Baluch Sunni woman elected mayor is first for Iran

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Is honor called "Gheyrat" in your language as well?
The same thing is true for Iranians

We follow Balochmayar .. like the Pashtun follow Pashtunwali.

 

[rmi5]

baba man farda emtehan daram , i go study my craps !!

please dont let them fight if u can

Baba 4 ta microb va inaa ke khoundan nadaareh. khodet ra lous mikoni.

We follow Balochmayar .. like the Pashtun follow Pashtunwali.

I think there was just a minor mis-understanding between you guys.
Anyway, so you call "honor" and "Gheyrat" as "Balochmayar" in Baluchistan?

 

[haman10]

Baba 4 ta microb va inaa ke khoundan nadaareh. khodet ra lous mikoni.

you heard this guys ?

an engineer is making fun of medical doctorate !!!

GOD help me out here

you better go make the already made electrecity !!

 

[rmi5]

you heard this guys ?

an engineer is making fun of medical doctorate !!!

GOD help me out here

you better go make the already made electrecity !!

Did you finally learnt who invented the electricity? or you still think Edison did invent it?

 

[New]

an engineer is making fun of medical doctorate

I think you are insulting 80% of Iranians now.
Take back your word, before it gets too late.

 

[Chronos]

Agree.
Maybe because we are sometimes at odds as well.
We attract our similar people to ourselves

Best policy is to ignore. I ignore India-pakistan debates now because both sides are highly immature.

Plus i don't want to engage in petty jingoism online. That says something more about you as a person

 

[rmi5]

I think you are insulting 80% of Iranians now.

Do not mind it. Doctor Alafis think that they can mess with engineers.
As I have told @haman10 before, we , the engineers can finish all of the discoveries in their field in less than two years as a contract.

 

[haman10]

Did you finally learnt who invented the electricity? or you still think Edison did invent it?

edison invented lamp , before that there was no use of electricity whatsoever

I think you are insulting 80% of Iranians now.
Take back your word, before it gets too late.

huh , gimme a break !! u think ur tough ? no youre not !!!

i can see your sick faces begging for us to even look u up !!! standing in line .........



just kidding

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Guys, both of you, @Hazzy997 @DESERT FIGHTER are honorable men.
BTW, I did not know that you guys are religious in this extent.

Im not religious.. Baluch are secular people.. but we have a code on conduct we consider sacred..

Baluchmayar

The most important part of the Baluch unwritten constitution is known as the Baluchmayar, which guides the Baluch national life. In many ways, the Baluch- mayar influences the life of individuals and determines the future of Baluch society. These traditions are completely different from the traditions of the Muslims of the Indo-Pak-Afghan subcontinent and from those of the Persians of Iran.

1 Baluch Mayar


The demands for honor or the basis of the Baluchmayar are also known as
 Laj (Luj), Ghairat, Izzat, Nang, and Namus, which may be interpreted as “the 
Baluch Code of Honor”. This code is sometimes referred to by Baluch nationalist writers as Baluchiat (Baluchness). Baluch life is guided by the principles
 of Baluchmayar or the Baluch code of honor, but what is “honor”? A Baluch warrior poet in one of his poems on the subject of Ghairat composed the following lines:

Some die for honor and dignity,

Some live for a piece of bread,


He who avenges himself


Says farewell to his beautiful wife,

Has no longing for power and wealth.


2 Ber or Hun (Revenge)

The fundamental principle of Baluchmayar calls for an avenging of blood. The Baluch history and folk tales are full of stories of Ber. A Baluch “Battal” (proverb) throws light on the Baluch concept of revenge:

“The Baluch’s revenge for blood

Remains as young for two hundred years


As a deer of two years.”


In case of murder, the family of the victim is duty-bound to avenge the crime (hun). The obligation of revenge rests on the affected tuman (tribe) or the family against the individual’s tribe or the individual himself. This principle has given birth to intertribal blood feuds, tribal migration and elimination of whole families. To keep alive the principle of Ber, the Baluch poets and elder women of an injured family have always provoked the grudge. Wrote a Baluchpoet:

“The stones may melt away inside deep wells, but spite

Shall ever remain alive in the hearts of true men,

Neither stones melt away nor shall spite move.”

To lessen blood feuds among the Baluch, certain measures were taken during the reign of Mir Nasir Khan the Great and later on by the British when they did a treaty with khan of kalat in Baluchistan “in the name of the Khan”. According to Gul Khan, Nasir Khan the great introduced a system of blood compensation among the Baluch, which was derived from Baluch traditional law. To provide more protection for tribal chiefs and nobles of the Khanate, the compensation was double that payable for a tribesman. Later on the Sardars extended this privilege to their own families, Sardar Khel. The general rate, as fixed during the reign of Nasir Khan the Great, was Rs. 2,700 plus another Rs. lOO to be paid to the Khanate. But a greater privilege was enjoyed by the subject races such as the Hindus, Jews, and servile dependents like the Loris in the matter of blood compensation. Their blood compensation was Rs. 14,000 to Rs. 20,000. This compensation was granted for theie usefulness. It was very seldom that a Baluch tribesman had anyone but his Sial or Mat (person of equal status) murdered. Cash payments were rare and land, camels, sheep, goats, and arms were usually
 given instead. The most disgraceful punishment was to demand that the accused and one or two of his close relatives should surrender their arms in a tribal assembly, a tradition known as Mukh. (The Baluch tribes of Derajat and Marri-Bugti have no such tradition of surrendering arms.)

During the late nineteenth century, the blood compensation of Sardar or Sardar Khel amounted to a sum somewhere between twenty and a hundred thousand Rupees. The Baluch tribesmen’s blood compensation was determined at Rs. 1,500 only. 
The subject races lost their old status and their blood amount was fixed at a mere two hundred Rupees. Until 1947 murder cases were decided under the Penal Code, the Baluchistan Code, and the British-made “Frontier Crimes Regulations”, though the popular practice remained “blood for blood”. In the old war ballads of the Baluch, many cases of savage revenge are recorded such as...

Haibat Khan Niazi general of sher shah suri Arrested one son of Mir Chakar Rind killed him and and roasted his ribs when Mir Chakar know about that he killed Haibat Khan Niazi fashioned his skull into a cup and had water in it

The Arab geographer, il-Muqaddasi, had already written an account in 98 A.D. about the cruel and barbarous revenge of the Baluch. Muhammad Sardar Khan re- corded a case of Ber between the Gishkauris and Lashars in the 15th century,

Whereby a Gishkauri killed one hundred Lashars in revenge and stated:

“I cannot slaughter the whole world and peace in no way can be restored,

even ray enemies fly to Muscat (beyond the Sea).”

The individual and inter-tribal feuds brought disunity amongst the BaluchSince the rise of nationalism, inter-tribal feuds have been discouraged and are condemned by educated Baluch. Several poems and articles have been written about the need to work for peace and harmony. The principle of revenge should be directed against the enemy .

3 Bahut (Refuge)

The second great pillar of Baluchmayar is called Bahut (refuge). Under this principle, every Baluch has the obligation to fight to death for a person who has taken refuge regardless of his status as a friend or enemy or stranger. The Baluch war ballads and folk stories are full of persons who sacrificed their lives in the defense and protection of their Bahut. The following Baluch folktale illustrates the significance of Baluchmayar and its Bahut. The tale was recorded by the American anthropologist L. Dupree:

“The tents had been pitched and the women prepared the evening meal. As dusk approached, so did a rider out of the desert. He rode to the tent of the Khan and threw himself from his horse, prostrated himself at the Khan’s feet, and demanded protection. He was being followed, he claimed, by a large band of horsemen with whom his family had a blood feud. The old Khan, wise beyond his years, and as pure as his white beard, granted the applicant asylum. The man was led to the guest tent and was fed, and told to prepare himself for the evening.

“The Khan’s young son came to his father and cried, ‘Oh my father! That is Badshah Gul, who but two months ago slew my brother and your son.’

‘Yes, my son, but now he is a guest in our camp. He has asked for asylum. We have given him asylum. And remember, my son, even if it takes a hundred years, your brother’s death, my son’s death, will be avenged.’

“The young son, inflamed, left his father’s tent and, taking his brother’s dagger from its honored place, crept to the guest tent and buried the dagger into the breast of the guest, as they had buried his brother two months before.

“The next morning, amid cries and lamentations, the body of the guest was discovered. Tearing his clothing, ripping his turban in agony, the old Khan cried, ‘who could have done this? Who could have brought dishonor on the name of our family? The camps of the Baluch will forever condemn us for this dishonour!’ The young son threw himself at his father’s feet and begged forgiveness, saying that in a moment of blind rage, he had dishonored the group. The old Khan took the knife, which had killed the guest and plunged it into the heart of his son.

The Baluch camps still tell of the killing in the guest tent, but they tell the story with honor.”

In the 15th century, the principle of Bahut led the member tribes of the “First Baluch Confederacy” into a civil war of thirty years, which resulted in the fall of the confederacy as well as the Baluch migration to the Indian sub-continent. Bahut was the source of frequent conflict when the British demanded the return of “rebels” or individuals who committed murders in British India.



4 Mehmani (Hospitality)


The third great pillar of Baluchmayar is hospitality and protection to every guest. The Baluch tribesmen are lavish in their hospitality, which is considered one of the most important duties, even among the poorest of them. During meal- times, all who are present are welcome to share. The chiefs or host spend a great part of their income for Mehmani. All the tribesmen or strangers who visit the Mehman Khana, Utak (guest house) or Giddan (tent) are regarded as guests of the chief. Refusal of hospitality means the violation of the Baluchmayar, which can be punished with a fine by the tribal Jlrga (Council of Elders). The obligation of Mehmani also includes the protection of the guest, although both obligations expire at the moment the guest has left the house of the host or the limit of the host’s territorial responsibility. The obligation provide hospitality and protect the guest is considered of great importance 
by the Baluch. In the case of insult or murder of the guest, the obligation of Mehmani demands from the host that he takes Ber, which would be the sacred duty
 of the host or host tribe. The principle of Mehmani has influenced the politics of Baluchistan. R. Tample, a British political officer on the North West Frontier, wrote about the importance of hospitality: “They [tribesmen) will do almost anything except betray a guest.”

5 Kamzor-o-Lachar (Weak and Helpless Persons)

The principle of Baluchmayar demands that the Kamzor-o-Lachar be respected and that tribesmen refrain from killing them. The following persons are regarded as Kamzor-o-Lachar:

1. Zal or zan (women)

2. Bachh (boy) below the age of 17 years

3. The members of religious minorities such as Hindus

4. Inferior races such as Ghulara (slave), Domb and Lori (musicians, singers and genealogists) and Nakib (the persons who are bound to supply firewood for the camp of the chiefs, and to carry his post or messages within the limits of the tribe)

5. A person who is in the shrine or mosque, as long as he remains within its premises

In addition, it is required that fighting cease when a woman, a spiritual leader or a person carrying the Holy Koran (Muslim religious book) intercedes.

6 Etbar/Amanat (Trust)

Another principle of the Baluchmayar is known as ‘Amanat’ or ‘Etbar’. It demands from every member of Baluch society that he defend to the last property entrusted to him. Major Percy Sykos, the British diplomat in Western Baluchistan (Iran), wrote: “The Baluch are extremely honest, and, if entrusted with valuables or letters, will defend them with their lives; also, they are extremely moral, and treat their women more or less as equals. In fact they have a code of honor and generally live up to it. Their honesty is exemplified by the fact that a bag of rupees, containing the pay of all the telegraph employees, used to be sent along the line, each man, in turn, taking out his wages. Only once was this confidence abused, and the thief had to leave the country, which is the heaviest of punishments for a Baluch.”

7 Qaul (Promise)


The Baluch code of honor expects the Baluch to be loyal to their word or promises.

In 1939, the British Army took Kalat by surprise and killed Mehrab Khan, the ruler of Baluchistan. This treacherous act of the British resulted in the uprisings of the Baluch tribes. In 1940 the British army was sent to subdue
 the Marri Baluch. The Marri-British fighting came to an end with the complete British surrender. In return, Marri promised them safe passage and return: 
 “The Baluch kept to the terms of their treaty, showing honour and even kindness to the garrison.”

8 Shigan (Taunt)

This is the final principle of Baluchmayar. It aims to check those who violate the Baluchmayar, for instance if a person kills his guests or betrays his Bahut, etc. and never takes his revenge. The Baluch poetry and folk stories are full of Shigan, to provoke a “coward” or disheartened person to avenge. A person who ignores his duty to take revenge is always addressd as “Be-Ghairat” (person without honour). This principle reminds the Baluch of his duties and obligations toward Baluchmayar.

 

[rmi5]

Best policy is to ignore. I ignore India-pakistan debates now because both sides are highly immature.

Plus i don't want to engage in petty jingoism online. That says something more about you as a person

Agree.

 

[haman10]

Do not mind it. Doctor Alafis think that they can mess with engineers.
As I have told @haman10 before, we , the engineers can finish all of the discoveries in their field in less than two years as a contract

he ya right !! thats why we get the GP in 7 years but you guys get the masters degree in just 9 years !!! ???

any specialty and you should add 5 years to that 7 before : 5 + 7 = 12

so bye bye

 

[Chronos]

Agree.

Guys, either debate the thread on hand and not dating?

You guys might want to make a thread on that

 

[rmi5]

edison invented lamp , before that there was no use of electricity whatsoever

Come on dude, I exactly explained it 123457678 times to you in this forum.

huh , gimme a break !! u think ur tough ? no youre not !!!

i can see your sick faces begging for us to even look u up !!! standing in line .........



just kidding

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Baba 4 ta microb va inaa ke khoundan nadaareh. khodet ra lous mikoni.



I think there was just a minor mis-understanding between you guys.
Anyway, so you call "honor" and "Gheyrat" as "Balochmayar" in Baluchistan?

Honor = Gheyrat,Luj,namus ... so yes..

Balochmayar = Code !

 

[Chronos]

Do not mind it. Doctor Alafis think that they can mess with engineers.
As I have told @haman10 before, we , the engineers can finish all of the discoveries in their field in less than two years as a contract.

I am a management student.

What that means is I have no idea what I wanted to do in life.

LOL.