Awans - Apparently a sub-clan of the Khattaks?

[lastofthepatriots]

yeah they're chill people.
women in my village believe that if you happened to see an arain woman in the morning, your whole day would be great.

To be honest most Awans I've met tend to be very chill too, but then of course I've never pissed them off.

I like Awans because they can generally take jokes better than other biradiris. Jat, Butt, Gujjar, Rajput, and Pashtuns typically can't take a joke.

 

[friendly_troll96]

We are more concerned with our sub clans.

and this shit sucks. lots of generation to generation "shareekay".

To be honest most Awans I've met tend to be very chill too, but then of course I've never pissed them off.

I like Awans because they can generally take jokes better than other biradiris. Jat, Butt, Gujjar, Rajput, and Pashtuns typically can't take a joke.

that's because "bharay hve chhulkday ni"... if you're comfortable in being you, you don't give a hoot.

 

[imranyounus]

Most people here who try to undermine the claim of Arab origins forget that Arabs have invaded subcontinent either through sea or via Afghanistan, and they had settled here as well. so there are some Arab origins tribes here and those who have strict social boundaries like Awans are most likely to maintain their links.

And as of today's Arabs not being good humans does not matter as we have evolved a separate group settled in separate land with distinct nature which has in this land. Similarly today's arabs have also evolved and are not same as before.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Most people here who try to undermine the claim of Arab origins forget that Arabs have invaded subcontinent either through sea or via Afghanistan, and they had settled here as well. so there are some Arab origins tribes here and those who have strict social boundaries like Awans are most likely to maintain their links.

And as of today's Arabs not being good humans does not matter as we have evolved a separate group settled in separate land with distinct nature which has in this land. Similarly today's arabs have also evolved and are not same as before.

Its not that simple. Yes arabs invaded this land but they were soldiers and did not brought their families in here. If we assume that these arab soldiers/preacher married with local Muslims women but what about generation born after such random inter-racial marriages? They were all locals married to each others i.e so is this change genetic of local people much? I am not expert of genetics but just using my common sense..

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

Awans just like Janjuas, Gakhars and others Rajpouts clans of photohar has strong martial traditions

In reference to the British Raj's recruitment policies in the Punjab, vis-à-vis the British Indian Army, Tan Tai Yong remarks:

The choice of Muslims was not merely one of physical suitability. As in the case of the Sikhs, recruiting authorities showed a clear bias in favor of the dominant landowning tribes of the region, and recruitment of Punjabi Muslims was limited to those who belonged to tribes of high social standing or reputation - the "blood proud" and once politically dominant aristocracy of the tract. Consequently, socially dominant Muslim tribes such as the Gakkhars, Janjuas and Awans, and a few Rajput tribes, concentrated in the Rawalpindi and Jhelum districts, ... accounted for more than ninety percent of Punjabi Muslim recruits.

Historian Christophe Jaffrelot says:

The Awan deserve close attention, because of their historical importance and, above all, because they settled in the west, right up to the edge of Baluchi and Pashtun territory. [Tribal] Legend has it that their origins go back to Imam Ali and his second wife, Hanafiya. Historians describe them as valiant warriors and farmers who imposed their supremacy on their close kin the Janjuas in part of the Salt Range, and established large colonies all along the Indus to Sind, and a densely populated centre not far from Lahore.

 

[django]

depending on the area, NO.
awans come in all shades of skin color from super fair (with light-colored eyes) to very dark depending on the area. i can safely say that 15-20% of awans in my pind are fairer than an average pashtoon. kakku, gora, ratta (red), chittu are pretty common nicknames for kids here. Needless to say Awans' prominent feature is a long pointy and usually hooked nose.

don't make me post my pic to prove you wrong.
4 or so pashtoons posted their pic in razi's thread and only one was as fair skinned. ew this sounds so gay and..bad.

Awans threads should be banned. we're who we are and are epicly comfortable in being who we are.

My new nickname for you troll is "Chittu"

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

then such fair skins are in abundance in photohar..dont see any difference eventhough nisar is choudry

This guy ch is actually a rajput from panjab, whose family settled in potohar, and took ch as surname.

I know a nephew of his who is an colleague.

 

[imranyounus]

T

Its not that simple. Yes arabs invaded this land but they were soldiers and did not brought their families in here. If we assume that these arab soldiers/preacher married with local Muslims women but what about generation born after such random inter-racial marriages? They were all locals married to each others i.e so is this change genetic of local people much? I am not expert of genetics but just using my common sense..

There is difference between melting in the local population and having accepted limited local population. these tribes have kept their desperate identity.
You cannot do this if you mingle too much with others.
Awans have accepted limited interaction with other tribes and this is the case even today. The trend may vary especially in punjab but in photohar and areas surrounding it it's still very strict tradition not to mix with other.

Such social restrictions are always result of old fierce tribal identity. So the mixing with others was and still is very limited.

 

[xairhossi]

This guy ch is actually a rajput from panjab, whose family settled in potohar, and took ch as surname.

I know a nephew of his who is an colleague.

He is Alpial, they are native to Potohar

This guy is Malik from south punjab, not sure about him being awan. He was brought up in USA and didn't had any clue when I asked him later on.

You said he was Awan, the south Punjab malik was different
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...le-ancestry-here&p=55012&viewfull=1#post55012

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He is Alpial, they are native to Potohar



You said he was Awan, the south Punjab malik was different
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...le-ancestry-here&p=55012&viewfull=1#post55012

According to them, their ancestor migrated in the 18th century to the region and not native to potohar.

 

[Kabira]

He is Alpial, they are native to Potohar



You said he was Awan, the south Punjab malik was different
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...le-ancestry-here&p=55012&viewfull=1#post55012

I later on contacted him to confirm his braderi and he didn't had any clue apart from Malik part. He was somewhere from south punjab, don't remember exact district now. Malik is title associated with awans in Kharian and initially I though he might be one. Either way he simply don't know, was brought up in USA.

Now I remember there was another awan I posted somewhere, he's not pure but definitely give idea of their genetics.

 

[xairhossi]

I later on contacted him to confirm his braderi and he didn't had any clue apart from Malik part. Also he was somewhere from south punjab, don't remember exact district now. Malik is title associated with awans in Kharian and initially I though he might be one.

I think if more Awans took genetic tests we would be clear about their origins. Even a slight West shift could indicate something.

 

[Kabira]

I think if more Awans took genetic tests we would be clear about their origins. Even a slight West shift could indicate something.

There is confirmed awan results somewhere on anthrogenica, its not pure but give general idea about their genetics.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

T

There is difference between melting in the local population and having accepted limited local population. these tribes have kept their desperate identity.
You cannot do this if you mingle too much with others.
Awans have accepted limited interaction with other tribes and this is the case even today. The trend may vary especially in punjab but in photohar and areas surrounding it it's still very strict tradition not to mix with other.

Such social restrictions are always result of old fierce tribal identity. So the mixing with others was and still is very limited.

You are confusing me further. Point is there might be interracial marriage intially between arabs inavaders/merchant/preachers and local native women but then children born in such marriages had no options but to marry with native people generation after generation so how its limited interaction unless you are suggesting that people born in interracial marraige just kept married with men or women of same tribe or race of invaders for many generations which was not the case so this racial purity is nothing but just myth

 

[xairhossi]

You are confusing me further. Point is there might be interracial marriage intially between arabs inavaders/merchant/preachers and local native women but then children born in such marriages had no options but to marry with native people generation after generation so how its limited interaction unless you are suggesting that people born in interracial marraige just kept married with men or women of same tribe or race of invaders for many generations which was not the case so this racial purity is nothing but just myth

I think Janjuas also claim descent from Hastinapur, Uttar Pradesh? Most peoples origin stories are not accurate anyways.