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^^^^^ I respect your efforts for ethnic unity armstrong. But please let me criticize the muhajirs.

Calm down havi. If you want to criticise the policies/speeches of Altaf..fair enough but why do you want to criticise all muhajirs as if they are all bad people or bad Pakistani...

Muhajir/Urdu speaker supported MQM same way as pashtun supported ANP or punjabi supported PML(N)
 
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Thats too long... *writerssyndrome. Will highlight parts u shud read in bold.

After making darkinsky run away like a girl last time... it's your turn. darkinsky avoided Altaf's speech completely and ran off the 7-8 times I pointed it to him... but you do not believe in Pakistan either. I swore one day to fight everyone who defended that speech. Do you know how many of us were killed for Pakistan? How dare you insult the sacrifices of your forefathers of my forefathers? I refuse to call myself Muhajir on account of you but even I have the honour to admit that my forefathers struggle for Pakistan was the most noble thing ever in our history. You wish to stomp upon that for a bigot?

First in any case... I should apologize for that comment. I was angry at luffy because he failed to understand and maintained his belligerent racist attitude. But I saw MQM chauvinists since a very young age abusing Pashtuns. You create people like these with your intrinsic bias. I took my anger out on you without knowing a word about you and for that I apologize... but unfortunately with that comment on partition you have proven yourself a traitor to Muhajir people who moved to Pakistan and drained their blood for it. This is where ethnic bigots like you make Jinnahpur possible.

What you and @American Pakistani are not understanding is that I am Muhajir by birth regardless of what I am call myself now... which is on account of MQM bigots like yourself. This gives me the NATURAL RIGHT to criticize the MQM. You can't cry racism here... even a Pashtun has a better right to do that since I adopted his race and then am telling him what to do... but Muhajir bigots have no escape from me.

By creators I meant the fact that majority of the founding fathers were Muhajirs and millions of Muhajirs sacrificed their lives to create Pakistan. Also it was Muhajirs who brought their wealth, education and talents to Pakistan which deeply helped Pakistan during its infancy. The user I replied to was clearly insulting Muhajirs and calling them vile names.

The user is by birth a muhajir insulting muhajirs. Lets say a Canadian says his government is a terrorist government that has been involved in falsely accusing innocent people of terrorism. Would he have more of a right or a Japanese person? Even if that Canadian says he is tired of Canada and is going to go to another country and take its passport... say UK or wherever, his experiance of 30 years as a canadian will entitle him to comment. Karachite a brain is a god-gifted thing. Use it. I have been trying to explain this to you constantly but you are unprepared to hear it. Both you and American Pakistani.

Basically you have to turn it into an ethnicity issue... "an outsider" has to be attacking you... if a muhajir does, even one who proudly calls himself a Pashtun your brain fries.

Now what is that rubbish. Who told you Muhajirs made Pakistan. Were there any Muhajirs before Pakistan was created. Such a ridiculous statement can never be made by an educated person proving that ur mentality is weaker than the madrassa student from Jalalabad. What about Abdur Rab Nishtar and people who weren't muhajir. Every race had an equal role.

Also if you are actually going to be as stupid to call Jinnah a muhajir please use your brain. He said Muhajirs would in time merge with local communities. He didn't say it was an ethnic identity
. He should have known that there would be brainless chauvinists like you who would be keen to maintain this derogatory term which forever labelled us travelers. I look like a traveler? I am a son of Karachi living in the city with the highest HDI in the country. Maintain that pathetic label if you want. I have proven you are a traitor to Jinnah. You can find out if Jinnah would ever call himself Muhajir from his reactions to questions about his Shia background. Many people asked him if he was shia... never said it... just said he was muslim. you think he would like to be identified as a Muhajir or his children to be identified as such? He would slap you and @darkinsky if you said the word muhajir in front of him.

Now about bringing our wealth talents and expertise. Lol. You are implying others have no expertise and our parents/grandfathers were the only ones that had it, a racist lie. In my ethnic paper I call this self-gratification. You have to somehow prove Muhajirs had an unequal role in the formation of Pakistan which is a slap to every non-muhajir around. I guess you know nothing about the hur movement and other freedom movements from the british while you do not know of the khan of kalat either. These men sacrificed for Pakistan... but for a racist mind to accept the sacrifices of other ethnic groups for Pakistan is very difficult.

Your family lives in a Cantt which are fairly safe. Karachi is a multi
ethnic city and ethnic tension has existed since decades now. It has calmed down now :what: but there was a time where it was total chaos.

If an insane man made that comment I would not begrudge him his inherited stupidity but I will not comment on this further as in my mind I maintain the possibility that Altaf's love has driven you insane and I look upon you with pity in my sorrowful eyes like I would at a handicapped child.

I will speak as a firangi mahal ansari (from UP lucknow)... unlike you I am still loyal to my grandfather who moved and my great family background. Forget I am wannabe Pashtun for a while.

What part of this report do you not understand:
1,363 people target killed in Karachi in past 5 years: Rehman Malik – The Express Tribune


It would take a callous man and possibly a militant working for the MQM to deny 1363 people have been killed not in religious but ethnic violence... what a beautiful fact about my fellow Muhajirs to tell an outsider like @liontk... they hold one city completely and can't stop killings in it? What a surprise.

What part of the fact do you not understand that 3 bodies fell today and recently a relative of our bhabi was shot dead by one of the 3 retarded parties
(which don't believe in Pakistan as they all have their own statements against Pakistan)... Its your mindset which is the problem. I can try all year to try and disengage you from terror chief... give you evidence after evidence from fellow journalist contacts... but its your head that is a gutter.

You are talking about other members but the way you were/are talking about Muhajirs & MQM is very good? Kindly read your previous posts. Muhajirs are criticized everywhere this is reality so if some Muhajirs repeating the same on other ethnics, it should also be taken as joke & not seriously.

I will request you not to take any one seriously. They maybe racist here but i know their hearts are not what you are reading in their posts. And yes No to racism.

American Pakistani till now have you read anything I have directed you to. Read my response to this bigot @Karachiite fully.

LMAO you went full retard, never go full retard. Talking about burning carpet shops and members engaging in bacha bazi :rofl::rofl:. My emotional friend please don't even think for a second you know me because you don't. So next time don't try to tell me to learn something. Also I don't care about your daily life issues you face.
Abusing pashtuns? How?

Would you like to pull your last 50+ posts?
It will put our favorite troll from neighbouring Afghanistan Sher Malang to shame. For an MQM supporter not to be racist mountains would have to be made of wood. Why I say it because since childhood I have been subjugated to muhajir chauvinism. My relatives, all who are MQM supporters have abused Pashtuns, Sindhis, Balochs and Punjabis non-stop. There is no end to it. Don't try to deny it. I hear these conversations almost daily.

Also note one thing, I admire MQM but that does not mean I hold Altaf Hussain in high stature. But what he said about the partition was correct because more than half the Muslims chose to remain in India, few decades later a civil war erupted which created Bangladesh. Muslims were supposed to be united but now there are 3 different nations where there is a large Muslim population and has divided them completely.

For this I cannot think highly of you... this is all that is required? This is how Pakistan broke in 71 didn't it? And we are capable of doing it again with our ethno-fascism. You don't know the cases I saw with sufferers witness and great numbers wanted to move to Pakistan from parts of India claiming bias-still do (though SW works mainly for emancipation of women and against rights abuses). This is what we would suffer if we were in India. This is personal for me... and let me tell you that I may be so freakin frsutrated with you that I adopted Pashtun identity but I damn well respect the family members we lost to the Indian mobs. You are a sad disgrace... we could never have said something like this in the 1950's and sons of those valourous people who escaped those mobs just for an ideal are spewing this rubbish against Pakistan?

You wanted pigs to be thrown in mosques and our girls to be kidnapped? I am a secularist and have respect for this sohni mitti for which I will drain every drop of my blood. But I still respect my soil and the sacrifices of muslims for it.

If I still considered myself a Muhajir I would call you a traitor to true Muhajir qawm, a disgrace to our forefathers and someone who has not just spit and desecrated his forefathers grave (who you so proudly claim made Pakistan in which you don't believe... :lol: ) but raped it. But this was one of the reasons I quit... this very speech the main reason. Pakistan is my blood and someone talks about its division... I will never accept it. You did not ask your father how many people those Indians killed even after the partition. I can tell you about a number of cases from Sufferers witness

Sana: Raped and murdered in Azampura, Hyderabad by Indian mobs. Her family tried to stop it and were murdered too. Still held... I knew this woman.

Shehzad Muneer: Killed in Delhi for insulting Hindus...

No offense Karachiite but this was my fault, especially the last response. I let my rage at Luffy's love for Afghanistan and discrediting of famous Pashtun personalities affect my response to you... that also because from birth I had seen a bias against us Pashtuns among my family and relatives it is my personal vendetta that whoever supports the speech of Altaf cannot be a friend. I have abandoned contact with a number of relatives because of this.

Very debauched... cursing of your forefathers blood. Maybe if you would have said this your grandparents, great-grand-parents or parents during the partition they would have disowned you and thrown you to the dogs to whom you belonged. Our Pakistani identity is disappearing for this ethnic identity-great!. Bengal could easily be part of us if it had been administered properly... question is having a Rupees 13,000 higher GDP than the second richest group the Punjabis were you willing to abandon your position on top and help the Bengalis move to a better standard? No you voted for PPP like everyone else and when they started killing them supported them... now u are making this ridiculous statement... which race will u get rid of next after the Bengalis? YOU are the cause... people LIKE YOU, MQM CHAUVINISTS LIKE YOU. Pakistan with east Pakistan was the largest Muslim country in the world. And people who think of nothing but their race can cause another 71 to occur but when I say it you won't listen because ethno-fascism is in your head. Altaf will call for Pakistan to be broken u will defend it just like you did like any wafadaar dog protects his master even if the master is an evil man.

Also you know better than me that is some very cheap justification of a speech that openly called for succession from Pakistan.


Very sad what the sons of those who left for Pakistan with only the word Pakistan Zindabad on their lips have come to... when Altaf takes action on his speech and cedes our regions to india you will be on his side. Glad to know that you are as bigoted as luffy and others. And you are trying to teach him when you are a bigot yourself??? You guys pride yourself over being educated... you are jahils of the lowest standards. It is a shame I was born amongst traitors like you.

I want nothing to do with people like you who can jump into the ocean to defend that rubbish.


You talk about racism but then proceed to insult the creator of Pakistan (Muhajirs). Please for your own sake stfu, you are a wreck.

Let me tell you the creator of Pakistan is Hazrat Quaid E Azam Jinnah, the creators of this pak sarzameen that you and your MQM terrorists have corrupted with their presence are Liaquat Ali Khan, they are Suhrwardy, they are nizamuddin, they are Abdur Rab Nishtar, they are Mir Ahmed Yar. These are from a number of ethnicities.
Did you learn that in terror training in India when u trained with Ajmal Pahari?

The creator of Pakistan definitely is NOT Altaf Hussain not are the members of MQM like terrorist Haider who ordered the killing of Faisal Raza Abidi (another Muhajir) and Farooq Sattar who admitted in wikileaks that MQM maintained a terrorist force.


And use a brain. A muhajir by birth insults muhajirs and he becomes a racist. lol. Excellent logic which Luffy uses to discredit Pashtuns who confront him. I will be sure to remember that. Seeing people like you I understand it is better to have nothing to do with Muhajirs. There is no issue for Muhajirs maintaining a separate identity but it being used for this rubbish history? What about the history before 47 and our struggle for and solid belief in Pakistan??? Isn't that a source of pride?

You said STFU... why don't you shoot me as that is the best way for shutting people up? :azn: Almost every officer and even constables and sergeants involved in operation in 92, 94 are now dead. Congratulations to terror chief Altaf who will kill many more with your support.

Now lets say you shoot me... okay? Now if there is a military operation against you, what happens? It is labelled anti-Muhajir and MQM... or worse lets say Altaf is arrested for crimes against Pakistan which we all know he has committed. What happens? With the help of India his remnants start a civil war. I can't believe you people being blind as bats simply are incapable of seeing this coming
like a truck hurtling at you at 100 miles per hour.

Its very sad where my country is going and we have a record of producing bigots of the worst type. Congratulations on being an MQM terrorist. Show MQM thugs your posts they will hand you a pistol and tell you to shoot some innocents, show them to India they will give you the Vir Chakra which is all you aspire for in life. :D

What you said about Faisal Sabzwari is false, you most likely completely misunderstood him or are making up blatant lies.
And if you open your eyes then you would know which ethnicity takes pride in guns and which ethnicity was the one to introduce guns and drugs to Karachi. In the 50s and 60s, Muhajirs were the majority group in Karachi so tell me how many gun murders happened back then?

Use youtube and find it... I don't lie... it was some light casual show. I will find it if I have time. I don't have time right now to engage hotspot shield and search for it like a moron for a little bigot from my stupid city who doesn't believe in Pakistan. What will it do? Could I change Luffy's mind, can I change anyone's in my families? Can I change yours? Terror chief is like a devil dancing in your head driving you to more stupidity. Our country isn't safe.

Now that isn't racism I assume against Pashtuns but it is in you MQM guys nature to insult another ethnic group or blame them for your issues regularly. I wasn't insulting you as a Pashtun or because I have become a Pashtun though i feel inclined to defend them because of the bias they have suffered from my family-call it atonement... but as someone from the firangi mahal ansar house that struggled for the creation of Pakistan and understands that his people are now deviating from developing Pakistan to instead developing a seperate niche for themselves. Research our roots. We are from Lucknow. Type Ansari or Firangi Mahal in either case you will get a whole book of extremely rich history... that is history... not all this non-existent "oppression" when an operation was launched to stop the murder you guys were involved in. From 85-90 over 3000 people were killed in Karachi. You probably weren't even born then but you would know then that violence spiked up 200% since the birth of MQM. Only an idiot wouldn't conduct an operation after those 3000 were killed.

I am in Karachi for new year. Go to north nazimabad Block D... you MQM workers fill the area like an infestation of rats in some dirty little gutter. They were shooting in the air in celebration of new year... our cousin from America started begging... please don't shoot and praying to Allah as she was at the market and has a phobia of guns. They know Muhajir families know nothing about guns and are extremely afraid of them. Pashtuns have been born using them. MQM workers all have guns... Pashtun has a gun they start crying... its basically an effort to keep the city to itself for MQM. MQM is harrassing Muhajirs but you are too stupid to see it because you are a blind supporter like my family.

You are highly mistaken but since you were trained in India with Ajmal Pahari it can be expected that you make silly claims. The majority ethnic group of Karachi remain the Muhajirs. This is a statistic for your little brain... if it can handle such things as statistics since the other troll cousin of yours @darkinsky can't. 40-70% of the Karachi population is Urdu speaking making a clear majority... more than any other ethnic group. Some sources put the figure at 45% and some at 70%. Go figure.

You take the internet way too seriously and get too emotional, calm down.[/QUOTE]

I apologize for my behavior before... but I don't now nor for confronting you with your pro indian partition rubbish. You called the partition a mistake. Go do some research... learn about people they killed and the Gujarat and Babri incidents for simple proof that we were unsafe there and the police was biased against us. When relatives went to file a case over death of the family of Sana police locked a lot of people up. A section of my family in Hyderabad do not believe in India because of aftermath of gujarat. (the riots spread to Hyderabad and a number of other cities. Government of India only collected information for that province)... use your brain and stop insulting the sacrifice of your fathers and each Muhajir. @American Pakistani should show his Pakistaniness and slap you for that pro-indian comment. But this is what MQM turns people into.

If you believe in united India perhaps an Indian forum would have suited you. You also have an option of supporting Syed Jamaluddin who claims he knew Altaf according to my source. Altaf confirms too. Jinnahpur is a reality... god knows how you guys got away last time.

"Partition was a mistake." Tell that to the relatives that died and the guys we moved in 2003-2004 who were crying and sobbing all the time and saying they would never go back you MQM terrorist. Altaf should be shot for that speech and many will celebrate when he is and i hope it is a migrant that shoots him. That day... for one day in my life I will forget I have adopted Pashtun identity and will proudly call myself a son of those who moved to this country.

Goodbye... thanks for wasting an hour of my time and telling me for that fake Muhajir identity and Altaf's rubbish you can break Pakistan any time.
 
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I'm a Punjabi & I'm desensitized to all of this ! Whether its the Kalabagh Dam or the NFC Award or being made the scape-goat for every ill in Pakistan - We've sacrificed & would probably continue to sacrifice because the Federation comes first, second & last !


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is baat per Lassi party ho jaey :cheers: :partay:
 
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Being a Punjabi I can tell you that Punjabis rarely get a boner on Ethnic/ Racial issues. Lets gather around, Maharaja Da-Bang is going to tell Punjabis their glorious history and how we lost it all :partay:

Pardon me but what glorious history???

Punjab has always been the playground for foreign conquerors with whatever native population at the time hardly givng a fight except for maybe Porus and later the Sikhs who had the distinction of the last state to fall to the british.

After Porus and before Sikhs not one ruler came out of Punjab who had the spine to resist foreign invaders, from Mauryas to Arabs to Marathas, Punjab has always been ruled by external powers, never the ruler.

Punajbis never earned anything except slavery till Sikhs came along, ironically against Mughal excesses.

Why would a Punjabi get a 'boner' on ethnic issue, then?
 
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Calm down havi. If you want to criticise the policies/speeches of Altaf..fair enough but why do you want to criticise all muhajirs as if they are all bad people or bad Pakistani...

Muhajir/Urdu speaker supported MQM same way as pashtun supported ANP or punjabi supported PML(N)

Yes... you are right... mashaAllah allah has made us all retards. I can't criticize ANP because its like a wannabe Pashtun after adopting Pashtun culture I am telling them what to do
:disagree: خلک به ونه مني

I have never pretended to be Punjabi or Sindhi... its the same thing there. Congrats for voting bigots year after year after year.
 
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Yes... you are right... mashaAllah allah has made us all retards. I can't criticize ANP because its like a wannabe Pashtun after adopting Pashtun culture I am telling them what to do
:disagree: خلک به ونه مني

I have never pretended to be Punjabi or Sindhi... its the same thing there. Congrats for voting bigots year after year after year.

Can you elaborate because i have no clue what you are talking about?
 
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Whats goin on here? :blink:

this was supposed to be baithak for friendly discussion,but now it is turning into a mess!
WE ALL CREATED PAKISTAN-----BECAUSE WE ALL WERE UNITED........WHETHER MUHAJIR,SINDHI,PUNJABI,BALUCHI,PASHTU...WE ALL GIVE OUR BLOOD,OUR WEALTH,OUR LIFE TO THIS NATION.....HOW DARE YOU ALL TO INSULT EACH OTHER LIKE THIS...THIS IS SO NOT FAIR....I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS..!!!!
 
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Whats goin on here? :blink:

MQM chauvinists ruining the thread.... then I getting the blame for it. :disagree:
People just want me love bigots telling distorted history and kissing India on the back... and I should hug them like teddy bears. Amazing times for a Nationalist.

Can you elaborate because i have no clue what you are talking about?

The fact that no one has the decency to read my posts... then ask questions... :rolleyes:
Lets see you are by birth a Punjabi and criticize attitudes of Punjabis... you are a racist?
@rameesha chill out. Storm has passed... unless @Karachiite comes again with some of his pro-indian rubbish. 60 years on one ethnic group is kissing the *** of India, some members of the other Afghanistan. Can't say if thats ironic or sad.
 
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History of the LION of Balochistan. Mir Chakar Khan Rind who is also known as Chakar E Azam:

chakar%2Bkhan%2Brind%2Bbalochistan.jpg



The areas comprising the state of Pakistan have a rich history and are steeped in the traditions of martial kind. Tribes which are the foundation stone of Pakistan come from all ethnic groups of Pakistan either they be Sindhi, Balochi, Pathan or Punjabi. One of these men of war & honour were Mir Chakar Khan Rind. He is probably the most famous leader coming out of Baloch ethnic group of Pakistan.
Mir Chakar Khan Rind or Chakar-i-Azam (1468 – 1565 ) was a Baloch king and ruler of Satghara in (Southern Pakistani Punjab) in the 15th century. He is considered a folk hero of the Baloch people and an important figure in the Baloch epic Hani and Sheh Mureed.

Mir Chakar lived in Sibi in the hills of Balochistan and became the head of Rind tribe at the age of 18 after the death of his father Mir Shahak Khan. Mir Chakar's kingdom was short lived because of a civil war between the Lashari and Rind tribes of Balochistan. Mir Chakar and Mir Gwaharam Khan Lashari, head of the Lashari tribe, went to war that resulted in thousands dead, including Mir Chakar's brother. For Balochis the sixteenth century was a very eventful period. They fought series of wars amongst themselves. These tribal conflicts not only caused large scale blood shed but also resulted in mass migrations to Punjab and Sindh. The war and the gallantry of the two tribe leaders continues to be a part of the Baloch peoples' history. After the "Thirty Years' War" against the Lashari Tribe, Mir Chakar left Balochistan and settled in the Punjab ( In modern day Pakistan) in 1518.

Mir Chakar Settled in Satghara ( a small town near the present day Okara District in Punjab Province of Pakistan) and gained power and respect in the area. He ruled this territory until he died in 1565. Afghan King Sher Shah Suri approached Mir Chakar to unite with him to consolidate his gains. Mir Chakar appreciated the offer but refused to help Sher Shah Suri and managed to elude Afghan armies. Under the command of his son, Mir Shahdad Khan, his forces instead joined the Mughal army of Emperor Humayun in 1555. Humayun was returning to the Indian Subcontinent after a long exile in Persia. Emperor Humayun came back, recaptured Delhi, and ousted the Suri dynasty in 1556. People who accompanied Mir Chakar to Satghara after leaving Balochistan constructed a tomb for his body.

The tomb was desecrated and its roof demolished by Maharaja Ranjit Singh who on his way to Multan had stayed in Satghara about 180 years ago.

Mir Chakar's tribe still live in southern Punjab to this day and speak the Seraiki language, they still exert considerable influence in the daily affairs of the district.

Baloch song about Mir Chakar-which I do not yet understand-will after I finish up on learning Pashto:


Old drama depicting the life of Chakar E Azam including the war with Gwaharam Lashari:


Also on the outskirts of Sibi you can find Mir Chakar's fort. It was covered in the Wassoo aur mein, Shehzad Roy's effort for Balochs.

Mir-Chakar-Fort-Sibi.jpg


There is one in Satgara too in much better condition as the one in Sibi is not being maintained and is crumbling. In Satgara his coming generations live and speak Seraiki language. He fought a war with Mir Gwaharam Lashari (bilal lashari the director of the upcoming movie waar is from this lashari tribe) that lasted many years and weakened his kingdom. He sided with the Mughals which irked Sher Shah Suri and he sent armies against him.
 
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History of the LION of Balochistan. Mir Chakar Khan Rind who is also known as Chakar E Azam:

chakar%2Bkhan%2Brind%2Bbalochistan.jpg



The areas comprising the state of Pakistan have a rich history and are steeped in the traditions of martial kind. Tribes which are the foundation stone of Pakistan come from all ethnic groups of Pakistan either they be Sindhi, Balochi, Pathan or Punjabi. One of these men of war & honour were Mir Chakar Khan Rind. He is probably the most famous leader coming out of Baloch ethnic group of Pakistan.
Mir Chakar Khan Rind or Chakar-i-Azam (1468 – 1565 ) was a Baloch king and ruler of Satghara in (Southern Pakistani Punjab) in the 15th century. He is considered a folk hero of the Baloch people and an important figure in the Baloch epic Hani and Sheh Mureed.

Mir Chakar lived in Sibi in the hills of Balochistan and became the head of Rind tribe at the age of 18 after the death of his father Mir Shahak Khan. Mir Chakar's kingdom was short lived because of a civil war between the Lashari and Rind tribes of Balochistan. Mir Chakar and Mir Gwaharam Khan Lashari, head of the Lashari tribe, went to war that resulted in thousands dead, including Mir Chakar's brother. For Balochis the sixteenth century was a very eventful period. They fought series of wars amongst themselves. These tribal conflicts not only caused large scale blood shed but also resulted in mass migrations to Punjab and Sindh. The war and the gallantry of the two tribe leaders continues to be a part of the Baloch peoples' history. After the "Thirty Years' War" against the Lashari Tribe, Mir Chakar left Balochistan and settled in the Punjab ( In modern day Pakistan) in 1518.

Mir Chakar Settled in Satghara ( a small town near the present day Okara District in Punjab Province of Pakistan) and gained power and respect in the area. He ruled this territory until he died in 1565. Afghan King Sher Shah Suri approached Mir Chakar to unite with him to consolidate his gains. Mir Chakar appreciated the offer but refused to help Sher Shah Suri and managed to elude Afghan armies. Under the command of his son, Mir Shahdad Khan, his forces instead joined the Mughal army of Emperor Humayun in 1555. Humayun was returning to the Indian Subcontinent after a long exile in Persia. Emperor Humayun came back, recaptured Delhi, and ousted the Suri dynasty in 1556. People who accompanied Mir Chakar to Satghara after leaving Balochistan constructed a tomb for his body.

The tomb was desecrated and its roof demolished by Maharaja Ranjit Singh who on his way to Multan had stayed in Satghara about 180 years ago.

Mir Chakar's tribe still live in southern Punjab to this day and speak the Seraiki language, they still exert considerable influence in the daily affairs of the district.

Baloch song about Mir Chakar-which I do not yet understand-will after I finish up on learning Pashto:


Old drama depicting the life of Chakar E Azam including the war with Gwaharam Lashari:


Also on the outskirts of Sibi you can find Mir Chakar's fort. It was covered in the Wassoo aur mein, Shehzad Roy's effort for Balochs.

Mir-Chakar-Fort-Sibi.jpg


There is one in Satgara too in much better condition as the one in Sibi is not being maintained and is crumbling. In Satgara his coming generations live and speak Seraiki language. He fought a war with Mir Gwaharam Lashari (bilal lashari the director of the upcoming movie waar is from this lashari tribe) that lasted many years and weakened his kingdom. He sided with the Mughals which irked Sher Shah Suri and he sent armies against him.
Mir chakar rind was easily defeated and killed by haibat khan niazi, a general of sher shah suri.
 
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MQM chauvinists ruining the thread.... then I getting the blame for it. :disagree:
People just want me love bigots telling distorted history and kissing India on the back... and I should hug them like teddy bears. Amazing times for a Nationalist.



The fact that no one has the decency to read my posts... then ask questions... :rolleyes:
Lets see you are by birth a Punjabi and criticize attitudes of Punjabis... you are a racist?
@rameesha chill out. Storm has passed... unless @Karachiite comes again with some of his pro-indian rubbish. 60 years on one ethnic group is kissing the *** of India, some members of the other Afghanistan. Can't say if thats ironic or sad.

havizsultan,

Why do we even reply to such troll posts?when pro-indian posters posts these rubbish,then whole direction of disscussion is changed!.
This forum can also be use to discuss the importance of each province,the importance of unity,the causes of success of Ahmed Shah Abdali,that how he approached just on Shah wali ullah's letters!

why didn't senior members delete such troll posts????


Punjab is well known to give birth to major generals of Pakistan
Sindh in which lies,karachi,the economical sector of pakistan,
N.W.F.P and Baluchistan--a province of brave hearted people who are unique combination of love and bravery,and Intellegence
kashmir has its own value which cannot be described in words
TOGETHER THESE FOUR PROVINCES CREATE THE LAND OF AN EXTRA ORDINARY PEOPLE-----PAKISTAN
 
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This thread is all about pashtuns........first i am going to share an article about my favorite personality sher shah suri.

but Sher Shah had an eye for talent so spotted his potentials and elevated him to the position of a general.

The legendary personality and work of Farid Khan seem like a fairy tale in today's time of scientific empiricism but the legacy of his achievements and the testimonies of even his contemporary rivals besides the fact that he never patronised any "court historians" unlike the rulers of his time leave little space for any exaggeration or fiction. According the Mr. Keene, a British historian, "No government-not even the British has shown so much wisdom as this Pathan." Another important quality of Sher Shah Suri, which made him the best ruler of India even in eyes of Indian historians, was his excellent understanding of Islamic polity and relationship between state and religion in a Hindu majority India. According to Dr. Ishwari Prasad, He was "head and shoulders" above Akbar and Aurangzeb as Akbar alienated orthodox Muslims (or majority of Muslims) due to his ultra liberal un-Islamic religious views and heterodoxy beyond the fundamentals of Islam and that resulted in reactionary policies of successive Muslim rulers and eventually India ended up with a non-tolerant emperor Aurangzeb who persecuted non-Muslims for the "defence of Islam". Akbar was in some ways the equivalent of a brand "liberal Muslims" that normally represent themselves only with no relevance Muslims in wider society where Aurangzeb Alamgir was the roughly the Mughal equivalent of today's radical Islamists. Sher Shah on the other hand was extremely cautious and balanced nevertheless an orthodox practising Muslim himself. He was a strict and learned Muslim, a proud Afghan but at same time not narrow minded towards Hindus or other ethnicities and followed a policy of "Equality and Celebrating Diversity" at that time of authoritarianism and elitist autocracies to avail the full potential of the populace under his rule for the prosperity of his realm.

The visionary Khan built the famous GT Road, the first highway of its kind connecting Peshawar in North West Pakistan to Kolkata in South East India (2600 km later extended to Kabul Afghanistan). The road was constructed for good governance and smooth and efficient administration. The GT Road along with its connecting roads facilitated communication, helped trade and commerce to flourish and made swift dispatch of soldiers from one place to another. The road also helped the Sher Shah Suri in introducing the first organized postal system in the Indian sub continent and best in the World that time. To facilitate the postal runners and the travellers, small inns, called "sarai" were constructed after every 20 miles with separate places of worship for Hindus and Muslims. These inns acted as halting places of government officials moving from one place to another. Each inn had a water pond by its side for drinking water for the animals / horses. Big canopy trees were also planted so as to provide shade lest the water dried up in scorching summers. Remains of these inns, specially the old trees and ponds can still be seen along the modern GT Road. His established an excellent system of local authorities in 47 provinces (or Sarkars) with separation of criminal judiciary from civil executive under Islamic system of social justice. Hindus were exempted from any religious tax levied on Muslims. He also minted the first Rupiya that was the precursor of the modern rupee. The same name and system is still used for the national currency in Pakistan, India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Mauritius, Maldives, and Seychelles among other countries and even British rulers borrowed some its characteristics. He organised the first professional non-tribal army based on strict disciplinary code of conduct and well defined salary structure. The symbol of excellence of the great Moghal's taste of construction is Taj Mehal and the manifestation of Sher Shah's thinking is Ruhtas Fort-a great fort built for maintaining order and security in North Punjab. This shows the sharp contrast in attitude. All these tasks were accomplished by him in just under 6 years between 1539 and 1544- a time period equal to today's term of a democratic government that our leaders normally find too short to construct a dam even with modern technology and resources. "Such was the state of safety of the highway," observes Nizam-ud-din (Akbar's Mir Bakhshi), who had no reason to be partial towards Sher Shah, "that if any one carried a purse full of gold (pieces) and slept in the desert (deserted places) for nights, there was no need for keeping watch." Mirza Aziz Koka, son of Ataga Khan, and probably Akbar's closest friend and one of the most important mansabdar's of the Mughal Empire (Sher Shah's arch rivals), wrote this to Emperor Jahangir in one of his personal letters to him: "Specially Sher Khan was not an angel (malak) but a king (malik). In six years he gave such stability to the structure (of the empire) that its foundations still survive. He had made India flourish in such a way that the king of Persia and Turan appreciate it, and have a desire to look at it. Hazrat Arsh Ashiyani (Akbar the great) followed his administrative manual (zawabit) for fifty years and did not discontinue them. In the same India due to able administration of the well wishers of the court, nothing is left except rabble and jungles..."

Sher Shah's life style, leadership and interaction with friends and enemies were a classic manifestation of "Pakhtunwali"-the Pashtun way of conduct. He was not a soldier of fortune and unlike most famous historical personalities of that time whether in Asia or in Europe, he didn't inherit any wealth or power from a royal background. He planned his career carefully and tactfully from a humble position to throne of India as the most popular ruler of his time. He started as the caretaker of his father's estate to learn the basics of administration, joined the services of local courts of Bihar to learn the basics of government and then joined the Mughal court to learn about the weaknesses of Mughals and Rajput Courts (his future rivals) who according to him was far from the populace due to corrupt practices and conspiracies involving women, and undemocratic court structures inherited from Mongoloid and Hindu traditions. The accounts of the contemporary historians speak of his belief in himself and uncompromising pride in his cultural values that made him sure of success and gave him a "killer instinct" of "planning like a fox and attacking like a lion". Like a true Pashtun, he was ruthless in his onslaught, fierce in his defence but extremely forgiving of his defeated enemy-a quality of character unknown at his time when enemies used to be decimated or enslaved. His excellent treatment and respect for ladies of Mughal court was testified by the sister of his worst rival Hamayun (Gulbadan Begum, Emperor Akbar's aunt and author of Hamayun Nama). He excelled himself in the study of his religion and Persian classics of that time but despite being an orthodox Muslim and proud Afghan, he was far from intolerant religious extremism and racist ethno-nationalism. On the contrary, he used the true spirit of his religion and cultural values for the benefit of the region that ruled which happened to have more non-Muslims than Muslims and where his own ethnic nation was an absolute minority. His life and achievements gave birth to an idiom that "A true Khan always excel and is a born king"; that is why we see so many individuals called "King Khans" when they excel in sports or entertainment even if they have nothing to do with being a Pashtun.

Today those who associate Pashtuns with extremist Islamic militancy, intolerance, or ignorance in fact do so either due to ignorance propagated by sections of media or the due to the massive impact created by the actions of the foreign elements and ideas that have victimised Pashtuns and their culture more than they have caused any threat or damage to the rest of the world. The elements in fact are the products of the dirty Great Games brought to lands of Pashtuns by the regional and global powers due to their strategic importance. Whether it was the communist aggression or American invasion or the consequent Alqaida inspired reactionary militancy, Pashtun civilisation has nothing to do it nor has it a lot to do with their Islamic faith. Yes Pashtuns indeed has always jealously defended their independence and in fact defeated every imperialist power of their time but have never been imperialistic or intolerant extremists themselves. Whenever they ruled others, they brought stability and prosperity to the region under their rule and displayed a beautiful shade of Muslim civilisation.

No militant extremist idealise Sher Shah who represent an ordinary Pashtun-the common Khan who is the victim of aggression from every single imperialist of the modern history: from British colonialist to communist expansionist and now the American Imperialist and the cost of their constant fight for freedom left them poor and uneducated. The Khan who is a labourer, a watchman or taxi driver in Karachi and gets killed there in gang wars of rival political parties or in his own lands, get blown up in an attack by a suicide bomber or become roasted sandwich in fight between the army and the fanatic extremists who don't get their inspiration from Sher Khan but from twisted doctrines imported from elsewhere in the sacred name of Islam. Yes Sher Khan did inspire and even today inspires many Pashtuns to achieve excellence in adverse circumstances and rise out of dust to skies. Ahmad Shah Abdali (another great 18th century Pashtun ruler) idealised him and established the last stable and prosperous Muslim Kingdom comprising today's Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir when the existence of Muslims were under threat from the rising Hindu revivalism and militancy after the fall of Mughal Empire hence providing stability to the region. Ahmad Shah Abdali writes in a Pashtu couplet:

د حميد او د فريد داوار به بيا شي
چه په تورو پښتانه کړه غوزارونه
The reign of Farid Khan and Hameed Lodhi will come back
Once the Pakhtuns start showing their skills of sword again
Doctor Khan Saib (first Chief Minister of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and then of West Pakistan-bother of Bacha Khan) was a leftist liberal but considered Sher Shah as his inspiration due for being the first "socialist" king and for his personalised management style nevertheless the liberal secularists/ethnic nationalists have nothing to with do with Sher Shah's or Ahmad Shah's religious views. Even the cricketer turned politician Imran Khan (Niazi) term Sher Shah as his ultimate ideal due to his sense of justice and leadership style. Every ambitious Pashtun to his understanding take inspiration from the Real King Khan except the fanatic militant extremists whom unfortunately many think as representative of Pashtuns.

Source : khyber.org

This has been truly inspiring. My mother has studied Islamic and subcontinent history and she is a BIG,BIG fan of Sher Shah Suri.

Its a pity we are not taught about our heroes in schools and that why our people are turning out be headless chicken, ashamed of their of their identity and following heroes of other nations.
 
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This has been truly inspiring. My mother has studied Islamic and subcontinent history and she is a BIG,BIG fan of Sher Shah Suri.

Its a pity we are not taught about our heroes in schools and that why our people are turning out be headless chicken, ashamed of their of their identity and following heroes of other nations.

Our past was so glorious! every province,every inch of our Pak land consists of a hero-----I am proud to be a Pakistani!:)
 
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The fact that no one has the decency to read my posts... then ask questions... :rolleyes:
Lets see you are by birth a Punjabi and criticize attitudes of Punjabis... you are a racist?
Well your posts have more emotional rants than any coherent argument

Now look at what you have said above. Can we get any idea what you are talking about? lol

I am Punjabi pothwari by birth and i crictise the wrong doings of anyone be it punjabi, pashtuns, sindhi or even my own brother , now what it has anything to do with racism. I was just saying that you should not try to be more holy than others as you were asking for right to criticise muhajir. I personally don't look at any Pakistani through ethnic glasses because for me they are all equal and deserve respect and as far as political parties concern be ir ANP, PML, PPP or MQM, i am not neither fan of any of these. All of them are dakoo
 
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