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[waz]

Go SuperHornet or Typhoon guys.

 

[denel]

Mig 21MFs were cutting edge?

They fell to Israeli Mirage IIIs.

How Israel Shot Down 5 Russian MiGs in 3 Minutes

And Moscow was not happy.

nationalinterest.org

Am not counting the dogfights later
when they were felled by F-16s
By the way. These Mig 21s were flown by Soviet pilots.

to counter your claim... was it not PAF volunteers using Mig-21F that down IAF Mirage? Pilot counts.

 

[Michael Corleone]

to counter your claim... was it not PAF volunteers using Mig-21F that down IAF Mirage? Pilot counts.

Hawker hunters. Arabs were pathetic trying to wage a war with more advanced nation. PAF pilots saved any existence of reputation of the Arab world. Have to give em the credit

 

[mb444]

The BAF is being significantly improved with India's blessings.
India hopes to build Bangladesh Air Force into its pet airborne "Gurkhas" , to be used in a future two front war with China and Pakistan.

Indian envoy in Bangladesh meets BAF chief, discusses defence cooperation

Indian High Commissioner in Bangladesh, Riva Ganguly Das on Tuesday met with Bangladesh Air Force chief Masihuzzaman Serniabat and discussed defence cooperation between the two countries

www.business-standard.com

It is good Pakistan is watching these developments.

You are entirely misinformed.....


BD has a defense agreement with China. BD is the second biggest purchaser of Chinese military goods. It is not about to turn anti chinese.

India is a problematic neighbour. BD knows how to deal with it. BD wont be fighting any war on behalf of india. BD weapons purchase all targets india, we just do not officially go around shouting about it. India if it ever fought against the chinese will be broken into smithereens. There is only one superpower in asia and that is china. Also i assume you are not the sharpest tool in the box, india is grooming BD to be a force against china by allowing it to arm itself with chinese weapons!!!! Sure mate....

As to piss poor pakistan. Give it a break, pakistan can barely feed itself. You have zero capacity to sustain any war. Your society is regressing into middle ages, in almost every social parameter you languish at the bottom. You are not a reliable partner for the chinese, you are a liability, the chinese only props you up as not to do so will invite further chaos in the neighbourhood.

 

[denel]

Hawker hunters. Arabs were pathetic trying to wage a war with more advanced nation. PAF pilots saved any existence of reputation of the Arab world. Have to give em the credit

Nope... go and check again with Syrian AF.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Nope... go and check again with Syrian AF.

I can speak for Jordan and Iraq airforce where PAF pilots were employed. Idk if any PAF pilots served in Syrian airforce.

 

[denel]

I can speak for Jordan and Iraq airforce where PAF pilots were employed. Idk if any PAF pilots served in Syrian airforce.

they did. You can watch an entire interview about Mig21F's performance during that engagement.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Soviet Union. You think india that looted all machineries and war booties would do hand me downs?
mig 21 served till 1990. Not bad for first gen soviet export product that was support to last even less

Well...you got a point on aircraft though the BAF started with a 1945 DC-3 and some DH Twin Otters which were hand me downs ( like 120 mm mortars recently handed over by India ) .
Question:
But if the Mig 21 MFs and UMs were so well maintained then why did Bangladesh go for F-6s and that too as hand-me-downs from Pakistan.

Another question:
What is the primary threat to Bangladesh airspace and BAF air superiority and how do advanced fighter jets fit into that doctrine?
My own two cents:
War scenario 1:
The primary (though unlikely) adversary would be Myanmar where the BAF would be facing Su 30 SME and Mig 29B and UBs ( F-7s and JF-17s don't count). BAF would possibly be able to ward off any threats though it is doubtful if it could carry out deep penetration strikes with limited capabilities and the Myanmar Air Forces ground defense.
War scenario 2
A more likely scenario is that India gets into a two front war with China and Pakistan and invokes the 1972 Mutual Defense Treaty ( renewed) demanding Bangladesh participation in the war. In such a case BAF fighter squadrons would be operating from Indian bases mostly in the South East of Pakistan's IB possibly Jamnagar. Most of BAFs operations would be over the Rann of Kutch or Sindh as PAF activity there would be limited due to its preoccupation with defending the LOC. The marshy salt water wasteland is lightly defended and BAF would be facing PAF F-7s mostly and is likely to inflict substantial losses on Pakistan. Of course Pakistan would likely strike BAF operating bases with SOW and since most of the air combat would be WVR and GI assist BAF might loose some aircraft to skilled PAF pilots.,

 

[leonblack08]

Well...you got a point on aircraft though the BAF started with a 1945 DC-3 and some DH Twin Otters which were hand me downs ( like 120 mm mortars recently handed over by India ) .
Question:
But if the Mig 21 MFs and UMs were so well maintained then why did Bangladesh go for F-6s and that too as hand-me-downs from Pakistan.

Another question:
What is the primary threat to Bangladesh airspace and BAF air superiority and how do advanced fighter jets fit into that doctrine?
My own two cents:
War scenario 1:
The primary (though unlikely) adversary would be Myanmar where the BAF would be facing Su 30 SME and Mig 29B and UBs ( F-7s and JF-17s don't count). BAF would possibly be able to ward off any threats though it is doubtful if it could carry out deep penetration strikes with limited capabilities and the Myanmar Air Forces ground defense.
War scenario 2
A more likely scenario is that India gets into a two front war with China and Pakistan and invokes the 1972 Mutual Defense Treaty ( renewed) demanding Bangladesh participation in the war. In such a case BAF fighter squadrons would be operating from Indian bases mostly in the South East of Pakistan's IB possibly Jamnagar. Most of BAFs operations would be over the Rann of Kutch or Sindh as PAF activity there would be limited due to its preoccupation with defending the LOC. The marshy salt water wasteland is lightly defended and BAF would be facing PAF F-7s mostly and is likely to inflict substantial losses on Pakistan. Of course Pakistan would likely strike BAF operating bases with SOW and since most of the air combat would be WVR and GI assist BAF might loose some aircraft to skilled PAF pilots.,

"War scenario 2...most likely.... Bangladesh fighting for India???!!"

Give it a rest bud and go easy on whatever you were smoking.

 

[Baibars_1260]

to counter your claim... was it not PAF volunteers using Mig-21F that down IAF Mirage? Pilot counts.

Correct. Pilots count. PAF shot down an IAF Mig 21 in 1971 on the last day of the war with an F-6.The Mig 21 was not that much of a cutting edge..
If the Indian Air Force had been flying Mig 23s the F-6 would have posed no threat. In 1981 the AfAF and Soviet VVS struck Mujahideen training camps inside Pakistani territory using Su 22s, Su 7s to which the PAF even with their excellent pilots had no response since they were flying F-6s and Mirage IIIs.

"War scenario 2...most likely.... Bangladesh fighting for India???!!"

Give it a rest bud and go easy on whatever you were smoking.

When Kamal Hossain signed the treaty in 1972 (which got renewed in 1997) he must have been smoking something, The Bangabandhu used to smoke a pipe !

 

[Baibars_1260]

I can speak for Jordan and Iraq airforce where PAF pilots were employed. Idk if any PAF pilots served in Syrian airforce.

Sattar Alvi flying Mig 21s

Sattar Alvi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Michael Corleone]

they did. You can watch an entire interview about Mig21F's performance during that engagement.

It would be nice if you could link to some.
all I know about is Syrian and egyptian mig 21 disappointment

Well...you got a point on aircraft though the BAF started with a 1945 DC-3 and some DH Twin Otters which were hand me downs ( like 120 mm mortars recently handed over by India ) .
Question:
But if the Mig 21 MFs and UMs were so well maintained then why did Bangladesh go for F-6s and that too as hand-me-downs from Pakistan.

Another question:
What is the primary threat to Bangladesh airspace and BAF air superiority and how do advanced fighter jets fit into that doctrine?
My own two cents:
War scenario 1:
The primary (though unlikely) adversary would be Myanmar where the BAF would be facing Su 30 SME and Mig 29B and UBs ( F-7s and JF-17s don't count). BAF would possibly be able to ward off any threats though it is doubtful if it could carry out deep penetration strikes with limited capabilities and the Myanmar Air Forces ground defense.
War scenario 2
A more likely scenario is that India gets into a two front war with China and Pakistan and invokes the 1972 Mutual Defense Treaty ( renewed) demanding Bangladesh participation in the war. In such a case BAF fighter squadrons would be operating from Indian bases mostly in the South East of Pakistan's IB possibly Jamnagar. Most of BAFs operations would be over the Rann of Kutch or Sindh as PAF activity there would be limited due to its preoccupation with defending the LOC. The marshy salt water wasteland is lightly defended and BAF would be facing PAF F-7s mostly and is likely to inflict substantial losses on Pakistan. Of course Pakistan would likely strike BAF operating bases with SOW and since most of the air combat would be WVR and GI assist BAF might loose some aircraft to skilled PAF pilots.,

The mortars are brand new, otters, dc3 and allouettes weren’t
We even operated f86 after repairs for a short while which were sabotaged by PAF
We got f7 mb in 1988 during ershad time. At the time we had 1 squadron of mig 21 which were retired in 1990 and a couple squadrons of f6 and a5
Pakistan got f7 at the time and offloaded f6 squadrons as it enjoyed a good relationship with the then president of bd, general ershad.
First scenario is irrelevant as is the second. India has been pressuring us since 2008 to renew and strengthen the defence agreement but Bangladesh’s foreign policy bars it to participate in a foreign war that doesn’t threaten its existence. Bd’s defence policy has been throughly about deterrence... many other states didn’t survive Indian aggression but Bangladesh is nearly on its 50th year being independent much later than those states annexed into india.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Sattar Alvi flying Mig 21s

Sattar Alvi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Now I wonder what Saiful Azam would have been able to do in a mig 21 given hawker hunters made him a flying ace which is an inferior fighter compared to mirage 3

 

[Baibars_1260]

The thing is BD can easily sign such an agreement knowing there is zero risk to BD citizens.

Umm how did it pan out for you with the raymond davies case?

Very good point.
A spineless corrupt Pakistani government negotiated a so-called
"Islamic " court Qasas deal for a payment to the survivors of those murdered. The corrupt illiterate "Islamic" clergy fell in line. Raymond Davis after a brief detention was let go.
The US did not claim immunity under SOFA but cleverly negotiated with a corrupt "Islamic " clergy.
Had Pakistan remained a secular state as envisaged by its founders these sham Islamic courts would have had no jurisdiction and Raymond Davis would have faced the law in a secular court under the Criminal Penal Code.
Which is why I strongly support a secular atheist state for Pakistan.
A sobering thought for you since you like "what aboutism" .
If a Raymond Davis like incident happened in Bangladesh the criminal would walk scot free under SOFA and no court (whether "Islamic" , if there are any) would even be able to ask for a single posha in compensation.

 

[Avicenna]

Very good point.
A spineless corrupt Pakistani government negotiated a so-called
"Islamic " court Qasas deal for a payment to the survivors of those murdered. The corrupt illiterate "Islamic" clergy fell in line. Raymond Davis after a brief detention was let go.
The US did not claim immunity under SOFA but cleverly negotiated with a corrupt "Islamic " clergy.
Had Pakistan remained a secular state as envisaged by its founders these sham Islamic courts would have had no jurisdiction and Raymond Davis would have faced the law in a secular court under the Criminal Penal Code.
Which is why I strongly support a secular atheist state for Pakistan.
A sobering thought for you since you like "what aboutism" .
If a Raymond Davis like incident happened in Bangladesh the criminal would walk scot free under SOFA and no court (whether "Islamic" , if there are any) would even be able to ask for a single posha in compensation.

What's with all this interest in Bangladesh?

If you want a secular atheist Pakistan, you should be giving two sh#ts about little irrelevant Bangladesh as it has next to nothing to do with you.