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I'm seeing pics of Nagorno-Karabakh in google maps and I only see ancient churches and christian cross everywhere, even in water fountains :lol:


It doesnt seem a so much Azerbaijan land in the real terrain.
 
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Drones have changed war.... its official now.

a dirt cheap, expandable toy with no human in harms way. Can pick out and destroy armor like shooting fish in a barrel.

There is a huge need for a cheap, effective short range defense platform to deal with this new threat.......

i dont want to brag, but Iran was one of the first countries to see battlefield tactics shifting that way, and started heavily investing in it more then a decade ago.

when everyone was laughing at Iran for playing with "toys" and not buying some expensive russian 4th gen fighter like everyone else.
 
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Much of the uyghur problem is propoganda by the west, no such sites have been located.
Yeah then don’t criticize other countries by being puppets of Russia and Russia is enemy of Islam when you are doing the same with communist China.
 
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Drones have changed war.... its official now.

a dirt cheap, expandable toy with no human in harms way. Can pick out and destroy armor like shooting fish in a barrel.

There is a huge need for a cheap, effective short range defense platform to deal with this new threat.......

i dont want to brag, but Iran was one of the first countries to see battlefield tactics shifting that way, and started heavily investing in it more then a decade ago.

when everyone was laughing at Iran for playing with "toys" and not buying some expensive russian 4th gen fighter like everyone else.

Main article: History of unmanned combat aerial vehicles
One of the earliest explorations of the concept of the combat drone was by Lee De Forest, an early inventor of radio devices, and U. A. Sanabria, a TV engineer. They presented their idea in an article in a 1940 publication of Popular Mechanics.[6] The modern military drone as known today was the brainchild of John Stuart Foster Jr., a nuclear physicist and former head of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (then called the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory).[7] In 1971, Foster was a model aeroplane hobbyist and had the idea this hobby could be applied to building weapons.[7] He drew up plans and by 1973 DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) built two prototypes called "Prairie" and "Calera". They were powered by a modified lawn-mower engine and could stay aloft for two hours while carrying a 28-pound (13 kg) load.[7]

In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel used unarmed U.S. Ryan Firebee target drones to spur Egypt into firing its entire arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles. This mission was accomplished with no injuries to Israeli pilots, who soon exploited the depleted Egyptian defences. In the late 1970s and 80s, Israel developed the Scout and the Pioneer, which represented a shift toward the lighter, glider-type model of UAV in use today. Israel pioneered the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for real-time surveillance, electronic warfare, and decoys.[8][9][10] The images and radar decoying provided by these UAVs helped Israel to completely neutralize the Syrian air defences in Operation Mole Cricket 19 at the start of the 1982 Lebanon War, resulting in no pilots downed.[11]

In the late 1980s, Iran deployed a drone armed with six RPG-7 rounds in the Iran–Iraq War.[12]

Impressed by Israel's success, the US quickly acquired a number of UAVs, and its Hunter and Pioneer systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models. The first 'UAV war' was the first Gulf War: according to a May 1991 Department of the Navy report: "At least one UAV was airborne at all times during Desert Storm." After the Gulf War successfully demonstrated its utility, global militaries invested widely in the domestic development of combat UAVs.[13] The first "kill" by an American UAV was on October 7, 2001, in Kandahar.[14]

In recent years, the U.S. has increased its use of drone strikes against targets in foreign countries and elsewhere as part of the War on Terror. In January 2014, it was estimated that 2,400 people have died from U.S. drone strikes in five years.[15] In June 2015 the total death toll of U.S. drone strikes was estimated to exceed 6,000.[16]

 
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China is Pakistan's lifeline, so it's normal they will be less inclined to support Uygurs rights less they draw the ire of Beijing. So I think it's normal, they ought to look after their interests .
Yes, sure. My point was just that the rule the poster was stating was not so clear cut aka black or white, it has exceptions..
 
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China is Pakistan's lifeline, so it's normal they will be less inclined to support Uygurs rights less they draw the ire of Beijing. So I think it's normal, they ought to look after their interests .
Yeah then they shouldn’t criticize Iran with Russia also they forgot that Israel is Azerbaijan ally.
 
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Yes its the first time advanced weapons have been used by Azeris, they have been armed in last 2 years by Turkey with high tech precision stikes weapons and by ammo from believe it or not by Pakistan

There was some news that they were interested in JFTs too.
 
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Why will Pakistan involve itself in a war between both sides. ? The main players are Turkey, Russia and Iran there. When neither of this side have directly take to the front line what can a distant country like Pakistan who faces so much issues of its own get involved in thiadisyant war that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HER?
So Pakistan should just sit and watch.

MOREOVER, I'm surprised to see Pakistanis on here raising the "Muslim" card as a reason for supporting their "Azeri Muslim brothers" . LMAO. Do you guys know that one of your Azeri Muslim brothers biggest military backer is your 'illusionary' enemy Israel? In fact Azerbaïdjan even host Israel's military facilities and they are one of Israel's biggest supporter in the world and the biggest supporter in the entire muslim world Lol. It's an irony actually. I'm surprised you guys avoid talking about this. Lol. You guys should be more pragmatic in your foreign policy and follow your interests instead of always claiming " religious Muslim.ummah " to justify your foreign support/ties. That's so outdated to be honest. 😖😵😁
You're ignoring the numerous posters who have already mentioned this. You are absolutely right though.
 
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Azerbaijan: From a Country with Soviet-Era Industry to a Weapons Exporter
Since the 2000s, Azerbaijan has significantly improved its defense industry to the point where it now exports locally produced weapons to countries like Russia and the US. A large part of the country's military development could be attributed to Israel
Fuad Shahbazov | 27/04/2017 Contact author

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Azerbaijan Armed Forces Day 2016 (Source: YouTube)
Since regaining its independence in 1991, Azerbaijan set a target to increase the capability of its Armed Forces. Being a former Soviet country with an outdated industry, Azerbaijan has significantly developed and diversified its military industry since the end of the first Nagorno-Karabakh war. Throughout these years, Azerbaijan has done a lot to acquire international experience in the military industry.
At the beginning of the 2000s, official Baku adopted a new military policy, which would allow it to strengthen its military/defense industry. While oil-gas contracts brought billions of dollars and further foreign investments to Azerbaijan, the country’s military budget has implicitly increased between 2004 and 2012 years. As a part of this policy, in 2005, the Azerbaijani government established the Ministry of Defense Industry, which targeted to modernize the Soviet-era weaponry (mostly BMP, BRDM) in the balance of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, and oversee arms manufacturing.
Although until 2013, the Azerbaijani defense industry has focused on purchasing different weaponry from Russia, Israel, Turkey, Pakistan, and Belarus, the country has been building up its own capabilities to produce new weaponry. According to the statistics of the Ministry of Defense Industry, Azerbaijan today offers 1100 different kind of domestically produced weaponry, including vehicles, rifles, mines, and other military equipment.
Last year, Azerbaijan displayed newly produced weaponry at ADEX-2016 (Azerbaijan Defense Exhibition). Among the country's newly-made weapons were the ‘Shimshek-10’ machine gun, equipped with day/night cameras, and designed mainly to be installed on tanks and armored personnel carriers; the ‘Gurza’ armored vehicle for Special Forces; the ‘BRDM-2’ equipped with a Turkish-made anti-tank missile complex; the ‘Istiglal-1T’ anti-materiel rifle; the ‘Yalguzag‘ and ‘Mubariz’ sniper rifles, which are considered the most popular weaponry of the local industry, according to mass media. "The Azerbaijani-made weaponry meets the standards of NATO," said Minister of Defense Industry Yavar Jamalov in his speech at ADEX-2016. Additionally, Minister Jamalov publicly underlined the fact that Azerbaijan currently exports its domestically made RPQ-7V2 Gaya grenade-launcher, EM-14 automatic rifle, and optic sights to ten foreign countries, including the US, Russia, Pakistan, Iraq (imported 500 RPQ-7V2 in 2016) and several Gulf monarchies.
It seems that the Azerbaijani defense industry is eager to improve its indigenous production capability even more by 2020. In December of 2016, during an interview with local journalists, Minister Yavar Jamalov said that the Ministry of Defense Industry works on producing a long-range missile system and an electromagnetic weapon that will be capable of destroying enemy military equipment.
Apparently, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have had a chance to use domestically made weaponry on the battlefield, against Armenia-backed separatist forces in the Nagorno-Karabakh region. In April 2016, the region has witnessed an unexpected war between Azerbaijan and Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh region. But unlike other clashes in the frontline between Azerbaijan and Armenia, April’s clashes featured the first known use of “kamikaze drones” by Azerbaijan, with the explosive-tipped aircraft. In March, Azerbaijan signed a $1.6 billion arms deal with Israel, which consisted largely of advanced drones (Hermes-450 and Aerostar) and an air defense system. Through this and other deals, Azerbaijan is currently amassing a squadron of over 100 drones from all three of Israel’s top defense manufacturers.
The effectiveness of the so-called “Drone wars” had pushed official Baku to purchase more Israeli-made drones. Simultaneously, Azerbaijani officials said that the country would build “hundreds” of kamikaze and other combat drones using Israeli technology. Speaking on Saturday while visiting Azeri troops stationed southeast of Nagorno-Karabakh at one of the hills recaptured in April, President Ilham Aliyev said his country has already purchased modern weapons worth billions and intends to produce its own drones.
In October, Azerbaijan has demonstrated its first domestically produced drone ‘Zerbe’ (Strike) at the ADEX-2016 fair. Few of its specifications have been made public, but it appears similar to the Israeli Orbiter 1K, with an armed warhead, stealthy profile, and an endurance of up to three hours. Azerbaijan's Ministry of Defense has ordered more than 100 Zerbe drones, which “have become a nightmare for the Armenian army,” Jamalov said.
Obviously, one of Azerbaijan's main reasons for mass producing kamikaze drones and other military equipment is the appearance of the ‘Iskander-M’ missile system in the balance of Armenian Armed Forces. Some Armenian experts argue that the missile system will largely shift the balance of power in favor of Armenia. However, Azerbaijani Defense Ministry assured that the country has quite capable and powerful weapons to counter Armenia’s Iskander rockets. Nevertheless, the acquisition of Iskander-M missile system by Yerevan will not ease tensions in the region. To the contrary, it will largely contribute to the escalation of conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, and to arms race between Azerbaijan and Armenia.
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Why will Pakistan involve itself in a war between both sides. ? The main players are Turkey, Russia and Iran there. When neither of this side have directly take to the front line what can a distant country like Pakistan who faces so much issues of its own get involved in thiadisyant war that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HER?
So Pakistan should just sit and watch.

MOREOVER, I'm surprised to see Pakistanis on here raising the "Muslim" card as a reason for supporting their "Azeri Muslim brothers" . LMAO. Do you guys know that one of your Azeri Muslim brothers biggest military backer is your 'illusionary' enemy Israel? In fact Azerbaïdjan even host Israel's military facilities and they are one of Israel's biggest supporter in the world and the biggest supporter in the entire muslim world Lol. It's an irony actually. I'm surprised you guys avoid talking about this. Lol. You guys should be more pragmatic in your foreign policy and follow your interests instead of always claiming " religious Muslim.ummah " to justify your foreign support/ties. That's so outdated to be honest. 😖😵😁

LOL Who are you to tell Pakistan what it can and cannot do? You don't know anything about Pakistan and are a foreigner yourself. A Brexiteer to be precise.

Pakistan is going to support Azerbaijan every way it can. Do you even know the close and friendly relations between Pakistan and Azerbaijan? LOL at Muslim card. Typical Indian response.

You are an an Indian.
 
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Why will Pakistan involve itself in a war between both sides. ? The main players are Turkey, Russia and Iran there. When neither of this side have directly take to the front line what can a distant country like Pakistan who faces so much issues of its own get involved in thiadisyant war that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HER?
So Pakistan should just sit and watch.

MOREOVER, I'm surprised to see Pakistanis on here raising the "Muslim" card as a reason for supporting their "Azeri Muslim brothers" . LMAO. Do you guys know that one of your Azeri Muslim brothers biggest military backer is your 'illusionary' enemy Israel? In fact Azerbaïdjan even host Israel's military facilities and they are one of Israel's biggest supporter in the world and the biggest supporter in the entire muslim world Lol. It's an irony actually. I'm surprised you guys avoid talking about this. Lol. You guys should be more pragmatic in your foreign policy and follow your interests instead of always claiming " religious Muslim.ummah " to justify your foreign support/ties. That's so outdated to be honest. 😖😵😁
but what is indias business with armenia? RSS hinduvta mob lynchers are $hit posting their hatred of turks
 
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but what is indias business with armenia? RSS hinduvta mob lynchers are $hit posting their hatred of turks

but what is indias business with armenia? RSS hinduvta mob lynchers are $hit posting their hatred of turks

You won't hear the Indian Brexiteer say anything on Indian obsession with Armenia. That is kosher. His ire, hatred and condemnation is only reserved for Pakistan.
 
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