#backoffindia in Nepal trending in twitterosphere, but why?

[Samudra Manthan]

Official Spokesperson’s response to a query on Nepal
September 23, 2015

In response to a query on the article in the Indian Express today, the Official Spokesperson clarified:

"The article is incorrect. GOI has not handed over any list of specific Constitutional amendments or changes to the Government of Nepal. Without being prescriptive on specific clauses, and as already stated earlier, we continue to urge that issues on which there are differences should be resolved through dialogue in an atmosphere free from violence, and institutionalized in a manner that would enable broad-based ownership and acceptance.”

 

[debottam]

I heard that the main reason behind the protests in Nepal is that Madeshis and Tahrus who make up about 40% of the country's population are given only about 30% of the seats. Is this true? Apparently India is worried that this will spill over into India like what happened to the Tamils in Srilanka.

 

[volcano]

#backoffindia is now most trending topic in Nepal twitterosphere . Many might assume this is Nepal being China's pet and anti-India , but this is far from truth. Here is why Nepalese are trending #backoffindia :
1. Modiji's envoy Jaishanker being sent at last minute to halt constitution drafting process.
Nepal after 8 yrs of political deadlock finally drafted constitution by majority. On Sept 18 , Nepal's major political parties Nepal Congress, UML, Maoist ,Pro monarch (RPP) and various others small parties jointly announced formulagalation of Constitution drafting process. They announced 7 days after i.e. On Asoj 3rd B.S. , Honourable President Ram Baran Yadav would officially draft constitution of Nepal.
PM Modi's envoy to Nepal came 2 days before The official constitution drafting ceremony and advised or ordered politicians to halt constitution drafting process and include the dissatisfied groups in talks.

2. India wants Nepal to draft constitution with 100% consensus. :
The dissatisfied groups are Madhesi parties whose politcs hover around plains of Nepal. They had a humiliating defeat in last election. They have less than 20 representatives out of 601 CA members of Nepal. Other dissatisfied groups are small monarch parties, indigenious parties etc.
Friends, this constitution of Nepal is most democratic constitution ever because it managed to get more than 90% of CA members approval. First time ever in history of world. India itself while drafting constitution only managed to garner only about 67% approval from its CA members. Now friends, do you think 100% approval in any political issues is possible? Then imagine this is whole constitution of more than 300 article being written , how can any country draft it with absolute 100% concensus like India advised us to.
Big parties were continuosly sending invitation to Madhesi parties to stop vandalism and come to talks which they denied. Even the constitution writing process was halted for 2 days after it started and invitation were sent to them for talks. They denied any talks.

3. India advised Nepal to include few points in its constitution and if not done so India indirectly threatened blockade. This is what India advised. :
a. To allow Nepali citizens after naturalization to become PM, president or have higher posts in country. Friends, will India ever allow Sonia Gandhi to become prime minister of India? Only thing thats stopping her is the fact that she is Indian citizen by naturalization .BJP's foreign minister Sushma swaraj herself threatened to go bald if Sonia Gandhi ever becomes prime minister of Nepal. And how can current Indian government advise us to do so.
B. To have representatives in parliament according to population but not both population and geography.
What India and Nepal both has is to have representatives in parliament according to both population and geography. For eg. Sparsely populated sikkim , mizoram gets atleast 1 and heavily populated Bihar has around 30 ( numbers might be not exact) representatives. This is worldwide norm. So, how can India threaten to blockade if we don't go by world norm. Why can India have representatives according to both population and geography where as Nepal needs to have reprsentatives just according to population?

C. If you look at the federal map of Nepal, it is Pradesh 2 and Pardesh 4 which r disssatified. Pradesh 2 wants 3 more districts under it which Pradesh 1 wants too. The population there are however fine with being Pradesh 1. The strike, vandalization in those 3 districts of Pradesh 1 is much less , except in very few 2-3 places. Here people in Pradesh 2 are killing, buring policeman, vandalizing, creating terror for not having 3 districts of pradesh 1, but those 3 districts are comparatively quiet.
Same is with Pradesh 4. However government needs to address Pradesh 4 because a large population of their ethnicity live in 2 districts of pradesh 6 which is not same with Pardesh 2.
Pradesh 2 has its well defined cluster. But a part of cluster of pradesh 4 lies in pradesh 6 .

VS Gorkhaland :
What is happening is Nepal : darjeeling is happy being under w. bengal but sikkim wants darjeeling under it , do u think in such case Anyone should be pressurized to keep darjeeling under sikkim? NO. But thats what India is doing.
Here in gorkhaland, despite having support from almost all the locals, India isnt listening to them but here in Nepal they are advising otherwise and even threatening.

You can see friends India bullied us this time to have something in our constitution that even India doesnt believe in.
India believes in being democratic country, but 90%+ approval from CA members was not democratic enough. Likewise I have mentioned various other points too.

Here is my suggestion : Modiji has capacity to become one of the most influential leader of the world but threatening a small, sovereign neighbour for blockade if what India advised werent meet isnt democracy. This will give a very negative bad image of Modiji .
MOdiji should stay away from Indian beuraucrats working in Nepal if he is to be again loved and liked by us. We welcomed him whole heartedly when he was in Nepal for the first time and will prefer to do so again and again. But modiji used most non democratic way to threaten the most democratic process after listening to most corrupt , unproffesional bureaucrats of Indian embassy.

Thanks for such an explained post. Its your country your rules. I don't understand what the hell is happening.

 

[Viva]

I heard that the main reason behind the protests in Nepal is that Madeshis and Tahrus who make up about 40% of the country's population are given only about 30% of the seats. Is this true? Apparently India is worried that this will spill over into India like what happened to the Tamils in Srilanka.

I heard that the main reason behind the protests in Nepal is that Madeshis and Tahrus who make up about 40% of the country's population are given only about 30% of the seats. Is this true? Apparently India is worried that this will spill over into India like what happened to the Tamils in Srilanka.

Brother we have a system just like India, where geography and demographics combinely determines the CA representatives.
If We go just by population , if sikkim is to given 1 CA representative , UP would have 400 CA members.
Do you really think thats possible? Thats what madhesis are demanding. The madhes just occupies 17% of total Nepal and gets 10 seats less than Rest 83% of hilly and mountain regions combined.

 

[Kaniska]

#backoffindia is now most trending topic in Nepal twitterosphere . Many might assume this is Nepal being China's pet and anti-India , but this is far from truth. Here is why Nepalese are trending #backoffindia :
1. Modiji's envoy Jaishanker being sent at last minute to halt constitution drafting process.
Nepal after 8 yrs of political deadlock finally drafted constitution by majority. On Sept 18 , Nepal's major political parties Nepal Congress, UML, Maoist ,Pro monarch (RPP) and various others small parties jointly announced formulagalation of Constitution drafting process. They announced 7 days after i.e. On Asoj 3rd B.S. , Honourable President Ram Baran Yadav would officially draft constitution of Nepal.
PM Modi's envoy to Nepal came 2 days before The official constitution drafting ceremony and advised or ordered politicians to halt constitution drafting process and include the dissatisfied groups in talks.

2. India wants Nepal to draft constitution with 100% consensus. :
The dissatisfied groups are Madhesi parties whose politcs hover around plains of Nepal. They had a humiliating defeat in last election. They have less than 20 representatives out of 601 CA members of Nepal. Other dissatisfied groups are small monarch parties, indigenious parties etc.
Friends, this constitution of Nepal is most democratic constitution ever because it managed to get more than 90% of CA members approval. First time ever in history of world. India itself while drafting constitution only managed to garner only about 67% approval from its CA members. Now friends, do you think 100% approval in any political issues is possible? Then imagine this is whole constitution of more than 300 article being written , how can any country draft it with absolute 100% concensus like India advised us to.
Big parties were continuosly sending invitation to Madhesi parties to stop vandalism and come to talks which they denied. Even the constitution writing process was halted for 2 days after it started and invitation were sent to them for talks. They denied any talks.

3. India advised Nepal to include few points in its constitution and if not done so India indirectly threatened blockade. This is what India advised. :
a. To allow Nepali citizens after naturalization to become PM, president or have higher posts in country. Friends, will India ever allow Sonia Gandhi to become prime minister of India? Only thing thats stopping her is the fact that she is Indian citizen by naturalization .BJP's foreign minister Sushma swaraj herself threatened to go bald if Sonia Gandhi ever becomes prime minister of Nepal. And how can current Indian government advise us to do so.
B. To have representatives in parliament according to population but not both population and geography.
What India and Nepal both has is to have representatives in parliament according to both population and geography. For eg. Sparsely populated sikkim , mizoram gets atleast 1 and heavily populated Bihar has around 30 ( numbers might be not exact) representatives. This is worldwide norm. So, how can India threaten to blockade if we don't go by world norm. Why can India have representatives according to both population and geography where as Nepal needs to have reprsentatives just according to population?

C. If you look at the federal map of Nepal, it is Pradesh 2 and Pardesh 4 which r disssatified. Pradesh 2 wants 3 more districts under it which Pradesh 1 wants too. The population there are however fine with being Pradesh 1. The strike, vandalization in those 3 districts of Pradesh 1 is much less , except in very few 2-3 places. Here people in Pradesh 2 are killing, buring policeman, vandalizing, creating terror for not having 3 districts of pradesh 1, but those 3 districts are comparatively quiet.
Same is with Pradesh 4. However government needs to address Pradesh 4 because a large population of their ethnicity live in 2 districts of pradesh 6 which is not same with Pardesh 2.
Pradesh 2 has its well defined cluster. But a part of cluster of pradesh 4 lies in pradesh 6 .

VS Gorkhaland :
What is happening is Nepal : darjeeling is happy being under w. bengal but sikkim wants darjeeling under it , do u think in such case Anyone should be pressurized to keep darjeeling under sikkim? NO. But thats what India is doing.
Here in gorkhaland, despite having support from almost all the locals, India isnt listening to them but here in Nepal they are advising otherwise and even threatening.

You can see friends India bullied us this time to have something in our constitution that even India doesnt believe in.
India believes in being democratic country, but 90%+ approval from CA members was not democratic enough. Likewise I have mentioned various other points too.

Here is my suggestion : Modiji has capacity to become one of the most influential leader of the world but threatening a small, sovereign neighbour for blockade if what India advised werent meet isnt democracy. This will give a very negative bad image of Modiji .
MOdiji should stay away from Indian beuraucrats working in Nepal if he is to be again loved and liked by us. We welcomed him whole heartedly when he was in Nepal for the first time and will prefer to do so again and again. But modiji used most non democratic way to threaten the most democratic process after listening to most corrupt , unproffesional bureaucrats of Indian embassy.

Nepal is a independent state. You should do whatever good for you...But remember, blaming India, does not solve your own contradiction in your soceity...Just ignore whatever Indian parties are saying and move ahead with the steps whatever makes peaceful and prosperous Nepal. It will be last thing on the earth, where any Indian people will want any harm or any thing wrong about Nepal. I am not sure what Indian Gon says or does it, but from Indian peoples point of view, we never even imagine that we will try to make any harm to you...Now, it is upto you people to create your own perception whatever suits you..

 

[Viva]

Nepal is a independent state. You should do whatever good for you...But remember, blaming India, does not solve your own contradiction in your soceity...Just ignore whatever Indian parties are saying and move ahead with the steps whatever makes peaceful and prosperous Nepal. It will be last thing on the earth, where any Indian people will want any harm or any thing wrong about Nepal. I am not sure what Indian Gon says or does it, but from Indian peoples point of view, we never even imagine that we will try to make any harm to you...Now, it is upto you people to create your own perception whatever suits you..

Respect to you. If you read tweets Nepali have clearly said we are not against Indian people but against India's one act ie interference in its internal matter.

Firstly,I salute & congratulate what Nepal has done to it's constitution & for completing it & getting it right(or at least most of it), especially regarding secularism & sanatana dharma

& it's really nice to know that you have banned eating the cow & made it part of your constitution & given rights to sexual minorities. Something which even India hasn't done.

& by the way be very careful regarding the missionaries, just because converting is illegal means that it will stop them.
& especially with the way the Commies get along with the missionaries, they get along very well when it comes to taking on the Sanatana Dharma
The Church also tells new converts to stick to their old religion "officially" or atleast on paper, but in the safety of their homes/fellow christians call themselves christians & work towards spreading their religion.
This has happened a lot in my home state in South India & in the rest of my country & I am sure is already happening in Nepal too . So be vigilant!!

Indian people have nothing against Nepal or Nepalis. Many Indian see Nepalis as their friends & brothers. Many Nepali people work in India in multiple fields & aren't discriminated agaisnt. Nepali is even an official language here seeing the close friendship that India & Nepal had... or at least in the past as I think Nepali people hate India these days
Also The Govt. of India is not one to force/ram it's way down the throat of others..

India's concerns arise from the fact that the Madhesis are protesting against this constitution in large numbers , & any instability in Nepal especially in the areas bordering India which are Madheshi-dominated will affect India too sooner or later

Yes not everybody in India agreed to it's constitution when it came up to the vote.
But nobody protested in large numbers like the Madheshis are doing right now - whether it be the Tamils,Telugus,Muslims,Hindi speakers, Dalits,Tribals,North-East Indians etc.. or accused the constitution of being against them,their language,their culture etc

also
"The main crux of the problem from the Indian viewpoint is that the Madhesis have reacted violently to their country’s new constitution which had been in the making for last seven years. Madhesis, along with the Tharus, form the bulk of population of Terai. The Terai region constitutes one-fifth of Nepal’s landmass, but accounts for over half of the nation's population. The Madhesis have been fighting for equal representation in the country's political structure and the new constitution, according to them, has failed to meet their aspirations."
Nepal gets a new constitution, but here's why it has got India worried - Firstpost
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Ajit Doval wades into the frame as India calls its Nepal Envoy for consultations - Firstpost

The high-profile National Security Adviser Ajit Doval has been brought into the frame by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the recently triggered Nepal crisis as India’s worst fears have finally come true in the landlocked Himalayan country forcing India to call its ambassador in Nepal Ranjit Rae to New Delhi for consultations.

China, it transpires, has been behind India’s latest diplomatic embarrassment as Nepali politicians like Khagada Prasad Sharma Oli, better known as KP Oli, have cleverly played the familiar China card against India in the recent promulgation of Nepal’s new constitution.


Protests in Nepal. AP

With the help of Nepalese leaders like Oli and his comrades China has successfully managed to score a crucial brownie point over India in the constitution episode.

China has made deep forays into the Nepalese political establishment that explains Kathmandu cocking a snook at New Delhi on the sensitive issue of promulgation of Nepal’s secular and democratic constitution.

Oli, the top leader of Communist Party of Nepal (Unified-Marxist - Leninist) , has been in the forefront of Nepalese left-leaning politicians in handing a most severe diplomatic embarrassment to India by promulgating Nepal's new constitution without addressing Indian concerns.

The government of India has got classified reports from Kathmandu suggesting that Oli has furthered China’s agenda in promulgation of Nepalese constitution which largely keeps the Madhesis under-represented in Nepal’s polity. Since Nepal's Madhes region borders India the Madhesis are looked upon by China as Indian stooges and therefore their political and demographic rights have been ignored in the Nepalese constitution.

The Madhesis have been demanding their representation in Nepal's political and parliamentary architecture as per their demographic strength and not on the basis of the area they are populated in. The Madhesis account for over 50 percent of Nepal’s population though area-wise they account for only 20 percent of the total Nepalese landmass.

China looks upon the Madhesis as India’s pocket borough and therefore a threat to its influence in Nepal.

This explains India’s strong reaction on 21 September on Nepal's political development, the third in as many days. Here is the complete text of the Ministry of External Affairs on Nepal with pithy analysis in parenthesis after each paragraph.

“We are deeply concerned over the incidents of violence resulting in death and injury in regions of Nepal bordering India following the promulgation of Constitution yesterday. Our freight companies and transporters have also voiced complaints about the difficulties they are facing in movement within Nepal and their security concerns, due to the prevailing unrest.”

(Decoder: India is unhappy and in many ways it conveys not just anger but also the state of things which have gone beyond India’s control)

“We had repeatedly cautioned the political leadership of Nepal to take urgent steps to defuse the tension in these regions. This, if done in a timely manner, could have avoided these serious developments.”

(Decoder: Mark the verb “had”. It denotes that more than India it is Nepal's loss.)

“We have consistently argued that all sections of Nepal must reach a consensus on the political challenges confronting them. The issues facing Nepal are political in nature and cannot be resolved through force. We still hope that initiatives will be taken by Nepal’s leadership to effectively and credibly address the causes underlying the present state of confrontation.”

(Decoder: Key words here are “all sections” and “still hope”, the former implying the Madhesis and the latter showing that all is not lost and India will continue to deal with the challenges in a hands-on fashion.)

The bottom line is this. Now that Oli’s antics have put a spanner in the works of India on the issue of Nepal's new constitution, the Indian response has gone beyond the MEA's usual conventional bounds and Oli’s shenanigans are now under a scanner by National Security Adviser Ajit Doval.
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& yes Commies in many countries are in China's pockets including the ones in India(CPI,CPM etc). Am sure the same applies for the communists in Nepal which neighbours China.

@Viva I have read the comments of many Madheshi online who strongly support this agitation, every one of them says that this constitution is against them & their people

& by the way here are some comments which I read from Madhesis online.. Is what is being said in it true??
1)Moron,at least know the problem.Madhesis who make up 50% of Nepal's populations are not represented according to their population in the Legislative bodies.These areas border India and any instability will affect India too.I can get that you are anti-BJP but dont be anti-India and stop making anti-Indian remarks.
Imagine a state like UP given only 20 seats in LS but Goa given 120 seats.Its as outrageous as that.
At least know the details of the problem before you start blabbering.
-Madheshi living in India

2)
Unfortunately the article has twisted the fight of Madhesh; It's fight for identity and rights not even closely related to religion .I'm appalled the way article has tried give communal colour for genuine fight for the rights

We'r fighting with the STATE for equal rights and why we're considered as second class citizens .

Lets come to the point why Madhesis ,Tharus , Dalits feels persecuted and discriminated by state .How they have been treated over the time .

1. Until 1958, Terai residents had to get visa to visit Kathmandu, people of same country were treated as foreigners.

2. In 1992, during convention of Nepali Congress in Jhapa, then Prim eMinister Girija Prasad Koirala announced that the ban on madhesis in army would be removed so that every community would get a share in national security. There had been unannounced ban on Madhesis in Nepalese army since the time of Prithvi Narayan Shah. Prithvi Narayan Shah followed an undeclared principle to exclude the terai not only in army force but also from the other high-level key posts of the government.( Still we madhesi remember him as father of nation)

3. Law had been different in 1968.. example in article (section) 152 of concerning murder, Nepalese from Hills could get bail for Rs.10-25 whereas Terai residents had to pay Rs.100.

4. In 1964, In order to weaken the social structure of Terai, the state distributed land of Terai in Jhapa, Sunsari, Morang, Chitwon, Nawalparasi, Dang, Bardia, Kailali and Kanchanpur to many people with Nepalese origin from foreign places like Assam, Tibet, Banaras, Darjaling,Barma, Bhutan and others. The indigenous people like Satar, Rajbanshi, Tharu, Dhimal, Jhagad, Gangai and others were displaced and they had to go to India for refuge.

5. Till today there has been negligible or no Madhesi's presence in all the state bodies . (CDO referred to as District collector of 75 districts are upper hilly caste peoples till today. There has never been any Finance Minister, Prime minister , Home Minister (Except One ) ,Foreign Minister(Except one ) from these 50% of the population.

6. Its hard to find Madhesi as chief of any government office. In sort they are fighting for their identity and state is not willing to accept them . They're fighting because the surname matters more than merit even now for promotion or jobs in Government bodies .

There is unsaid rule by Ruling class (esp . Bahunn & Chettris ) to blame foreign hands in every thing and evrything turns fine .They stoke hyper -nationalism and thats how they have been ruling over Nepal

Currently , There has been huge protests all over Madhesh(Terai-Plane region) over Constitution Promulgation . So many People were assassinated by police over point blank range ; mainly head shots & chest shots over. State didn't honor any of the past agreements and the provisions of the Interim Constitution on which second constitution assembly based .Nevertheless Madhesis and Tharus are fighting for their rights .


LET ME REPEAT, I have nothing against Nepal or it's ethnicities & nor do any Indians or the GOI.
I am just pointing out India's concerns+the struggle of the Madheshi people. I didn't even know what madheshi was until this fight broke out.
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Some curious questions:-
1)What us the %age of people in Nepal who hate India??
2)What are the TRUE ethnic demographics of Nepal(madheshi,dalit,Pahadi,janajati etc) ?? Everybody is saying something or the other which has made me VERY confused. & can u give me some sort of official link..
3)Is Modi really popular in Nepal?? Why? After all isn't India hated by many Nepalis?
& how popular is he? More than the local nepali polticos #justjoking

& once again my sincere congratulations to Nepal for getting it's constitution in place (or atleast most of it seeing the Madheshi agitation).

Yes some Indian grounds may not be justified especially the naturalisation one,
But I will say one last time India's main concerns are regarding the Madheshis & China's interference. That's it

Awaiting your reply

My advise again : Modiji should not listen to same bureaucrats working in Nepal who had a big role in spoiling Indo-Nepal relation which peaked during IK Gujral's time and then during modiji's. After this steps Nepali are shocked and not happy with modiji. But what I would like to believe is that he got cousnelling from wrong people.
And brother KP Oli hasn't said anything wrong about India. He said India is our good nieghbour and will welcome our constitution. If you ever want to know about Nepal, please read to Local newspaper in english.Indian journalist working in Nepal cant be trusted because they are biased, they have agendas. They are now saying 52% people are against it, only 4-5 districts out of 75 districts are protesting. Please refer any local english daily. You will see teh truth. Go through facebook pages of Nepal, you will see the truth. Only madhesh1 is very unhappy because they want someone else's candy. They want Jhapa, but jhapa is celebrating and welcoming the constitution. They want kailali, kanchanpur, both have majority hill population who doesnt want to be under madhesh. They are not ready to listen what people there wants. CA members from those areas dont want their districts be under madhesh because their cluster matches that of hill. how practical would it be for pakistan to stage protest because they couldnt have kashmir? If kashmiri wants to be under pakistan perhaps it should be considered, but if kashmiri dont then why should pakistani vandalize in pakistan. Pakistani would never do that because they know how impractical that is but not our madhesi leaders.
Brahmins of hills and brahmins of madhes are both most educated but brahmin of hills ie bahuns have 12% of Nepalese population and Brahmin of Madhesh had 1% , kshatriya of hills are 16% , and alot of them are also educated too, which is causing the issue. Here 1% madheshi brahmins never had any less, have managed to be on higher posts but complains bringing rest poor madhesis on picture. I will remind you again these leaders are not ready to provide inclusion specifically in the name of madhesi dalits ,madhesi muslimwho are poorest of poor and they also Form majority.

India should not be concerned on madhesis, we have kept quiet on gorkhaland issue and hope India to be quiet on madhes issue too. This is our peak time of instability as 100% consensus is not possible in any political issue and I hope it will pass if India doesnt take sides.
My respect and love to you.
Thank you for listening. If you have any suspicion i will clear it for you anytime with proof if possible.

 

[Viva]

Firstly,I salute & congratulate what Nepal has done to it's constitution & for completing it & getting it right(or at least most of it), especially regarding secularism & sanatana dharma

& it's really nice to know that you have banned eating the cow & made it part of your constitution & given rights to sexual minorities. Something which even India hasn't done.

& by the way be very careful regarding the missionaries, just because converting is illegal means that it will stop them.
& especially with the way the Commies get along with the missionaries, they get along very well when it comes to taking on the Sanatana Dharma
The Church also tells new converts to stick to their old religion "officially" or atleast on paper, but in the safety of their homes/fellow christians call themselves christians & work towards spreading their religion.
This has happened a lot in my home state in South India & in the rest of my country & I am sure is already happening in Nepal too . So be vigilant!!

Indian people have nothing against Nepal or Nepalis. Many Indian see Nepalis as their friends & brothers. Many Nepali people work in India in multiple fields & aren't discriminated agaisnt. Nepali is even an official language here seeing the close friendship that India & Nepal had... or at least in the past as I think Nepali people hate India these days
Also The Govt. of India is not one to force/ram it's way down the throat of others..

India's concerns arise from the fact that the Madhesis are protesting against this constitution in large numbers , & any instability in Nepal especially in the areas bordering India which are Madheshi-dominated will affect India too sooner or later

Yes not everybody in India agreed to it's constitution when it came up to the vote.
But nobody protested in large numbers like the Madheshis are doing right now - whether it be the Tamils,Telugus,Muslims,Hindi speakers, Dalits,Tribals,North-East Indians etc.. or accused the constitution of being against them,their language,their culture etc

also
"The main crux of the problem from the Indian viewpoint is that the Madhesis have reacted violently to their country’s new constitution which had been in the making for last seven years. Madhesis, along with the Tharus, form the bulk of population of Terai. The Terai region constitutes one-fifth of Nepal’s landmass, but accounts for over half of the nation's population. The Madhesis have been fighting for equal representation in the country's political structure and the new constitution, according to them, has failed to meet their aspirations."
Nepal gets a new constitution, but here's why it has got India worried - Firstpost
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read this article too:-
Ajit Doval wades into the frame as India calls its Nepal Envoy for consultations - Firstpost

The high-profile National Security Adviser Ajit Doval has been brought into the frame by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the recently triggered Nepal crisis as India’s worst fears have finally come true in the landlocked Himalayan country forcing India to call its ambassador in Nepal Ranjit Rae to New Delhi for consultations.

China, it transpires, has been behind India’s latest diplomatic embarrassment as Nepali politicians like Khagada Prasad Sharma Oli, better known as KP Oli, have cleverly played the familiar China card against India in the recent promulgation of Nepal’s new constitution.


Protests in Nepal. AP

With the help of Nepalese leaders like Oli and his comrades China has successfully managed to score a crucial brownie point over India in the constitution episode.

China has made deep forays into the Nepalese political establishment that explains Kathmandu cocking a snook at New Delhi on the sensitive issue of promulgation of Nepal’s secular and democratic constitution.

Oli, the top leader of Communist Party of Nepal (Unified-Marxist - Leninist) , has been in the forefront of Nepalese left-leaning politicians in handing a most severe diplomatic embarrassment to India by promulgating Nepal's new constitution without addressing Indian concerns.

The government of India has got classified reports from Kathmandu suggesting that Oli has furthered China’s agenda in promulgation of Nepalese constitution which largely keeps the Madhesis under-represented in Nepal’s polity. Since Nepal's Madhes region borders India the Madhesis are looked upon by China as Indian stooges and therefore their political and demographic rights have been ignored in the Nepalese constitution.

The Madhesis have been demanding their representation in Nepal's political and parliamentary architecture as per their demographic strength and not on the basis of the area they are populated in. The Madhesis account for over 50 percent of Nepal’s population though area-wise they account for only 20 percent of the total Nepalese landmass.

China looks upon the Madhesis as India’s pocket borough and therefore a threat to its influence in Nepal.

This explains India’s strong reaction on 21 September on Nepal's political development, the third in as many days. Here is the complete text of the Ministry of External Affairs on Nepal with pithy analysis in parenthesis after each paragraph.

“We are deeply concerned over the incidents of violence resulting in death and injury in regions of Nepal bordering India following the promulgation of Constitution yesterday. Our freight companies and transporters have also voiced complaints about the difficulties they are facing in movement within Nepal and their security concerns, due to the prevailing unrest.”

(Decoder: India is unhappy and in many ways it conveys not just anger but also the state of things which have gone beyond India’s control)

“We had repeatedly cautioned the political leadership of Nepal to take urgent steps to defuse the tension in these regions. This, if done in a timely manner, could have avoided these serious developments.”

(Decoder: Mark the verb “had”. It denotes that more than India it is Nepal's loss.)

“We have consistently argued that all sections of Nepal must reach a consensus on the political challenges confronting them. The issues facing Nepal are political in nature and cannot be resolved through force. We still hope that initiatives will be taken by Nepal’s leadership to effectively and credibly address the causes underlying the present state of confrontation.”

(Decoder: Key words here are “all sections” and “still hope”, the former implying the Madhesis and the latter showing that all is not lost and India will continue to deal with the challenges in a hands-on fashion.)

The bottom line is this. Now that Oli’s antics have put a spanner in the works of India on the issue of Nepal's new constitution, the Indian response has gone beyond the MEA's usual conventional bounds and Oli’s shenanigans are now under a scanner by National Security Adviser Ajit Doval.
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& yes Commies in many countries are in China's pockets including the ones in India(CPI,CPM etc). Am sure the same applies for the communists in Nepal which neighbours China.

@Viva I have read the comments of many Madheshi online who strongly support this agitation, every one of them says that this constitution is against them & their people

& by the way here are some comments which I read from Madhesis online.. Is what is being said in it true??
1)Moron,at least know the problem.Madhesis who make up 50% of Nepal's populations are not represented according to their population in the Legislative bodies.These areas border India and any instability will affect India too.I can get that you are anti-BJP but dont be anti-India and stop making anti-Indian remarks.
Imagine a state like UP given only 20 seats in LS but Goa given 120 seats.Its as outrageous as that.
At least know the details of the problem before you start blabbering.
-Madheshi living in India

2)
Unfortunately the article has twisted the fight of Madhesh; It's fight for identity and rights not even closely related to religion .I'm appalled the way article has tried give communal colour for genuine fight for the rights

We'r fighting with the STATE for equal rights and why we're considered as second class citizens .

Lets come to the point why Madhesis ,Tharus , Dalits feels persecuted and discriminated by state .How they have been treated over the time .

1. Until 1958, Terai residents had to get visa to visit Kathmandu, people of same country were treated as foreigners.

2. In 1992, during convention of Nepali Congress in Jhapa, then Prim eMinister Girija Prasad Koirala announced that the ban on madhesis in army would be removed so that every community would get a share in national security. There had been unannounced ban on Madhesis in Nepalese army since the time of Prithvi Narayan Shah. Prithvi Narayan Shah followed an undeclared principle to exclude the terai not only in army force but also from the other high-level key posts of the government.( Still we madhesi remember him as father of nation)

3. Law had been different in 1968.. example in article (section) 152 of concerning murder, Nepalese from Hills could get bail for Rs.10-25 whereas Terai residents had to pay Rs.100.

4. In 1964, In order to weaken the social structure of Terai, the state distributed land of Terai in Jhapa, Sunsari, Morang, Chitwon, Nawalparasi, Dang, Bardia, Kailali and Kanchanpur to many people with Nepalese origin from foreign places like Assam, Tibet, Banaras, Darjaling,Barma, Bhutan and others. The indigenous people like Satar, Rajbanshi, Tharu, Dhimal, Jhagad, Gangai and others were displaced and they had to go to India for refuge.

5. Till today there has been negligible or no Madhesi's presence in all the state bodies . (CDO referred to as District collector of 75 districts are upper hilly caste peoples till today. There has never been any Finance Minister, Prime minister , Home Minister (Except One ) ,Foreign Minister(Except one ) from these 50% of the population.

6. Its hard to find Madhesi as chief of any government office. In sort they are fighting for their identity and state is not willing to accept them . They're fighting because the surname matters more than merit even now for promotion or jobs in Government bodies .

There is unsaid rule by Ruling class (esp . Bahunn & Chettris ) to blame foreign hands in every thing and evrything turns fine .They stoke hyper -nationalism and thats how they have been ruling over Nepal

Currently , There has been huge protests all over Madhesh(Terai-Plane region) over Constitution Promulgation . So many People were assassinated by police over point blank range ; mainly head shots & chest shots over. State didn't honor any of the past agreements and the provisions of the Interim Constitution on which second constitution assembly based .Nevertheless Madhesis and Tharus are fighting for their rights .


LET ME REPEAT, I have nothing against Nepal or it's ethnicities & nor do any Indians or the GOI.
I am just pointing out India's concerns+the struggle of the Madheshi people. I didn't even know what madheshi was until this fight broke out.
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Some curious questions:-
1)What us the %age of people in Nepal who hate India??
2)What are the TRUE ethnic demographics of Nepal(madheshi,dalit,Pahadi,janajati etc) ?? Everybody is saying something or the other which has made me VERY confused. & can u give me some sort of official link..
3)Is Modi really popular in Nepal?? Why? After all isn't India hated by many Nepalis?
& how popular is he? More than the local nepali polticos #justjoking

& once again my sincere congratulations to Nepal for getting it's constitution in place (or atleast most of it seeing the Madheshi agitation).

Yes some Indian grounds may not be justified especially the naturalisation one,
But I will say one last time India's main concerns are regarding the Madheshis & China's interference. That's it

Awaiting your reply

I wrote a whole bunch but half got deleted. Will write again, phew. This is forst part of reply
Ill go to comments
1. 52 % lives in madhes but not all are madhesi. For eg. Lets say 20% of population of India that includes bengali,bihari, punjabi, maharastran live in maharastra but marathi asking for 20% inlcusion just for marathi people , is it fair? This is what madhesi wants.
Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography. What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim. If we go what madhesi wants for 1 CA member in sikkim, you will have 400 CA members from UP and if you decrease num of CA members from UP and go by population then sikkim will have no CA. Is it fair? Madhes occupies 17% of Nepal's area but it will have only 10 members less than 83% hilly and mountain region combined. They think this is not fair. Do you?
2. There is officially no ban on madhesis to be part of army as of today. They want different regiment for madhesis, but Nepal has no specific regiment based on ethnicity. Madhesi are very similar to bihar. Are bihari banned in army in India? But are there biharis in Indian army? Same is the condition here in Nepal. They are jot banned but they dont try either. Since its not official, you call it unannounced. So easy.

3. I would not want to discuss with someone who brings in laws from way back. During then sati system and bonded labour was also legal in Nepal. We abolished and fought against that system long ago. Imagine someone discussing and questioning law during british India. If you have dissatisfaction over current constitution then come discuss.
Do you know back then us "unannounced ruling caste "( bahun and chettri) werent allowed to attend schools in Nepal. We had to go to India if we wanted to study.

4. Most disgusting and ignorant commentator. King mahendra eradicated malaria and shifted hill people from hardships of Nepali hills to fertile , arable terai. These terai forest were uninhabitable and no one lived there due to malaria except tharus who are malaria resistant. Our lives became easier compared to hills.
There have been no Nepali origin foreign returnee from assam , burma,bhutan etc. if you find any about this please let me know.. Only returnee were Nepali speaking bhutanese people who left bhutan during ethnic cleansing of around 1990 . These bhutanes refugee were stationed at refugee camp of Jhapa. They were provided no citizenship hence no land. Today they are living in US and Canada as a part of refugee resettlement program.
Infact 40 lakhs citizenship were distributed to madhesis at once in 2008. These 40 lakhs were denied citizenship before that because they couldnt prove themselves to be nepali national. 40 lakhs were distributed without any homeworks done.

5. He needs to be reminded that current President, vice president is Madhesi. last chief judiciary was madhesi. There have been numerous ministers who were madhesi. Ex vice prime miniter was madhesi. And there are many many madhesi teachers, doctors. Supreme court have many madhesi judges. Current Nepal medical council president is madhesi, fncci ( corporate federation) current president is madhesi, damn it. There are too many madhesis enjoying higher posts. I dont remeber others. These are to be named few. You cannot bring one CDO example and then comment. Id have to confirm about this though .
50% population is alie lie lie. Please google Nepal demographics, 50% lives in madhesh but ut also includes pahadi aryan and pahadi janajati.

6. As a matter of fact jha, singh, mehta, yadav , mahato , mishra seems to be only surname that represents 30% of madhesh population. It is imp for them not for us.
Government has provided 22% inclusion for madhesi. But madhesi are not ready to have inclusion as madhesi barhmin, madhesi kayastha, madhesi dalit, madhesi musahar, madhesi muslim.
Madhesh has highest social disparity in Nepal. Madhesh is samelike bihar of India. Its problem, its issues everything.
Madhesh has upright pyramid i.e. Upper caste are less and lower caste are more in num.
hill however has inverted pyramid there are more upper caste and less lower caste.
Madhesi high castes have high HDI but they are picturingg poor lower caste madhesis to gain inclusion which they are not happy to share with same poor people. They want inclusion acc to % of population. But they dont want inclusion acc to % of madhesi dalit, madhesi muslim . Upper caste madhesi wants to exploit the reservation that is for poor , socially backward people.
Madhesis leaders are okay with inclusion of madhesi dalits if they are to given again separate inclusion under dalit, but it shouldnt be within 22%. Agar madhesi dalit aur muslim ka population minus karoge toh , upper caste madhesi ka population bahat kum hojayega. Yeh log madhesi dalit ka population dikhakar reservation maagte hai aur bolte hai agar madhesi dalit ko specific reservation chahiye toh separte inclusion banaa or dalit reservation mei inclide karna. Aaj tak yeh dalit reservationmein sirf hill dalit ke liye hai kyun ki yeh hill dalit ko population dekh kar banaya gaya hai.

7. If India asked for ammendments , dont you think this is over stepping? We spoke against this, this is not hyper nationalism. Its just nationalism

8. First madhesi leaders announced that 50 lakhs Would be provided to those who were killed during protest.
Then happened tikapur incident, where police didnt open fire , which led to torturous killing of 17 policeman including 2 yrs old kid of a police. They burned police alive, shoved weapons on them.
These protesters also dragged injured policemen from ambulance, chased him and killed him by beating.
The protesters have went violent.
And on other protests after this, when protesters tried to break curfew police opened fire no make sure the previous incident would not happen. Thus manh got killed. See on such protest in gujarat during patel uprising , 7 people were shit dead in a day. This happens worldwide. If you dont open fire they would come kill you.
There is no account of police beat these protesters burnt down, they burnt down houses of many CA members.


If Pakistani are protesting , vandalizing for kashmir and kashmir are silent, then is it paksitan'is right? Or stupidity?
if that is not pakistani's fight for right than same goes for madhesi.
They want foreigners to get higher posts, and this is their right too?
Tharu's fight is understandable, but madhesis fight isnt.because kailali does have large nume of thatus and isnt current not under tharuhat.


Time to answer ur ques :
1. Rulers earlier promoted anti india feeling to prevent sikkimisation in Nepal. But today with connectivity tehir attitides are changing, if not modiji wouldnt be getting such warm welcome.
2. Need to google to say true, but usually we go by 1/3rd khas arya ( pahadi) , 1/3 rd madhesi + tharu, 1/3rd janajti

3.nepalese hate their politician lol. Yes modji is very popular. But his current step made him a lil unpopular.
And this protest is only in 4-5 districts out of 75. 50% peopel are unhappy is total false news.

 

[Kaniska]

Dear friend...Thanks for explaining so nicely about your internal situation...Honestly i am not really worried to understand what is your political dynaimic inside your country...But my worry is that you should not do anything that will give foot hold Indias enemeny nation...This is the only thing that matters to Indian people..Now wheather you give share to Madhesi people or not, it is something an non issue for me...as long as their protest does not impact the border areas of India...

So you sort our own issues rather allowing other external nations such as China or Pakistan to enter into your politics...Then absloyrely, we do not even want to know what is happening in your nation...I hope you got my point...

I wrote a whole bunch but half got deleted. Will write again, phew. This is forst part of reply
Ill go to comments
1. 52 % lives in madhes but not all are madhesi. For eg. Lets say 20% of population of India that includes bengali,bihari, punjabi, maharastran live in maharastra but marathi asking for 20% inlcusion just for marathi people , is it fair? This is what madhesi wants.
Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography. What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim. If we go what madhesi wants for 1 CA member in sikkim, you will have 400 CA members from UP and if you decrease num of CA members from UP and go by population then sikkim will have no CA. Is it fair? Madhes occupies 17% of Nepal's area but it will have only 10 members less than 83% hilly and mountain region combined. They think this is not fair. Do you?
2. There is officially no ban on madhesis to be part of army as of today. They want different regiment for madhesis, but Nepal has no specific regiment based on ethnicity. Madhesi are very similar to bihar. Are bihari banned in army in India? But are there biharis in Indian army? Same is the condition here in Nepal. They are jot banned but they dont try either. Since its not official, you call it unannounced. So easy.

3. I would not want to discuss with someone who brings in laws from way back. During then sati system and bonded labour was also legal in Nepal. We abolished and fought against that system long ago. Imagine someone discussing and questioning law during british India. If you have dissatisfaction over current constitution then come discuss.
Do you know back then us "unannounced ruling caste "( bahun and chettri) werent allowed to attend schools in Nepal. We had to go to India if we wanted to study.

4. Most disgusting and ignorant commentator. King mahendra eradicated malaria and shifted hill people from hardships of Nepali hills to fertile , arable terai. These terai forest were uninhabitable and no one lived there due to malaria except tharus who are malaria resistant. Our lives became easier compared to hills.
There have been no Nepali origin foreign returnee from assam , burma,bhutan etc. if you find any about this please let me know.. Only returnee were Nepali speaking bhutanese people who left bhutan during ethnic cleansing of around 1990 . These bhutanes refugee were stationed at refugee camp of Jhapa. They were provided no citizenship hence no land. Today they are living in US and Canada as a part of refugee resettlement program.
Infact 40 lakhs citizenship were distributed to madhesis at once in 2008. These 40 lakhs were denied citizenship before that because they couldnt prove themselves to be nepali national. 40 lakhs were distributed without any homeworks done.

5. He needs to be reminded that current President, vice president is Madhesi. last chief judiciary was madhesi. There have been numerous ministers who were madhesi. Ex vice prime miniter was madhesi. And there are many many madhesi teachers, doctors. Supreme court have many madhesi judges. Current Nepal medical council president is madhesi, fncci ( corporate federation) current president is madhesi, damn it. There are too many madhesis enjoying higher posts. I dont remeber others. These are to be named few. You cannot bring one CDO example and then comment. Id have to confirm about this though .
50% population is alie lie lie. Please google Nepal demographics, 50% lives in madhesh but ut also includes pahadi aryan and pahadi janajati.

6. As a matter of fact jha, singh, mehta, yadav , mahato , mishra seems to be only surname that represents 30% of madhesh population. It is imp for them not for us.
Government has provided 22% inclusion for madhesi. But madhesi are not ready to have inclusion as madhesi barhmin, madhesi kayastha, madhesi dalit, madhesi musahar, madhesi muslim.
Madhesh has highest social disparity in Nepal. Madhesh is samelike bihar of India. Its problem, its issues everything.
Madhesh has upright pyramid i.e. Upper caste are less and lower caste are more in num.
hill however has inverted pyramid there are more upper caste and less lower caste.
Madhesi high castes have high HDI but they are picturingg poor lower caste madhesis to gain inclusion which they are not happy to share with same poor people. They want inclusion acc to % of population. But they dont want inclusion acc to % of madhesi dalit, madhesi muslim . Upper caste madhesi wants to exploit the reservation that is for poor , socially backward people.
Madhesis leaders are okay with inclusion of madhesi dalits if they are to given again separate inclusion under dalit, but it shouldnt be within 22%. Agar madhesi dalit aur muslim ka population minus karoge toh , upper caste madhesi ka population bahat kum hojayega. Yeh log madhesi dalit ka population dikhakar reservation maagte hai aur bolte hai agar madhesi dalit ko specific reservation chahiye toh separte inclusion banaa or dalit reservation mei inclide karna. Aaj tak yeh dalit reservationmein sirf hill dalit ke liye hai kyun ki yeh hill dalit ko population dekh kar banaya gaya hai.

7. If India asked for ammendments , dont you think this is over stepping? We spoke against this, this is not hyper nationalism. Its just nationalism

8. First madhesi leaders announced that 50 lakhs Would be provided to those who were killed during protest.
Then happened tikapur incident, where police didnt open fire , which led to torturous killing of 17 policeman including 2 yrs old kid of a police. They burned police alive, shoved weapons on them.
These protesters also dragged injured policemen from ambulance, chased him and killed him by beating.
The protesters have went violent.
And on other protests after this, when protesters tried to break curfew police opened fire no make sure the previous incident would not happen. Thus manh got killed. See on such protest in gujarat during patel uprising , 7 people were shit dead in a day. This happens worldwide. If you dont open fire they would come kill you.
There is no account of police beat these protesters burnt down, they burnt down houses of many CA members.


If Pakistani are protesting , vandalizing for kashmir and kashmir are silent, then is it paksitan'is right? Or stupidity?
if that is not pakistani's fight for right than same goes for madhesi.
They want foreigners to get higher posts, and this is their right too?
Tharu's fight is understandable, but madhesis fight isnt.because kailali does have large nume of thatus and isnt current not under tharuhat.


Time to answer ur ques :
1. Rulers earlier promoted anti india feeling to prevent sikkimisation in Nepal. But today with connectivity tehir attitides are changing, if not modiji wouldnt be getting such warm welcome.
2. Need to google to say true, but usually we go by 1/3rd khas arya ( pahadi) , 1/3 rd madhesi + tharu, 1/3rd janajti

3.nepalese hate their politician lol. Yes modji is very popular. But his current step made him a lil unpopular.
And this protest is only in 4-5 districts out of 75. 50% peopel are unhappy is total false news.

 

[Viva]

Dear friend...Thanks for explaining so nicely about your internal situation...Honestly i am not really worried to understand what is your political dynaimic inside your country...But my worry is that you should not do anything that will give foot hold Indias enemeny nation...This is the only thing that matters to Indian people..Now wheather you give share to Madhesi people or not, it is something an non issue for me...as long as their protest does not impact the border areas of India...

So you sort our own issues rather allowing other external nations such as China or Pakistan to enter into your politics...Then absloyrely, we do not even want to know what is happening in your nation...I hope you got my point...

Today, India sanctioned blockade. Home minister just made cabinet of ministers notice that despite not having protestestsbon india- nepal border roads, the trucks are being stopped by Indian authority.

Dear friend...Thanks for explaining so nicely about your internal situation...Honestly i am not really worried to understand what is your political dynaimic inside your country...But my worry is that you should not do anything that will give foot hold Indias enemeny nation...This is the only thing that matters to Indian people..Now wheather you give share to Madhesi people or not, it is something an non issue for me...as long as their protest does not impact the border areas of India...

So you sort our own issues rather allowing other external nations such as China or Pakistan to enter into your politics...Then absloyrely, we do not even want to know what is happening in your nation...I hope you got my point...

Government has agreed most of their demands. But demands like to allow foreign nationals become head of state is totally unacceptable. Likewise, asking for someone else's candy is also not.

 

[Kaniska]

Today, India sanctioned blockade. Home minister just made cabinet of ministers notice that despite not having protestestsbon india- nepal border roads, the trucks are being stopped by Indian authority.


Government has agreed most of their demands. But demands like to allow foreign nationals become head of state is totally unacceptable. Likewise, asking for someone else's candy is also not.

Where is the official news that India sanction blockade??? Do you have any source of news from the Gov? I am not sure why such kind of unnecessary grapevine is floating around??At the end of the day, what India will achive by troubling Nepal?? Absolutely nothing...The trucks might have been stopped for some other reasons too..In india, due to inter state rivallary, some time trucks gets blocked from one check gate to enter into another state..That does not mean state Gov is sponsoring blockade from one state to other...

Anyway..Good luck to you man...And please honestly, we really do not want to who want to be your president or not...Please do not explain and inform us...How does it matter what rule you make to your own citizen...Madhesi people are you issue and i hope you will deal with it whatever you way you can do it...But do not just float around with news that does not have any sense at all..

 

[Godman]

what did india do/accused of doing?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

what did india do/accused of doing?

Nothing. Rumor mongering by irresponsible journalists who would do anything to see Modi's tenure as a failure even at a cost to India.

 

[debottam]

Brother we have a system just like India, where geography and demographics combinely determines the CA representatives.
If We go just by population , if sikkim is to given 1 CA representative , UP would have 400 CA members.
Do you really think thats possible? Thats what madhesis are demanding. The madhes just occupies 17% of total Nepal and gets 10 seats less than Rest 83% of hilly and mountain regions combined.

I am not sure I understand correctly. Madhes occupies 17% of what? Area? What has area got to do with seat distribution?

"Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography." -

Um yes. That why there is a 'demo' in democracy. Otherwise we would have had a 'geocracy'.

"What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim." -

You are completely mistaken. Here is the list of of constituencies by States/Union Territories of India. It clearly follows the population weight of each state. Or else Rajasthan, the largest state in India, wouldn't have ended up with less than one third of seats of Uttar Pradesh, the most populous state. The reason smaller states have more than their proportion of seats is because we haven't figured out a way to elect a fraction of an MP. No one in the world would endorse such an absurd idea that seat distribution need to follow the area of a province. If we followed that logic and gave Thar desert or Ladakh, large but thinly populated areas, a ton of seats, the country would have broken up long ago.

Typically seat distribution need to roughly follow ethnic distribution. Your example regarding Sikkim is seriously misleading. Sikkim actually has gotten more seats that its population would warrant. In other word, other ethnic groups in India which are larger, gave Sikkim a little more seat from their share. Since Madhesis are in minority, they should have been given slightly greater share or at least proportional share. You gave them even less. This is us telling Sikkim to bugger off.

Here are a few hints to where this might lead to. Check out Sri Lanka's recent history and you will get some idea. Another province in undivided India, Bengal, was partitioned in '47 partly due to disagreements over seat sharing. Pakistan and Bangladesh are still licking their wounds over the elections in 1970. Serious riots rocked South and West India in the 50s and 60s over demands for ethno-linguistically compact states. The center had to give in to that demand. India is still knee deep in interstate bickering over a multitude of issues and the center's ham handed approach to Kashmir in the '80s. Best of luck.

 

[Viva]

I am not sure I understand correctly. Madhes occupies 17% of what? Area? What has area got to do with seat distribution?

"Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography." -

Um yes. That why there is a 'demo' in democracy. Otherwise we would have had a 'geocracy'.

"What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim." -

You are completely mistaken. Here is the list of of constituencies by States/Union Territories of India. It clearly follows the population weight of each state. Or else Rajasthan, the largest state in India, wouldn't have ended up with less than one third of seats of Uttar Pradesh, the most populous state. The reason smaller states have more than their proportion of seats is because we haven't figured out a way to elect a fraction of an MP. No one in the world would endorse such an absurd idea that seat distribution need to follow the area of a province. If we followed that logic and gave Thar desert or Ladakh, large but thinly populated areas, a ton of seats, the country would have broken up long ago.

Typically seat distribution need to roughly follow ethnic distribution. Your example regarding Sikkim is seriously misleading. Sikkim actually has gotten more seats that its population would warrant. In other word, other ethnic groups in India which are larger, gave Sikkim a little more seat from their share. Since Madhesis are in minority, they should have been given slightly greater share or at least proportional share. You gave them even less. This is us telling Sikkim to bugger off.

Here are a few hints to where this might lead to. Check out Sri Lanka's recent history and you will get some idea. Another province in undivided India, Bengal, was partitioned in '47 partly due to disagreements over seat sharing. Pakistan and Bangladesh are still licking their wounds over the elections in 1970. Serious riots rocked South and West India in the 50s and 60s over demands for ethno-linguistically compact states. The center had to give in to that demand. India is still knee deep in interstate bickering over a multitude of issues and the center's ham handed approach to Kashmir in the '80s. Best of luck.

Sikkim has just one CA representative, Pawan Chamling.
Only ethiopia have demographics based CA representative.
Nepal doesn't follow the area Im just giving you an example.
For example the biggest district of Nepal i.e. Dolpa will get just 1 MP because it is so sparsely populated.
But if we go demographics wise northern areas like Dolpa, Humla, Mugu were population is so low wont get any CA members.
Just like Thar desert and ladakh despite being huge in size, due to less population they are atleast guaranteed 1 CA member. but if India prefers to go entirely demographics wise Ladakh wont have any CA member, but everyone would be from UP, BIhar, Maharastra etc.

I am not sure I understand correctly. Madhes occupies 17% of what? Area? What has area got to do with seat distribution?

"Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography." -

Um yes. That why there is a 'demo' in democracy. Otherwise we would have had a 'geocracy'.

"What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim." -

You are completely mistaken. Here is the list of of constituencies by States/Union Territories of India. It clearly follows the population weight of each state. Or else Rajasthan, the largest state in India, wouldn't have ended up with less than one third of seats of Uttar Pradesh, the most populous state. The reason smaller states have more than their proportion of seats is because we haven't figured out a way to elect a fraction of an MP. No one in the world would endorse such an absurd idea that seat distribution need to follow the area of a province. If we followed that logic and gave Thar desert or Ladakh, large but thinly populated areas, a ton of seats, the country would have broken up long ago.

Typically seat distribution need to roughly follow ethnic distribution. Your example regarding Sikkim is seriously misleading. Sikkim actually has gotten more seats that its population would warrant. In other word, other ethnic groups in India which are larger, gave Sikkim a little more seat from their share. Since Madhesis are in minority, they should have been given slightly greater share or at least proportional share. You gave them even less. This is us telling Sikkim to bugger off.

Here are a few hints to where this might lead to. Check out Sri Lanka's recent history and you will get some idea. Another province in undivided India, Bengal, was partitioned in '47 partly due to disagreements over seat sharing. Pakistan and Bangladesh are still licking their wounds over the elections in 1970. Serious riots rocked South and West India in the 50s and 60s over demands for ethno-linguistically compact states. The center had to give in to that demand. India is still knee deep in interstate bickering over a multitude of issues and the center's ham handed approach to Kashmir in the '80s. Best of luck.

Madhesis are getting 79 out of 165.

madh

I am not sure I understand correctly. Madhes occupies 17% of what? Area? What has area got to do with seat distribution?

"Madhesi want CA representation by demographics not by geography." -

Um yes. That why there is a 'demo' in democracy. Otherwise we would have had a 'geocracy'.

"What we have like India is CA representaive by geography and demographics that has ensured 1 CA member in sikkim." -

You are completely mistaken. Here is the list of of constituencies by States/Union Territories of India. It clearly follows the population weight of each state. Or else Rajasthan, the largest state in India, wouldn't have ended up with less than one third of seats of Uttar Pradesh, the most populous state. The reason smaller states have more than their proportion of seats is because we haven't figured out a way to elect a fraction of an MP. No one in the world would endorse such an absurd idea that seat distribution need to follow the area of a province. If we followed that logic and gave Thar desert or Ladakh, large but thinly populated areas, a ton of seats, the country would have broken up long ago.

Typically seat distribution need to roughly follow ethnic distribution. Your example regarding Sikkim is seriously misleading. Sikkim actually has gotten more seats that its population would warrant. In other word, other ethnic groups in India which are larger, gave Sikkim a little more seat from their share. Since Madhesis are in minority, they should have been given slightly greater share or at least proportional share. You gave them even less. This is us telling Sikkim to bugger off.

Here are a few hints to where this might lead to. Check out Sri Lanka's recent history and you will get some idea. Another province in undivided India, Bengal, was partitioned in '47 partly due to disagreements over seat sharing. Pakistan and Bangladesh are still licking their wounds over the elections in 1970. Serious riots rocked South and West India in the 50s and 60s over demands for ethno-linguistically compact states. The center had to give in to that demand. India is still knee deep in interstate bickering over a multitude of issues and the center's ham handed approach to Kashmir in the '80s. Best of luck.

Madhesis are getting 79 seats out of 165, now they want 10 more seats that would atleast guarantee one MP in very sparsely populated mountainous areas.if these 10 seats are to be given to madhesis then mountainous people wont get any seat.
if you see the image I have posted below then, every districts you see would get 1 CA member, and after that those with heavy population will get more CA members.
the southern districts that borders India has 50% of population out of which 20% are madhesi. Now if we go just by demographics than then northern districts that borders China wont have any MP.

 

[Arya Desa]

We let these people study in our schools, work in our country, we have no transit tax or levies, we bend over backwards, yet this is the respect they show us? India should seal the border and send the nepalis in our country back home.