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Austria passes legislation banning use of face veils, distribution of Qur'an

Yes Ottomans were an imperial empire and they did some bad things as you would expect from an imperial empire. While those things cannot be justified, and frankly some of their practices should be condemned, the Ottomans were not the first and certainly not the last imperial empire that did such things.

Going by your reasoning..
What about all those European based Christian and pre-Christian empires (Romans,Byzantines etc.) that are considered to have done "great things"-as in, invaded raped, conquered and pillaged Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands. ....but this is great to you....when middle easterners/central Asians fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is christian(european) hypocrisy 1 on 1.
Except that the Romans invaded all of the rest of Europe, for the most part, first.

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The Caliphate, 622–750
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Byzantine Empire aka Eastern Roman Empire, the continuation of the Roman Empire in the East during Late Antiquity
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Ottoman Empire
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Yes Ottomans were an imperial empire and they did some bad things as you would expect from an imperial empire. While those things cannot be justified, and frankly some of their practices should be condemned, the Ottomans were not the first and certainly not the last imperial empire that did such things.

Going by your reasoning..
What about all those European based Christian and pre-Christian empires (Romans,Byzantines etc.) that are considered to have done "great things"-as in, invaded raped, conquered and pillaged Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands. ....but this is great to you....when middle easterners/central Asians fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is christian(european) hypocrisy 1 on 1.
There were no Muslims when the Byzantine were defending themselves against the Muslim barbarism and terrorism
 
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Its not like they have a problem with "Crusaders" going out on a war in Middle east... I think if they start to have a problem like this they will ban bible to ...

Well they have been going out on a war in Middle east, though they don't use the word "Crusaders" anymore :rolleyes:

The difference is, that our empires were creative. While Ottoman was only destructive

Well all empires can be considered "creative" to one extent or another, but that is not the point.
By saying that "Ottoman was only destructive" it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

There were no muslims in Roman /Byzantine ascendency times.The lines between Europe /ME were not those of today.Neither do most European societies today gloryfi the colonial past.

Yes thats why i wrote Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands like you wrote Christian lands.So they were not Muslim yet, they were Middle Eastern, African, just like you are European yes?

So now you say the lines between Europe /ME were not those of today in a poor attempt to make it seem the European "invaded raped, conquered and pillaged" is somehow not as bad as the ottoman "invaded raped, conquered and pillaged".
At least you tacitly admit that your own European empires were no better in the "invaded raped, conquered and pillaged" department than you accuse Ottomans of.
 
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It would be much more effective to monitor mosques and Islamic clerics. Mosques that spread extremist propaganda should be raided and people that are associated with those places should be tracked
 
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why blasphemy laws only protects Islam and not other religions?
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@WAJsal @waz Jihad Watch is not allowed on pdf if i can remember correctly
 
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A legislation against a small community.Even doing this wont effect much as Islam is already spreading as the fastest spreading religion in Europe.
 
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A legislation against a small community.Even doing this wont effect much as Islam is already spreading as the fastest spreading religion in Europe.

Thats wrong. Atheism is spreading far bigger. Also you are wrong in another aspect. Migrants arent european. And never will be.

We all know how this will end. Like it always did.
 
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Thats wrong. Atheism is spreading far bigger. Also you are wrong in another aspect. Migrants arent european. And never will be.

We all know how this will end. Like it always did.

No you do not know how this will end.

Stop hating and learn to live with diversity.
 
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No you do not know how this will end.

Stop hating and learn to live with diversity.

I know how it will end. Diversity means death. There is no diversity. I dont hate. I fight what i see as danger. I fight for my future. for my nations future and my peoples future.

We make great sucess with that in Italy. You know our laws regarding all this.

In the big scale and the small scale.

https://www.rt.com/news/361111-italy-liguria-mosques-law/

I would advice anyone to not try any provocations here. It could end bad.
 
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Well I agree with the full face veil, but how will banning the public distribution work exactly? For example, if I invite a non Muslim to my house in Austria, and then give him the Holy Qur'an. Would that still be legal?

Although I agree, Austria has all the right to legislate how they wish, can someone explain, logically, how banning the distribution of the Holy Qur'an will help integration? And also, did the government legislate on what they define as integration? Surely they must have set a standard they wish migrants to adhere to, especially when they were thinking of these laws?

I know how it will end. Diversity means death. There is no diversity. I dont hate. I fight what i see as danger. I fight for my future. for my nations future and my peoples future.

We make great sucess with that in Italy. You know our laws regarding all this.

In the big scale and the small scale.

https://www.rt.com/news/361111-italy-liguria-mosques-law/

I would advice anyone to not try any provocations here. It could end bad.

Ironic. When Gaddafi was warning Europe that his departure would lead to a flood gate of migrants opening on Europe, no one heeded him and actively sought to remove him. Now what he says has come through, surely it would be better if you pressurize your government to stop increasing the catalyst of destruction on their own continent by meddling in other countries and supporting terrorists there?
 
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You see,"Ottomans did great things"-as in,invaded, raped,conquered and pillaged Christian lands. ....but this is great to you....when Europeans fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is muslim hypocrisy 1 on 1

even you generals praised suleyman the magnificent during his reign.he was very close to rome but unfortunately died during a siege.this is not over yet.you have all the lost territory today but who knows what will happen tomorrow! whenever an army attacks any country, innocents always die.same is true for every nation and not just for ottomans.you hate ottomans because they were very close.
 
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Thats wrong. Atheism is spreading far bigger. Also you are wrong in another aspect. Migrants arent european. And never will be.

We all know how this will end. Like it always did.
True ! Only the ending matters.But this ending wont suit Europeans because if you can rob countries and make them colonies,same can happen to you !
 
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How is this relevant? im responding to this guy talking about why Muslims cant criticise this law. I dont personally care what restrictions are put down, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims should automatically have their opinions disregarded.

Democracy is after all "The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life"



Are you being serious?

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, which in case you forgot means that the state is run by a single ruler with supreme authority and absolute power.

Iran is a theocracy, which in case you forgot means a state which uses religion as the source of its legislature and religious courts to interpret all laws. Irans constitution states that: "all civil, penal, financial, economic, administrative, cultural, military, political, and other laws and regulations must be based on Islamic criteria."

Austria is a parliamentary republic, which in case you forgot is a state where the country is ruled by an elected legislative assembly, and which is accountable to its laws and people.

If Austria makes a law restricting the rights of Muslims, then they should be free to voice their concerns. Are Austrian Muslims not Austrian? are they also not allowed to criticise because a Muslim country on the other side of the world is doing the same thing?



Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, that's why. The state runs itself on the basis of Islam, and provides a bias towards the religion in all matters.

Using your own logic; its very strange an Indian questioning minority rights in other countries when mobs are destroying churches and mosques in your own.



Blasphemy Laws apply to all religions. You defile a temple then you can get charged, you make derogatory remarks about Christianity then you can get charged.

You are beating around the bush. The charge is simple - a lot of tears are shed about treatment of Muslims and their rights in other countries but no effort made to reciprocate within Muslim-majority nations. Outlining various forms of government will not gloss over that.
 
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True ! Only the ending matters.But this ending wont suit Europeans because if you can rob countries and make them colonies,same can happen to you !

No it cant. We have the absolute scientific and technological superiority in evry field.

If shit hits the fan all that it would take is a recombinant virus. So i see this relative relaxed.
 
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