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[Titanium100]

One another thing that should be highlighted is that Azeribaijan has defense treaty with Turkey.


The Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Mutual Support between Azerbaijan and Turkey for strategic partnership and security co-operation was signed at Baku by Presidents Ilham Aliyev and Abdullah Gül.

Under the terms of the treaty, both Turkey and Azerbaijan will support each other "using all possibilities" in the case of a military attack or aggression against either of the countries.[1]

This treaty was signed 10 years ago.

Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Mutual Support - Wikipedia

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Turkey has also similar treaties with it's turkic brethens Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkemenistan, Azerbaijan, and kyrgyzstan. They complete 6 Turkic. Turkey has defense treaty and responsibility to defend their soverignity

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The new president has 2 months to take office, and the Russian base will be fired and will be replaced by the Americans.

You're more idiot than I thought

Caretaker government can be formed within days. In the aftermath of Euromaidan, Turchynov was the interim president until election took place in May.

 

[mb444]

The war is not over. It is only ceasefire. In 5 years peacekeepers leave. Armenia will invade with attack drones.

Azeries will be sitting around and doing nothing to counter i guess?

Your every argument has been roundly defeated..... how much face palm can someone take.... its amazing...

 

[Titanium100]

Well, it doesn't matter what yours or my feelings are, facts remain facts.

The UAE did withdraw its drones. It temporarily brought them back, but withdrew them again, after a very controversial strike.

US drones have far better performance than Turkish and Chinese drones, that's just a fact. From total ceiling, to payload, to hot/cold terrain, the US is FAAAR ahead in terms of performance, and its proven that through its use of drones in thousands of strikes, in a wide variety of regions. Neither Turkey, nor China can say the same.

US drones are also 100% made in the USA, from engine, to optics, to air frame. Turkish drones still rely on foreign parts. China, while 100% locally made as well, still has major quality control issues, when it comes to engines.

It seems the only reason why you think turkey is far ahead is because Turkey is fairly open about when it uses its drones, including sharing footage.

The US tends to be more secretive, to the point that until recently, it banned the sales of its armed drones for for over a decade, only recently lifting the ban.

Meanwhile, customers of Chinese drones tend to use them in controversial fashion, so they're secretive as well. We tend to find out when they're used by either third party organizations, or CCTV (or similar) footage.

All the American drones we have seen in action so far are inferior to the turkish once this is facts. Specifically the giant one they used couple of years ago can easily get brought down.

1. If they are hiding drones then how can you know about their existence or performance? I think you are just making some wild guesses and assumptions.

2. We have atleast seen the Chinese drones do great and again as you claimed previously this is what the chinese chose to reveal and as for what they may be hiding we don't know but as for what we saw despite doing great but still got outperformed and this is based on what we have seen and their performances.

I don't think you either know this for a fact because you say they use secrecy? How can you know about that? Your assuming things about the unknown

 

[FuturePAF]

Here is the agreement.

A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are declared from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan
and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.
2. The Agdam region and the territories held by the Armenian Party in the Gazakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to the Azerbaijan Party until November 20, 2020.
3. Along the line of contact in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1,960 servicemen with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.
4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.
5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.
6. The Republic of Armenia will return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020, leaving behind the Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time not will affect the city of Shusha.
By agreement of the Parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new traffic route along the Lachin corridor, providing communication between Stepanakert and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect this route will be determined.
The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.
7. Internally displaced persons and refugees are returning to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
8. The exchange of prisoners of war and other detainees and bodies of the dead is carried out.
9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia provides transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia.

By agreement of the Parties, construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided. "

How reliable are Azerbaijan’s transit trade options through Georgia? Will this new Azeri corridor between its western Nakhichevan region and the rest of Azerbaijan help it to conduct trade via Turkey to rest of the world Independently of Georgia, or is the Georgia route a stable and reliable one, and this née corridor is only for Azeri-Azeri traffic of people and goods.

Yerevan Live..

Angry armenians trying to break in government buildings. They are pissed. I can understand them though. They were being told they were winning until now. Just wow.

People need to remember this is what defeat looks like in a modern war between nation states. This is why maintain conventional parity if not superiority with your enemy is so important.

 

[thetutle]

It seems there will be no peace. International treaty requires parliament approval. They won't approve of such a treaty.

Lets hope you are right for once. This peace deal will just freeze the conflict and deploy russian troops along the front line, preventing AZE from ever getting the rest of NK back. They might as well do some territory exchange with armenia, give them the rest of NK in exchange for something else.

 

[ziaulislam]

 

[Titanium100]

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This is acceptable

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Lets hope you are right for once. This peace deal will just freeze the conflict and deploy russian troops along the front line, preventing AZE from ever getting the rest of NK back. They might as well do some territory exchange with armenia, give them the rest of NK in exchange for something else.

Ideally both Armenia and Azerbaijan should go back to 1989 Soviet borders and hand back the annexed enclaves they took from each other. But reality is not perfect. Hell, Pakistan and India are still fighting over Kashmir post British empire.

Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic - Wikipedia

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Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic - Wikipedia

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[ziaulislam]

Lets hope you are right for once. This peace deal will just freeze the conflict and deploy russian troops along the front line, preventing AZE from ever getting the rest of NK back. They might as well do some territory exchange with armenia, give them the rest of NK in exchange for something else.

Atleast they keep susha..
So we are basically back to 1988 situation

But again this might permanently end the conflict as both sides get something ..

I still dont know what would be the legal status of NK though and what would be its governance system

But azeris will get huge part back including the historical capital shusha

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Unless Armenia and Azerbaijan accept their 1989 borders it'll be just like Hundred Years War. Sure, it won't be continuous war, but it won't be peace either.

 

[ziaulislam]

Unless Armenia and Azerbaijan accept their 1989 borders it'll be just like Hundred Years War. Sure, it won't be continuous war, but it won't be peace either.

Azerbajian insists of the 1989 boarder while aremenians are talking about 1000yr old arbitrary broaders

Thing is once russia said stop azerbaijan couldn't do anything ..and its not a bad deal..u get shusha and all of 7 districts and parts of NK while both parties get links to their territorties

Before the war azeri would have died for such a juicy deal..

But after war i would say armenia got something out of it..

Azeris will need massive capital to rehabilitate a million people it wont be easy and is crucial
For future survival

 

[thetutle]

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This would be good, but this will not be the map. ARM still control massive amounts of NK. region 5 is way too small. And listening to putins speech, it seem that this ceasefire will allow them to negotiate a permanent solution. Well, I can tell you, there is no solution that Armenians will ever accept and give up other dreams of greater armenia. I'm sure that AZE did the best they could. But this will restart in a few years.

 

[ziaulislam]

How reliable are Azerbaijan’s transit trade options through Georgia? Will this new Azeri corridor between its western Nakhichevan region and the rest of Azerbaijan help it to conduct trade via Turkey to rest of the world Independently of Georgia, or is the Georgia route a stable and reliable one, and this née corridor is only for Azeri-Azeri traffic of people and goods.


People need to remover this is what defeat loooks like in a modern war between nation states. This is why maintain conventional parity if not superiority with your enemy is so important.

 

[ziaulislam]

This would be good, but this will not be the map. ARM still control massive amounts of NK. region 5 is way too small. And listening to putins speech, it seem that this ceasefire will allow them to negotiate a permanent solution. Well, I can tell you, there is no solution that Armenians will ever accept and give up other dreams of greater armenia. I'm sure that AZE did the best they could. But this will restart in a few years.

My guess armenian saw they are losing so they decided to go for nuclear option i.e bombing oil facilities with blastic missles..russia got super pissed and called both parties to agree or it will force an agreement ..
Thus both sides agreed

As long as azeris get 7 districts plus shusha they will be VERY happy ..as those were orginally azeri areas

Fighting will restart in 5 years when Armenians have Wing Loong 10 attack drones.

China will not provide armenia anything ..they will provide same drones to azerbaijan with oil in exchange ...

Also gas pipeline are planned to go to china from azerbaijan

Plus pakistan factors in here with respect to diplomatic push

Armenia has one daddy only russia..and russia did ulitimately came for help