avicenna]

How do you reckon we get clearance of the engine spares and missiles from US!?

That’s a great question. At least attempt it. Political lobby. Plus this Trump administration is eager to sell.

 

[Nike]

I really think Bangladesh needs REAL capability first. The Gripen will theoretically provide that in spades.

The political "deterence" factor is real. However, China is unlikely to support BD vis a vis Myanmar. They have their own interests it seems. The Russians are money whores.

Given all considerations, I truely believe Bangladesh's interests lie with the West.

Bangladesh is not some pariah state. Its a responsible member of the world community. The UN involvement alone gives it some geopolitical capital.

I say foster closer relations with the West, i.e. post Brexit UK. BUY THE GRIPEN.

This is truely a fork in the road in regards to the BAF.

BE BOLD AND BUY THE GRIPEN!

Don't think Grippen is the best choice for Bangladesh. First, Sweden track record to always put human Rights issue for their arms transfer, recent case against Saudi Arabia is a good examples. Second, there is a need for many supplier from many countries to supply parts and tech for a single Grippen to be built well itself will cause logistic issue if you handle it carelessly albeit Saab will handle the management, just like Thailand got several parts needed for maintenance routine delayed several times and causing drop in operational readiness. Third Grippen is not all that great in raw Comparative performance , compared to other fighter out there like Su 35, F16 block 72, Eurofighter, Rafale. They said their cutting edge is in network centric performance and environment, like hell as the other fighter built after dessert storm era don't have network centric capability built in mind.

 

[araberuni7]

How do you reckon we get clearance of the engine spares and missiles from US!?

That's a high point indeed. America cleared the sale of Engines to Thailand during the time of the military coup. Besides Gripen's engines are licensed produced in Sweden by Volvo. Saab Defence has a reasonably excellent reputation with the American. This is not an issue at all. Unlike the Russian and the Chinese, Saab has an excellent after sales support record.

We worry too much about America, but in fact, America and EU are saving our *** from Myanmar.

For missiles, we use MBDA and Denel Dynamics. Also, Sweden can supply stockpiles of missiles and bombs to Bangladesh. They have done it. In fact, European countries these days do not pay much attention as long as you pay them they are happy. The UK has supplied a large number of missiles from their inventory to Saudi Arabia. We can source weapons from the UK as well. Often Sweden supply Armament with the fighter jets.
Look at the IAF Su-30MKI. Russian screwed IAF on after sales support. I doubt half the Su-30MKI would be operational. The Chinese are a bit better, but they have the same issue.
BTW Gripen E/F uses COTS for the software and electronics. These are not proprietary software. Giraffe AMB is Sweden's IP so no need to ask for permission from anybody. RBS-15 is also Saab's IP.
I know it's costly exercise but if BAF buys Gripen, then it will send a message to MAF and fear God in their heart that 16 Gripen E supported by Saab GlobalEye or Airbus AEWC can kill 31 MiG, 6 Su-30 and 12 Junk Fighter in any day or night in any weather.

Don't think Grippen is the best choice for Bangladesh. First, Sweden track record to always put human Rights issue for their arms transfer, recent case against Saudi Arabia is a good examples. Second, there is a need for many supplier from many countries to supply parts and tech for a single Grippen to be built well itself will cause logistic issue if you handle it carelessly albeit Saab will handle the management, just like Thailand got several parts needed for maintenance routine delayed several times and causing drop in operational readiness. Third Grippen is not all that great in raw Comparative performance , compared to other fighter out there like Su 35, F16 block 72, Eurofighter, Rafale. They said their cutting edge is in network centric performance and environment, like hell as the other fighter built after dessert storm era don't have network centric capability built in mind.

Woow that's a statement from someone who is not aware of recent development. Please read IAF study on Gripen E vs F-16 Block 70 (F-16V). IAF team of expert concluded that Gripen E is not only superior to F-16 Block 70 but also advanced in many ways to F/A-18 Super Hornet E/F. BVR rating of Gripen E is higher than any Russian and Chinese Fighter jet including so called Su-30MKI which is parked in their garage. This is not me saying this is an independent study by IAF.

Gripen C beat J-11A which is Su-30MKK. The Chinese pilot gobsmacked when they saw Gripen C roaring ahead of twin engines J-11A. Su-30MKK or J-11A was not a close match to C variant of Gripen. Think what E variant of Gripen would do.

Operational Environment
The one superior advantage of the Gripen is its ability to take off, fully loaded, from a runway only 2,800′ long and land in as little as 2,600′. This was a design requirement from the beginning, believing that the Swedish Air Force would have to improvise after a first strike attack against its air bases and thus force the Air Force to fly from unimproved highways and small commuter airports. This has to be an appealing feature for all its current export country customers.

The Gripen can be tasked with air dominance and area denial role, the Gripen can also perform naval denial helping to protect territorial sovereignty. Gripen is not just a multirole but a swing role meaning it can switch operational role in flight.

One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto targets track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Comparing with other Aircraft

The Gripen is now an 18 years old platform with excellent factory support. Probably on par with a Boeing F/A-18E/F super hornet model or F-15E Strike Eagle. The F-15E, Strike Eagle Model, has a full suite of electronics which earlier models did not have while the JAS39 E/F models already do.

The Gripen would over-match against advanced Chinese built J-10C and J-16 in addition to PLAAF Su-35.

The Gripen has a tighter turning radius and does not bleed off energy as quickly and thus has a speed advantage in air combat manoeuvring (ACM) against the Su-30.

V Putin and Xi can't match it.

Those who are spectics of Gripen E. Please read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ipen-F-35-competitor-takes-maiden-flight.html

 

[Avicenna]

That's a high point indeed. America cleared the sale of Engines to Thailand during the time of the military coup. Besides Gripen's engines are licensed produced in Sweden by Volvo. Saab Defence has a reasonably excellent reputation with the American. This is not an issue at all. Unlike the Russian and the Chinese, Saab has an excellent after sales support record.

We worry too much about America, but in fact, America and EU are saving our *** from Myanmar.

For missiles, we use MBDA and Denel Dynamics. Also, Sweden can supply stockpiles of missiles and bombs to Bangladesh. They have done it. In fact, European countries these days do not pay much attention as long as you pay them they are happy. The UK has supplied a large number of missiles from their inventory to Saudi Arabia. We can source weapons from the UK as well. Often Sweden supply Armament with the fighter jets.
Look at the IAF Su-30MKI. Russian screwed IAF on after sales support. I doubt half the Su-30MKI would be operational. The Chinese are a bit better, but they have the same issue.
BTW Gripen E/F uses COTS for the software and electronics. These are not proprietary software. Giraffe AMB is Sweden's IP so no need to ask for permission from anybody. RBS-15 is also Saab's IP.
I know it's costly exercise but if BAF buys Gripen, then it will send a message to MAF and fear God in their heart that 16 Gripen E supported by Saab GlobalEye or Airbus AEWC can kill 31 MiG, 6 Su-30 and 12 Junk Fighter in any day or night in any weather.



Woow that's a statement from someone who is not aware of recent development. Please read IAF study on Gripen E vs F-16 Block 70 (F-16V). IAF team of expert concluded that Gripen E is not only superior to F-16 Block 70 but also advanced in many ways to F/A-18 Super Hornet E/F. BVR rating of Gripen E is higher than any Russian and Chinese Fighter jet including so called Su-30MKI which is parked in their garage. This is not me saying this is an independent study by IAF.

Gripen C beat J-11A which is Su-30MKK. The Chinese pilot gobsmacked when they saw Gripen C roaring ahead of twin engines J-11A. Su-30MKK or J-11A was not a close match to C variant of Gripen. Think what E variant of Gripen would do.

Operational Environment
The one superior advantage of the Gripen is its ability to take off, fully loaded, from a runway only 2,800′ long and land in as little as 2,600′. This was a design requirement from the beginning, believing that the Swedish Air Force would have to improvise after a first strike attack against its air bases and thus force the Air Force to fly from unimproved highways and small commuter airports. This has to be an appealing feature for all its current export country customers.

The Gripen can be tasked with air dominance and area denial role, the Gripen can also perform naval denial helping to protect territorial sovereignty. Gripen is not just a multirole but a swing role meaning it can switch operational role in flight.

One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto targets track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Comparing with other Aircraft

The Gripen is now an 18 years old platform with excellent factory support. Probably on par with a Boeing F/A-18E/F super hornet model or F-15E Strike Eagle. The F-15E, Strike Eagle Model, has a full suite of electronics which earlier models did not have while the JAS39 E/F models already do.

The Gripen would over-match against advanced Chinese built J-10C and J-16 in addition to PLAAF Su-35.

The Gripen has a tighter turning radius and does not bleed off energy as quickly and thus has a speed advantage in air combat manoeuvring (ACM) against the Su-30.

View attachment 461187

V Putin and Xi can't match it.

Those who are spectics of Gripen E. Please read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ipen-F-35-competitor-takes-maiden-flight.html

A very excellent post!

"I know it's costly exercise but if BAF buys Gripen, then it will send a message to MAF and fear God in their heart that 16 Gripen E supported by Saab GlobalEye or Airbus AEWC can kill 31 MiG, 6 Su-30 and 12 Junk Fighter in any day or night in any weather."

Exactly the point I wanted to make.

 

[Nike]

That's a high point indeed. America cleared the sale of Engines to Thailand during the time of the military coup. Besides Gripen's engines are licensed produced in Sweden by Volvo. Saab Defence has a reasonably excellent reputation with the American. This is not an issue at all. Unlike the Russian and the Chinese, Saab has an excellent after sales support record.

We worry too much about America, but in fact, America and EU are saving our *** from Myanmar.

For missiles, we use MBDA and Denel Dynamics. Also, Sweden can supply stockpiles of missiles and bombs to Bangladesh. They have done it. In fact, European countries these days do not pay much attention as long as you pay them they are happy. The UK has supplied a large number of missiles from their inventory to Saudi Arabia. We can source weapons from the UK as well. Often Sweden supply Armament with the fighter jets.
Look at the IAF Su-30MKI. Russian screwed IAF on after sales support. I doubt half the Su-30MKI would be operational. The Chinese are a bit better, but they have the same issue.
BTW Gripen E/F uses COTS for the software and electronics. These are not proprietary software. Giraffe AMB is Sweden's IP so no need to ask for permission from anybody. RBS-15 is also Saab's IP.
I know it's costly exercise but if BAF buys Gripen, then it will send a message to MAF and fear God in their heart that 16 Gripen E supported by Saab GlobalEye or Airbus AEWC can kill 31 MiG, 6 Su-30 and 12 Junk Fighter in any day or night in any weather.



Woow that's a statement from someone who is not aware of recent development. Please read IAF study on Gripen E vs F-16 Block 70 (F-16V). IAF team of expert concluded that Gripen E is not only superior to F-16 Block 70 but also advanced in many ways to F/A-18 Super Hornet E/F. BVR rating of Gripen E is higher than any Russian and Chinese Fighter jet including so called Su-30MKI which is parked in their garage. This is not me saying this is an independent study by IAF.

Gripen C beat J-11A which is Su-30MKK. The Chinese pilot gobsmacked when they saw Gripen C roaring ahead of twin engines J-11A. Su-30MKK or J-11A was not a close match to C variant of Gripen. Think what E variant of Gripen would do.

Operational Environment
The one superior advantage of the Gripen is its ability to take off, fully loaded, from a runway only 2,800′ long and land in as little as 2,600′. This was a design requirement from the beginning, believing that the Swedish Air Force would have to improvise after a first strike attack against its air bases and thus force the Air Force to fly from unimproved highways and small commuter airports. This has to be an appealing feature for all its current export country customers.

The Gripen can be tasked with air dominance and area denial role, the Gripen can also perform naval denial helping to protect territorial sovereignty. Gripen is not just a multirole but a swing role meaning it can switch operational role in flight.

One Gripen can provide radar sensing for four of its colleagues, allowing a single fighter to track targets, while the others use the data for a stealthy attack. TIDLS also permits multiple fighters to quickly and accurately lock onto targets track through triangulation from several radars or allows one fighter to jam targets while another tracks it, or allows multiple fighters to use different radar frequencies collaboratively to “burn through” jamming transmissions.
Comparing with other Aircraft

The Gripen is now an 18 years old platform with excellent factory support. Probably on par with a Boeing F/A-18E/F super hornet model or F-15E Strike Eagle. The F-15E, Strike Eagle Model, has a full suite of electronics which earlier models did not have while the JAS39 E/F models already do.

The Gripen would over-match against advanced Chinese built J-10C and J-16 in addition to PLAAF Su-35.

The Gripen has a tighter turning radius and does not bleed off energy as quickly and thus has a speed advantage in air combat manoeuvring (ACM) against the Su-30.

View attachment 461187

V Putin and Xi can't match it.

Those who are spectics of Gripen E. Please read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ipen-F-35-competitor-takes-maiden-flight.html

Meh, there is many hidden additional cost factor when operating Grippen hence there is less countries interested on Grippen compared with F 16 or even Flanker.

The same IAF expert who ditch Grippen E offer from SAAB and instead chose Rafale and adding more Su 30 MKI in recent procurement program, sure that says alot about Grippen Mighty in paper sheet and mock training against earlier model of J 11 (in which rip off of Flanker). Not to say Indonesia choice of Flanker E / Su 35 over Grippen E because they are short legged and must carry additional fuel tanks. Beside Brazil, there is not much country picking Grippen E seriously (if not US spy cases Brazil surely will deal for F/A 18).