AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[MastanKhan]

No problem, buddy.

There were two concepts for the JH-7B: a conservative one that involved modest avionics, structural, engine, and electronics upgrades, and an ambitious one that involved redesigning the entire airframe with RCS reduction in mind. The former was selected to go into development and production, probably to siphon more funds towards the 5G programs.

Hi,

I think the B version would an extremely potent aircraft for Pakistan navy for one and off course for ground strike missions as well-----. It has a very good load capacity---it is not very exensive---and with all the needed upgrades---it will be a win win for pak military-----.

The JF 17 and F 16 are excellent aircrafts----but they don't carry the needed load----.

 

[Akasa]

Hi,

I think the B version would an extremely potent aircraft for Pakistan navy for one and off course for ground strike missions as well-----. It has a very good load capacity---it is not very exensive---and with all the needed upgrades---it will be a win win for pak military-----.

The JF 17 and F 16 are excellent aircrafts----but they don't carry the needed load----.

In reality, the touted JH-7B is simply a MLU of the JH-7A, but still a lethal jet nonetheless.

Here is a picture of the prototype:

If Pakistan is ever to take interest, then the jet should be purchased in tandem with the Mach-4, 400 km ranged YJ-12.

 

[cirr]

Hi @cirr
Is FC-31 an export designation or is it going to be Pakistan specific variant like FC-20?

Export designation。

The JH-7B and MiG-29K are completely different platforms, slated for different missions, and there is nothing to suggest that one is "inferior" to another.



Well, isn't that a shame; earlier estimates were 2015.

Never。It has always been end of 2015 or early 2016。

You’d probably love to know that the FC-31 prototype will come out equipped with a pair of newly-developed medium-thrust engines。

It is neither here nor there if this sort of thing gets delayed by a few months。

An interesting piece in which the 2nd paragraph concerns J-16，the 3rd J-15 and next generation carrier-borne fighter，and the 4th FC-31：

2006年，年仅40岁的王永庆接过了历史的重托和接力棒，成为中航工业沈阳所继黄志千、顾诵芬、李明、孙聪之后的第五任总设计师。面对世界航空武器装备技术的飞跃发展和国家对高性能武器装备的迫切需求，他带领团队在重点型号研制中创造了中国航空史上一个个奇迹，他负责的型号实现了从三代到四代、从陆地到海洋的历史性跨越，走上了自主创新的快速发展之路。

某型飞机是为满足空军战略转型需要、适应未来复杂作战环境而研制的新型战斗机，王永庆确定了以作战使用为牵引、以任务综合处理为核心等突出多用途作战能力的设计思想，决策应用新一代高性能传感器、新一代武器和新一代系统构架。面对技术体系难度跨度大、关键技术多、研制周期短等诸多困难，在对新技术和关键技术的研制、试验和验证方案进行充分论证后，他带领团队攻克先进传感器应用、系统优化集成、隐身技术工程化及飞机平台优化改进等设计关键中的难题，提高了飞机综合作战能力。

歼15飞机是我国第一代舰载战斗机，这是一项开疆拓域的伟大工程。作为该型号常务副总师，他精心组织飞机的研制工作。由于涉及重大技术关键多，难度极大，需要技术决策和跨行业协调的深度和广度前所未有。他组织团队集智攻关，全面突破了高增升气动布局、高承载结构和特殊机构、着舰轨迹控制、特殊环境适应性、舰面保障等多项关键技术，探索适于我国国情的舰载机设计、试验、试制、试飞流程，建立了我国舰载机完整的技术体系，为国家研制新一代舰载机积累了宝贵经验，带出了一支成熟的研制团队。歼15完美着舰后，他组织各参研单位技术力量在试飞现场，集中解决关键重大技术问题，同时对获得的飞行数据组织开展全面分析和处理，既保证了持续试飞，又获得了舰载机设计的有益探索与重大突破，为下一代舰载机的发展奠定了牢固基础。

“鹘鹰”飞机是沈阳所主导研发的全新机型，其研制打破了传统的研制模式。王永庆勇挑重担，组织开展了飞机总体、气动、隐身、结构多方案对比和优化，并确定机载系统的主要设计要求，勾画出一型性能优良、发展潜力巨大的飞机平台图像。在型号任务繁重、资源紧张的情况下，他果断抽调了大量技术骨干，组建了项目工作队；他深入一线，开展问题清理、研讨重大技术问题、部署技术工作、确定技术方案；全面加强与主机厂的业务协调，开展快速试制，解决周期紧张的矛盾。2014年，“鹘鹰”飞机亮相珠海航展，惊艳世人。

http://www.cannews.com.cn/epaper ... /story/534512.shtml

 

[salman-1]

China is also not inducting this jet in numbers till date even 100 or so are produced because the Spey engine it uses is of British origin and they don't get ample supply for that for their own use, unless a local derivative (in which they failed several times to reverse engineer the type) is produced it can't be exported. Other wise this plat form is designed to carry heavy loads and was produced in comparison to F-4 phantom as a strike aircraft it's a good choice as a long range bomber and can be a good replacement for 50 retired A-5 fighters squadrons

 

[Last Samuri]

So Pakistan are going to buy sixty to hundred f31 fifth generation fighters.

Fighters that cannot be seen.

And will gurantee paf air security .

Can somebody please confirm

How much is thus incredible tech costing.

Whose paying and when.

I'm intrigued India has ten times yes ten times the money of paf. Yet they can't afford even rafale fighter yet you guys without penny in your pocket literally will by pass fc20 abd get j31.

Incredible fantasy stuff

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

I think the B version would an extremely potent aircraft for Pakistan navy for one and off course for ground strike missions as well-----. It has a very good load capacity---it is not very exensive---and with all the needed upgrades---it will be a win win for pak military-----.

The JF 17 and F 16 are excellent aircrafts----but they don't carry the needed load----.

Do you think there is a chance PAF/PN might procure it? I kinda feel doubtful....they'd go for J-10 before considering the JH-7

 

[salman-1]

So Pakistan are going to buy sixty to hundred f31 fifth generation fighters.

Fighters that cannot be seen.

And will gurantee paf air security .

Can somebody please confirm

How much is thus incredible tech costing.

Whose paying and when.

I'm intrigued India has ten times yes ten times the money of paf. Yet they can't afford even rafale fighter yet you guys without penny in your pocket literally will by pass fc20 abd get j31.

Incredible fantasy stuff

FC-31 is a far off aircraft, it's still in the womb of Chinese aviation Industry. Delivery expected 4-5 years at least. If it ever succeeded to come to this world it would be a scisserion delivery in emergency to save the mother first.

 

[araz]

So Pakistan are going to buy sixty to hundred f31 fifth generation fighters.

Fighters that cannot be seen.

And will gurantee paf air security .

Can somebody please confirm

How much is thus incredible tech costing.

Whose paying and when.

I'm intrigued India has ten times yes ten times the money of paf. Yet they can't afford even rafale fighter yet you guys without penny in your pocket literally will by pass fc20 abd get j31.

Incredible fantasy stuff

Sir.
A pound from the Burnol off loaded to India will be delivered to your door step soon. Please apply generously to the burnt areas and rest. More importantly keep away from things that irritate your burn or are likely to cause further burns. Remember prevention is better than cure!!
I am being as nice to you as is possible. What Pakistan does or acquires is none of your business. fantasy story or reality only time will tell. Next time there is a moronic post from you I will not be so generous and you may end up losing that to which you apply the Burnol.
Take it as a friendly warning and advice. If you dont have anything positive( even criticism which is logical and relevant) to contribute then keep away or stay quiet.
Araz

Do you think there is a chance PAF/PN might procure it? I kinda feel doubtful....they'd go for J-10 before considering the JH-7

Personally i dont think there will be another type added to what we already have. The next acquisition is likely to be J31/similar iteration.
Araz

 

[Donatello]

Sir.
A pound from the Burnol off loaded to India will be delivered to your door step soon. Please apply generously to the burnt areas and rest. More importantly keep away from things that irritate your burn or are likely to cause further burns. Remember prevention is better than cure!!
I am being as nice to you as is possible. What Pakistan does or acquires is none of your business. fantasy story or reality only time will tell. Next time there is a moronic post from you I will not be so generous and you may end up losing that to which you apply the Burnol.
Take it as a friendly warning and advice. If you dont have anything positive( even criticism which is logical and relevant) to contribute then keep away or stay quiet.
Araz


Personally i dont think there will be another type added to what we already have. The next acquisition is likely to be J31/similar iteration.
Araz

yes, but we need another aircraft that can carry a payload of 6-8tonnes.......important for sea denial roles....now whether that is JH-7, Flanker or J-10....

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Hi,

Thank you for your post---. Supposedly the JH7B is not ready yet---the upgraded aircraft should be coming out this year.

Here is a link to 'someone's' post from awhile ago. Aesa is right at the top of the list---but even if it is not available---still it is an extremely potent strike platform---specially for naval missions.

JH-7B STEALTH STRIKE FIGHTER (new development)

Sir,
I remember some time back you said that an aircraft can not be stealth if it is not completely redesigned. This was in regards to JF-17 being modified to Stealth aircraft.

From the JH-7B Stealth Strike Fighter is also in the same category an old design how can this be stealth?

Sir F-15's & F-18's have been given some kind of stealth paint coat and some other features like enclosed weapons delivery pods etc... So it is also possible to do the same for JF-17's, JH-7B, FC-20 etc...

yes, but we need another aircraft that can carry a payload of 6-8tonnes.......important for sea denial roles....now whether that is JH-7, Flanker or J-10....

Sir,

The requirement of PN is a lot different hence a multi-engine aircraft is required. PN has been operating Mirage III's but they have a very reliable engine.

Initially when the PN requested for the permission to procure fighter aircraft they had requested J-15's but that was not approved and they were required to get the JF-17's. Now after the increased naval area PN does not know what to do and has increased the demands for more boats.

The visit of Army Chief to Russia where he saw the Mig-35 and showed interest. If some details are indeed sent and some briefing is given by Russia then it might be clearer if these Mig-35's could be bought. Most probably on very favorable terms as the company that manufactures Migs is almost bankrupt.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir,
I remember some time back you said that an aircraft can not be stealth if it is not completely redesigned. This was in regards to JF-17 being modified to Stealth aircraft.

From the JH-7B Stealth Strike Fighter is also in the same category an old design how can this be stealth?

Sir F-15's & F-18's have been given some kind of stealth paint coat and some other features like enclosed weapons delivery pods etc... So it is also possible to do the same for JF-17's, JH-7B, FC-20 etc...
.

Hi,

You need to read that post---the link and the other post that were written in context to it----.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Hi,

You need to read that post---the link and the other post that were written in context to it----.

Sir, I have read the thread and then quoted the above post.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir, I have read the thread and then quoted the above post.

OK,

The link about the 'stealth' part was posted by someone else---. JH7B is not a stealth aircraft----that was a suggested design option which was never carried out----.

 

[Zhukov]

lol... And so Islamabad. .

Dear Islamabad is 5429 feet above sea level covered by mountains. Anti Aircraft systems mounted on Margalla hills covering Islamabad will not make it any easy for any incoming plane. Plus All defence industry of Pakistan is also carefully establishment in secured areas where land invasion is almost impossible and Air strikes is mighty difficult. You should read geography of Islamabad, Abbotabad, Kamra etc.
Unless our foe have a significant technological edge that our systems cannot detect at all or their is a diplomatic issue that we cannot respond to aggression, Their is nothing in Indian arsenal that can threaten Islamabad and vicinity military establishments except nukes and missiles and i am sure folks in Delhi are sane enough to not touch those to turn a small skirmish into a nuclear war because Pakistan will respond in kind.
I don't see that in case of Delhi which is a plain and valunerable area like our Lahore and other plain cities.

 

[danger007]

Dear Islamabad is 5429 feet above sea level covered by mountains. Anti Aircraft systems mounted on Margalla hills covering Islamabad will not make it any easy for any incoming plane. Plus All defence industry of Pakistan is also carefully establishment in secured areas where land invasion is almost impossible and Air strikes is mighty difficult. You should read geography of Islamabad, Abbotabad, Kamra etc.
Unless our foe have a significant technological edge that our systems cannot detect at all or their is a diplomatic issue that we cannot respond to aggression, Their is nothing in Indian arsenal that can threaten Islamabad and vicinity military establishments except nukes and missiles and i am sure folks in Delhi are sane enough to not touch those to turn a small skirmish into a nuclear war because Pakistan will respond in kind.
I don't see that in case of Delhi which is a plain and valunerable area like our Lahore and other plain cities.

hahaha::.. whereas Delhi is defenceless. . and PAF can fly .. i admired your capability of assumption. . you take out our defence network just like that...