Avalanche traps about 150 Pakistani soldiers

[VCheng]

salt has limited effectiveness on ice such deep and compact..
its effective for roads and thin ice.
Plus as the above comment says..wont work at -40 anyway.

Salt is not effective below -15C, and other chemicals for lower temperatures are much more expensive, not to mention not widely feasible in the area of recovery.

Given the distance where some items have been discovered, it would not be unexpected if the personnel being sought are spread over a wide area, since different layers of the avalanche would have moved at different rates, thus churning its contents in unpredictable ways.

This is going to be a long and difficult recovery operation for sure.

 

[Safriz]

Salt is not effective below -15C, and other chemicals for lower temperatures are much more expensive, not to mention not widely feasible in the area of recovery.

Given the distance where some items have been discovered, it would not be unexpected if the personnel being sought are spread over a wide area, since different layers of the avalanche would have moved at different rates, thus churning its contents in unpredictable ways.

This is going to be a long and difficult recovery operation for sure.

and the long lasting effect of using chemicals in such fragile area are unknown...

 

[VCheng]

and the long lasting effect of using chemicals in such fragile area are unknown...

True, but the recovery is needed NOW, while those effects can be studies and/or minimized LATER.

 

[Safriz]

 

[VCheng]

They have a time window of only a few short weeks before heavier snowfall inevitably returns to make the job impossibly difficult. I hope they can achieve their goals of locating their colleagues well before then, and indeed as soon as possible.

 

[Safriz]

change in strategy since yesterday..
no more tunneling...nowthe whole glacier is being dug up.
yesterday they found equipment belonging to the soldiers and it caused change of strategy

 

[Jango]

change in strategy since yesterday..
no more tunneling...nowthe whole glacier is being dug up.
yesterday they found equipment belonging to the soldiers and it caused change of strategy

Makes sense. The impact might have shifted the whole area. Evident by the fact that some things were found 600 meters away from the site.

 

[VCheng]

change in strategy since yesterday..
no more tunneling...nowthe whole glacier is being dug up.
yesterday they found equipment belonging to the soldiers and it caused change of strategy

The "whole" glacier? That is well nigh impossible. Even the whole avalanche is a huge task given the resources.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

The "whole" glacier? That is well nigh impossible. Even the whole avalanche is a huge task given the resources.

It's certainly the area (1kilometer square) that is involved by the avalanche.The rest of the part has nothing to do with that tragedy.

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Heck! if we require the whole glacier to melt to get our sons back ............we will.

 

[VCheng]

It's certainly the area (1kilometer square) that is involved by the avalanche.The rest of the part has nothing to do with that tragedy.

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Heck! if we require the whole glacier to melt to get our sons back ............we will.

1 square kilometer with an average depth of 100 meters would be 100 million cubic meters of debris. Even an average depth of 10 meters would be 10 million cubic meters of material.

To remove (or melt) such a volume will require some serious resources.

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1 square kilometer is 1,000 meters each side. 1,000 meters x 1,000 meters x 100 meters = 100,000,000 cubic meters.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

1 square kilometer with an average depth of 100 meters would be 100 million cubic meters of debris. Even an average depth of 10 meters would be 10 million cubic meters of material.

To remove (or melt) such a volume will require some serious resources.

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1 square kilometer is 1,000 meters each side. 1,000 meters x 1,000 meters x 100 meters = 100,000,000 cubic meters.

Then the resources should be provided ,will you not agree?

Let's keep on calculating the ice volume and present it before a determined nation.If that can shatter their will to some extent.

What do you say?

"No signs of life"doesn't give me the courage to leave the men behind or disgrace and dishonor the dead.


But the whole process must not lead us to another tragedy.And there should be no loss of life in it.

 

[VCheng]

Then the resources should be provided ,will you not agree?................

The resources needed to remove tens of millions of cubic meters of compacted glacial moraine rubble at 13,000 feet in a narrow mountain valley are not small or cheap or quick.

Having said that, I do understand the resolve of trying to provide said resources.

 

[Safriz]

its juzt that now they are no more tunneling...probably now they have stopoed looking for survovirs and stopped careful tunneling.
insteas they are now digging it as a landslide with heavy machinery.

 

[A1Kaid]

You can add Norway to the list of nations that have sent an expert team to Pakistan in avalanche operation.

AFP: Pakistan avalanche search hampered by toxic gases

 

[Safriz]

Day 14: Siachen avalanche took less than 5 seconds, says WAPDA – The Express Tribune

SIACHEN: According to the Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA), the avalanche took less than five seconds to wreak havoc on the unfortunate soldiers posted at Gayari, as intimated by its hydrological experts on Saturday.